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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>No longer listed in the auction links?
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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>Dan,<br />Thats a very good question! Leon?
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Posted By: <b>Chris Bland</b><p>That seems odd - whats up?
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Since REA's blog doesn't have a link to Net54, which is by far the best place to talk about vintage cards on the net, I felt it appropriate to reciprocate. That is all.....best regards
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Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>huh?<br /><br />With all due respect Leon, as I think you do a marvelos job moderating this board, I really do not understand your rationale for making this decision. I assume this board is for the users to talk about cards and have easy access to sites, auction houses, dealers, etc. Just because an auction did not promote this site means we should not have an easy access link to them? That does not really seem like a positive, board friendly move. I naturally only speak for myself, but that response sounds vindictive and arbitrary and hardly in the spirit of what this board is supposed to be about. REA is a class operation, and Rob Lfison is a hobby icon, I simply do not agree, nor really understand the stance you are taking here.<br /><br />Disclosure - I have no financial or personal interest in REA.<br /><br />Rob
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Posted By: <b>John Basilone</b><p>Rob wrote:<br /><br />"I assume this board is for the users to talk about cards and have easy access to sites, auction houses, dealers, etc. "<br /><br /><br /><img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Matthew</b><p>Is it April 1st?<br /><br />Couple of thoughts<br /><br />1. Maybe REA should be more like H&S and they could get 2 links.<br /><br />2. Are all auction houses with no link to Net54 now banned?<br /><br /> <a href="http://www.lelands.com/relatedLinks.aspx" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.lelands.com/relatedLinks.aspx</a><br /><br /><br />3.Seems to me that the fine line is being gradually blurred.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />EDITED TO ADD -- Why not put this to a vote.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I have never won anything from those 3 houses, but I am on their mailing lists. <br />
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Posted By: <b>Dan</b><p>I agree with Rob!
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I agree too.<br /><br />Lets take down the ones who have admitted to altering cards in the past.<br /><br />If anyone should have a link it should by Rob.
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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Leon- so you're saying that EVERY company that you have provided a link for on your "vintage links" page, has a link for Net54 on their site, as well?<br />
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Posted By: <b>ScottIngold</b><p>Wow.....Usually i agree with you Leon.<br /><br />But is this tit for tat ? Is it because of competition ? Meaning another advertiser would prefer them gone.<br /><br />Not good. Amongst the auction house's in the banner ad's. I believe REA has everyone's trust.<br /><br />Can't say that about the proverbial 800lb gorilla.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Deleted
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>www.robertedwardauctions.com
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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>I agree with the previous posts--the REA link should be included. Omitting the link does not benefit users of this board.
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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Still in the Auction links section, but dead:<br /><br />www.baseballvintage.com<br />www.vintageauthenticsauctions.com<br /><br />Also, Huggins and Scott gets two links for no reason. <br /><br />So does Heritage, because "Slater's Americana" -- whatever that was -- is now linked to Heritage.<br /><br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Ben</b><p>There had to be an ulterior motive here.
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Posted By: <b>Marty Ogelvie</b><p><P>Does any regular poster here actually go to the vintage links page to find links to auction houses??? </P><P>A link from the Net54 boards to REA does more for search engine ranking than giving visitors here an easy path to their web site. </P><P>I am assuming there used to be a link from REA to this board that was removed for some reason or there was an agreement between Leon and REA to place such a link but the REA link was never placed. I think we should give Leon the benefit of the doubt before we start demanding the link be restored.</P><br><br>martyOgelvie<br />nyyankeecards.com
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Posted By: <b>Chris Bland</b><p>"Does any regular poster here actually go to the vintage links page to find links to auction houses???" <br /><br />Then get rid of the auction section.<br /><br />I found Mastro and all the other auction houses too long before there were links or advertising - thats not the point.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I use the vintage links page all the time--keeps me from having to remember everyones website address.
