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thetahat 08-31-2025 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2536253)
I too am drawn to finding pennants with unfaded paint. Then I worry that the paint will fade unless I keep them buried in the dark. I was a bit baffled by this pennant that I posted last month, with clearly faded felt and seemingly unfaded pink under the seal. I guess the half-life for pink is much longer than green.

That is interesting … I too have seen badly faded felt with bright paint colors.

Great pennant by the way … also clearly Trench.

Domer05 08-31-2025 11:36 AM

Unfortunately, we're dealing with three different mediums here: (1) there's the dye used to color the felt; (2) there's the secondary coloring that is paint; however, it's not screen printer's ink; nor is it applied via the screen printing method. It's airbrushed on top of (3) the white underbase, which is the only part of the pennant made from ink and screened on.

These dyes were never intended to last more than a year or two. By the 1950s, most makers were no longer using wool in their felt. (Most we're going with cotton felt; and others were experimenting with woven fabrics like brushed flannel.) I'm not sure whether the felt composition affected the dye's hardiness, but the point is: pennant makers were using the cheapest fabrics available. They were never intended to hold up against UV light exposure.

The paint was applied to the pennant rather hastily, post-printing. We've talked about this before, but this was probably the biggest variable in the entire manufacturing process--more so than printing, cutting, and sewing. Sometimes the paint went where it was intended. Other times, not so much.

Greg, your point about the green fields tending to fade is valid. I don't know why green would perform poorer than others.... Maybe because the green field areas were the biggest swath to be painted, and so the ink was thinnest on such spots?

Lastly, the ink. In the 1950s, the white underbase was made from lead. Lead was added to improve the opacity of the ink. As a result, the ink/underbase seems to be the most durable part of the pennant. That's good for us collectors today; but, bad or those kids that took these souvenirs home, waved them in their brothers' faces, giving lil' Johnny lead poisoning. :eek:

Great pennant, Greg. Now, make sure you display that one behind some UV-coated glass!

Vintagedeputy 08-31-2025 08:29 PM

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Here is the pennant with the odd grey tag that I mentioned last week. I did not bid on it because as usual, people bid it up over the course of a week. Drives me insane when people do that.

Kzoo 09-01-2025 10:48 AM

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Guys..........I picked up this old White Sox pennant yesterday at a local antique show. It's very soft, is full size, is faded, and has 3 corner holes, but it's not in Mike Egner's pennant book. I'm guessing 1930's era? Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks!

thetahat 09-01-2025 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kzoo (Post 2536463)
Guys..........I picked up this old White Sox pennant yesterday at a local antique show. It's very soft, is full size, is faded, and has 3 corner holes, but it's not in Mike Egner's pennant book. I'm guessing 1930's era? Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks!

Matt,

1940s era, vintage, pretty rare, likely made by a company called WGN, in this condition probably $50-85 in auction. A near pristine version could almost double that. Just an educated guess. It is a rather cool design.

UKCardGuy 09-01-2025 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2536469)
Matt,

1940s era, vintage, pretty rare, likely made by a company called WGN, in this condition probably $50-85 in auction. A near pristine version could almost double that. Just an educated guess. It is a rather cool design.

I have this one cataloged as 1960s but I'm not 100% certain of that so it could well be 1940s.

There were 2 version of this pennant (neither of these photos are mine). As per Kyle's post yesterday, I think the colors on the multicolor version were paint added post-printing.

ooo-ribay 09-01-2025 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2536483)
I have this one cataloged as 1960s but I'm not 100% certain of that so it could well be 1940s.

And I’ll split the difference and go with 1950s. :p

perezfan 09-01-2025 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2536483)
I have this one cataloged as 1960s but I'm not 100% certain of that so it could well be 1940s.

There were 2 version of this pennant (neither of these photos are mine). As per Kyle's post yesterday, I think the colors on the multicolor version were paint added post-printing.

I have both versions, and that more detailed one on the right is actually a photo of mine that I took long ago. I would definitely say 1940s for both versions. Perhaps it just barely sneaks into the 50s, but not much more recent than that.

ooo-ribay 09-01-2025 06:28 PM

The gurus have spoken. 1940’s.

Thought I recognized a Steinberg tub. :p

bocca001 09-02-2025 02:10 PM

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Someone posted this group of pennants on facebook a few days ago. Thought it might be of interest. Lots of labels.


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