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Posted By: <b>Tom Nieves</b><p>I support the removal of the link.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Bruce MacPherson</b><p>"There had to be an ulterior motive here."<br /><br />Well, REA did take a shot at this board/Leon in his blog referencing industry links. However, I agree with most in that I would like to see the link back. I do actually use this site to link to the auctions rather than having to bookmark 10-15 sites.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>It would be ironic to say the least if the Auction House with the best reputation among collectors was the only one excluded.
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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>I think the real question we all should be asking right about now is: Where is the link to those great CubanBaseballCards.com auctions?<br /><br />-Ryan<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>I can't see how people are defending this move as a positive thing.<br /><br />There is always talk about how new people are coming to this board all the time for knowledge and information about vintage cards. REA is a walking example of that and it's wrong to exclude them. Personal matter(s) should not affect how the board is run as a whole.
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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Tom - you should put back what you posted - it helped me understand why the removal of the link makes sense.
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Guys,<br /><br />Usually I'll side with Leon, but in this situation, he's going to have to come up with a better reason than the one he gave us.<br /><br />I'm sure that Net54 members believe that we are the board for pre-war cards. If that is the case then they need to associate with the best auction houses and having links to their websites is a start.<br /><br />Peter C.
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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>"Forum Owner"<br /><br />Now boys (since Joann hasn't chimed in) that says it all for me. With a flip of a switch all of us could be back to work without this place to engage in the discussion of vintage baseball cards.<br /><br />I'm with Tom on this one. Short memories abound around here.<br /><br />And as for bookmarks, come on now, group all of the auction sites under one heading. I personally would find it a little unwieldy to have to come here for an auction link when I already have all of them bookmarked.<br /><br />As a postscript, I do however find it a little ironic that at least one poster to this thread who has a website link under Vintage Links does not have a link back to this site.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I support Leon on this one and I'm both an REA supporter and consider myself a friend of Rob.
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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>My first instinct is to say "all right" the link is gone that makes it more difficult for others to find the auction. But something's just not right with that. <br /><br />I think that the link should be restored. Yes, this bull board is arguably THE best resource for collectors of vintage cards but I don't think that the lack of a link to OUR website (on their part) deserves for their link to be removed. This is a RESOURCE for information. Removing them removes an important resource.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Steve,<br /><br />You may have them bookmarked but for thoswe that are less tech savvy like me I don't know what a bookmark is and I rely of centralized listings to find things.<br /><br />Jeff,<br /><br />Why?
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Posted By: <b>Mark L</b><p>I would prefer that the link be restored so that the board could provide a full range of public serives to us members. But as long as someone alerts the group when the catalogs are out and the auction is running, I don't think anyone will suffer any loss with this.
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Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>Can some one tell me what this "feud" is about?
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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>I'm with Leon, Tom, Steve, and Jeff.<br /><br />At this point in time Leon's action is fine with me.
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Posted By: <b>1880nonsports</b><p><a href="http://s210975194.onlinehome.us/blog/?p=16" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://s210975194.onlinehome.us/blog/?p=16</a><br /><br />Take note of the section on the suggested "links" to only ONE card chat site due to concerns that the "other" sites (I imagine this one to be included) were possibly subject to editing or self-serving interests.........
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Posted By: <b>CN</b><p> I agree with Leon on this one. He runs the board and I am sure he made his decision with good reason.CN
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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>I could give a rat's ass whose links are up there or not. Most of them get enough PR by sending endless emails and mailings and they can certainly afford to pay for advertising to promote their enterprises.
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Posted By: <b>Chris Bland</b><p>message deleted.
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Guys,<br /><br />I'm satisfied with what Leon has told us so far. Also, since I never win anything in REA auctions, it really doesn't make much of a difference to me personally.<br /><br />Peter C.
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Posted By: <b>DJ</b><p>I'm in 100% agreement with Leon here. It's his Board and if he is supporting someone with free publicity and that person for some reason refuses to repay the favor with a link of their own, screw them. I would feel a bit insulted as well. Leave the Moderator alone.<br /><br />There is way too much being made about this. Is it really that important? I mean really? How about bookmarking their auctions or staying abreast of the latest news with their e-mails.<br /><br />DJ
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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>I also support Leon's decision in this instance.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Its not that people can't markbook or whatever its called--REA is a leading auction house; Rob has been in the forefront of trying to promote positive change when it comes to the practices of other auction houses; it seems Net 54 should go out of its way to accomodate him by at the very least listing his auction site.<br /><br />I am not an anti-Leon guy-for example I think he should try to make even more money than he is off of this board--but there is a difference between right and wrong here--and this is just fundamentally wrong.<br /><br />Net54 does not remove Mastronet when they flat out admit that they alter cards yet REA is removed because he does not list Net54??? It cannot be.
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Posted By: <b>ramramram</b><p>Here ya go everybody:<br /><br />REA link - <a href="http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/</a><br /><br />Now, we've got that settled...then let's move on. This is Leon's deal. <br /><br />Rob M.<br /><br />P.S. Anybody that has read this far through this thread has too much time on their hands.
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Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>I have bought from Leon and REA and only have positive things to say. <br />They both have web sites and are easy to find. I don't see the need for a link.<br />I thought everybody bookmarked the sites (vintage links) they needed.
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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>Is there a link to Net54 on Luckeycards.com?
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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p><<Take note of the section on the suggested "links" to only ONE card chat site due to concerns that the "other" sites (I imagine this one to be included) were possibly subject to editing or self-serving interests.........>><br /><br />Seems like removing the link is making this statement more reality than fantasy.
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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>East Coast / West Coast rappers thing.........<br />Notorious REA.....versus.....Tobacco-Pac.....<br /><br />Okay, I've had too much coffee today.....<br /><br />My vote would be to keep the link. Given the discussions on the REA blog though I could see how it would have been removed.....<br /><br />Ultimately, que sera sera..........<br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>oh well, i will miss rea's sponsored chicken/beef fajitas at the national dinners.<br /><br />serious question...will future rea's threads/topics also be deleted?<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>At last count I think that Rob (REA) has 63.785% of the active email addresses of the world, excluding those registered in Wales, Angola and I believe, Congo. Everyone will know when Rob (REA) has something to auction or has one of his manifestos to impart upon us. <br /><br />As suggested, I guess this is fair warning for everyone who reads the board to bookmark REA's site on their own computers. I support Leon's decision to remove the link.<br /><br />Anyone here want to be moderator for a day? I think you should cut him some slack.<br /><br />Greg
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Jim C., email sent how to do bookmarks, it's quite easy.<br /><br />I support Leon.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Peter-<br /><br />Surprise Surprise.<br /><br />Could people suck up any more?
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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Jim - did you get my email?
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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>Leon,<br />As the first poster to this thread and knowing what I do know I wanted to see how you were going to address this issue. I do find your posted reason a little bit strange. You know I like both of you but to take this kind of stance is as it was put is "FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG". If the reason is what you said it was and quote " I felt it appropriate to reciprocate" then I think you should go and take a look at the others also. Not all of them have a link or blog to the Net54 site. Or am I missing something? Rob at least does make a mention to the site I believe thru the Mears reference on his blog. In My Opinion (and dont get me wrong ) I think you do a great job on the Forum and how most issues are handled here but to do this in the way you did I truely believe this is beneath you.Money aside paid or not paid REA I.E. Rob Lifson does provide a great wealth of knowledge to almost every collector who frequents this board! And Leon I would say that also if it was Bill Mastro or any other one of your auction house supporters. I really feel you should re consider your position.
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Jim, not sucking up, I happen to know some of the back story and feel the action is appropriate in light of that.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Peter,<br /><br />I am taking Leon at his word for the reason REA is not listed--tit for tat.<br /><br />Thanks but I don't want to bookend--just want to go to 1 page and see them all listed.<br /><br />Matt,<br /><br />No--I am at work--you probably sent it to my home e-mail.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Jim lol it's "bookmark" not "bookend". Now that you are posting such great scans that feigned computer ignorance rings hollow!! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Peter,<br /><br />My scanning is not good either--I cannot for the life of me figure out how to use that scanning service; My larger cards won't scan and I run out of space regularly....and I wouldn't know a bookmark from a bookend if I tripped over it.
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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />All due respect, but how is it you get to this site and CU's site when you were posting there? Do you use the Net54 links to go to the various auction sites to bid? <br /><br />Not trying to pick a fight just trying to understand why this is such a big deal. I understand you support Rob and you are one of many who he seems to have in his corner.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Greg
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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>Just a few points on the issue of the link itself:<br /><br />I find the auctions links to be a helpful index for the various auction houses and use them frequently when I don't feel like typing the names. So from that standpoint, they are useful for me and for other N54 members. <br /><br />My (limited) understanding of how internet search engines work is that click-throughs and cross-references to other sites do help elevate a site's rating, so it is in the best ($$) interest of a web site with advertising revenue and a large link database to leave as many pertinent links in place as it can. I think better search engine results would only help the board members by bringing in more participants. Personally,, I would love it if every vintage collector made it to this site; the more the merrier when it comes to playing with old baseball cards...<br /><br />The vintage links aren't paid advertising; they don't generate $$ in and of themselves. They are a resource for the community. Ad money has nothing to do with Leon's decisionmaking on the link. <br /><br />We participate in the board; Leon owns it. It is a dictatorship and Leon is the main dic. He has the right to decide what does and does not go on here. If you don't care for that fact of life, move on to another site.
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Posted By: <b>paulstratton</b><p>So Rob now supports cockfighting(however indirectly) instead of sponsoring chicken dinners? Ironic.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Greg,<br /><br />I go to my favorite site--Lets Talk Sportscards-- and they have links for Net54, CU and about 100 other sites.<br /><br />In my world Greg there is always a fundamentally right thing and a fundamentally wrong thing. Altering cards is always wrong--period end of story. Not listing REA is wrong. It doesn't matter if there are other ways of getting around it and if I bookend I can get there. that all misses the point of right and wrong.<br /><br />I always saw you as a fundamentally right or wrong guy--look at what you did to try to expose all the trimmers out there. You did it not to help your business--it undoubtedly hurt it--you did it because it was the right thing to do.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>ScottIngold</b><p>Damn cockfighting again........<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Marty Ogelvie</b><p>If its Fundamentally Wrong for Leon to remove the REA link here then is it also Fundamentally Wrong for REA not to link here?<br><br>martyOgelvie<br />nyyankeecards.com
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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Thanks for the reply. <br /><br />I am not commenting on the right or wrong aspects of the hobby and where I feel Rob or REA belongs on that scale. As you know I have been involved in the hobby mostly as a dealer since 1989 and have been privy to some of the darker sides of the industry. Altered cards making it into holders and getting by graders is not the only act of deceit that is practiced in the hobby.<br /><br />My point was to show support to Leon's decision to remove the link based on what I know of the situation. I will also support Rob by bidding in his auction and consigning to him when and if I have things that are suitable. <br /><br />Take care!<br /><br />Greg
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Posted By: <b>John H.</b><p>"Guys,<br /><br />Usually I'll side with Leon, but in this situation, he's going to have to come up with a better reason than the one he gave us.<br /><br />I'm sure that Net54 members believe that we are the board for pre-war cards. If that is the case then they need to associate with the best auction houses and having links to their websites is a start.<br /><br />Peter C."<br /><br />************************************************* ***********************************************<br /><br />"Guys,<br /><br />I'm satisfied with what Leon has told us so far. Also, since I never win anything in REA auctions, it really doesn't make much of a difference to me personally.<br /><br />Peter C."<br /><br />************************************************* ***********************************************<br /><br />Huh??? Did I miss a startling revelation that caused Peter to change his mind?<br /><br />John<br />
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>I noticed both Peter C's comments as well....was waiting to see if anyone else would catch that. What in the world Peter??
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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>John, Dave F.,<br /><br />Politicians refer to this type of thinking as "a versatility of conviction." It's pretty common inside of the DC beltway. Less so in San Francisco.
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Posted By: <b>Marty Ogelvie</b><p><P>LOL</P><P>That was a quick flip flop. I had to go back and make sure I didn't miss Leon adding to his original post after reading Peter's 2nd post. Perhaps Peter is practicing for a run at public office.</P><br><br>martyOgelvie<br />nyyankeecards.com
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Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>Picked uo on that too. Since there were no postings from Leon between Peter C's two posts, unless he received a private email from Leon, it's bizarre. So what else is new?
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Perhaps someone emailed Peter with the "inside" information about what really has happened?<br /><br />But hey....nothing like piling on.... so go ahead and carry on.
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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>As Walt Whitman said (I hope I get it right) "Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself. I am vast, I contain multitudes."
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>There was no startling revelation. It's just that reciprocity is important in the business world. If Leon was letting REA have a link on this website for free and REA won't reciprocate, then there's no reason for Leon to continue having the REA link. Just that simple.<br /><br />Peter C.
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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>In a non-Euclidean world governed by the Tao of Chao, A and not A are not opposites. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>and bianary is 00 or 11 but never 01
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Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>"There was no startling revelation. It's just that reciprocity is important in the business world. If Leon was letting REA have a link on this website for free and REA won't reciprocate, then there's no reason for Leon to continue having the REA link. Just that simple."<br /><br />Except that more than an hour and a half after Leon posted his reciprocity explanation, you said he would "have to come up with a better reason than the one he gave us."
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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>the board has picked a fine time to expect Chaoism to be logical...
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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Once again there is no such thing as Chaoism. All I did was give more weight to Leon's reasons and change my mind.<br /><br />Peter C.
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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>Leon,<br />Having just been "brought up to speed" about this whole issue. I to want to say I now respect the decision you made and why you made it. I do hope some time in the future something works out because BOTH of you are very good people and an asset to the hobby.
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Posted By: <b>ScottIngold</b><p>Chaoism......Thats funny. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter,<br /><br />Have you bought or dealt with Rob before ?
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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Well it certainly doesn't seem like the missing link is at all about anyone's ability to get to REA's web site - so anything related to not being able to find it, or that someone should be able to bookmark, or whatever seems off-center to me. It's not about being able to get to their site via link from here.<br /><br />It's about what the board is, and the polictics of it.<br /><br />I think in a perfect world this would be an open and independent resource to the vintage card collecting world, and as such the link would be included. On that theoretical and idealistic basis, I think it should be.<br /><br />But it's not just that we aren't linked on the REA site. Leon put it that way probably as an attempt to be as neutral as possible, but it was an understatement to say the least.<br /><br />Many of us got the email a few weeks ago from REA talking about hobby resources and links. Not only was this board not included, but it was very publicly, pointedly and intentionally not included. I thought it was clear that the email went out of it's way - almost to the point of awkwardness - to exclude this site. I was very surprised there wasn't more comment on that. <br /><br />Whether there is or isn't a back story or whether you know it or not or whatever, I thought the email alone was an intentional and public slap in the face to this board and to Leon. Although it purported to give some vaguely objective reasons for the omission - conflicted interests, etc - it seemed clear that the intent was to promote the other board at the expense of this one. <br /><br />So who can blame Leon for taking it down? I don't blame him one bit. I still like to live in ideal-land and think it would be nice to have it still included. But when someone as big and influential as REA goes out of their way to publicly say you suck, basically, even under the guise of complimenting someone else - well, you owe that person no favors.<br /><br />By the way, I've bought from REA in the past and enjoy their auctions each year. I think they are a fine organization. I was even a bit surprised to see the email used to give what I thought was a very public insult to this board. But that doesn't mean I dislike REA - just that I disagreed with that particular action.<br /><br />Joann <br /><br />
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