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slidekellyslide 02-17-2016 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1505217)
We should have a thread with a commitment not to do business with those whose names are associated with shill bidding, and by posting your name in the thread, you are agreeing to that. I wonder how many people would post their name (basically 'signing' the agreement) and commit to that?

Not many. Stuff trumps all has always been the mantra of this hobby. You might have a better shot at getting people to not to consign with those associated with the list. There are plenty of really good auction houses in the hobby to consign your stuff to.

Brian Van Horn 02-17-2016 06:00 PM

I wonder if this thread will reach 1,000 posts. No shilling please.

mechanicalman 02-17-2016 06:02 PM

Refusing to buy or to bid from these dudes, while it might seem morally sound, might have unintended consequences. If folks thought that other buyers are holding out, then the potential for lower prices might actually create more interest in these auctions. The real pain would be refusing to consign to these guys. I would sign up for that list.

timn1 02-17-2016 06:38 PM

Fwiw
 
I will not bid on any Goldin items - too many red flags in its history for me, and too many other places to spend my money.

HRBAKER 02-17-2016 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1505217)
We should have a thread with a commitment not to do business with those whose names are associated with shill bidding, and by posting your name in the thread, you are agreeing to that. I wonder how many people would post their name (basically 'signing' the agreement) and commit to that?

Might be as short as the list of folks who came on to explain why their name was on the original list. It's been this way for years, people complain but at the end of the day the transgressions aren't enough for most to do without the cardboard crack. That's why not many feel compelled to explain themselves, why would they when at the end of the day to many it doesn't matter. You get what you are willing to put up with.

slidekellyslide 02-18-2016 07:42 AM

When even the loudest Mastro/Legendary detractor was still bidding in their auction all the way to the end you have to think that the only way to really hurt these guys is to stop consigning with them.

1952boyntoncollector 02-18-2016 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 1505482)
When even the loudest Mastro/Legendary detractor was still bidding in their auction all the way to the end you have to think that the only way to really hurt these guys is to stop consigning with them.

nothing will change...this whole thread a waste of time....

Exhibitman 02-18-2016 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 1505482)
When even the loudest Mastro/Legendary detractor was still bidding in their auction all the way to the end you have to think that the only way to really hurt these guys is to stop consigning with them.

And we have a winner. If stuff trumps all then lack of stuff is the only thing that will kill the vermin.

mark evans 02-18-2016 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 1505508)
nothing will change...this whole thread a waste of time....

I may be the only collector out on this limb, but I am inclined to think that the Mastro prosecutions will serve as a significant deterrent against systemic conspiracies between auction houses and consignors to shill bids. I think shill bidding by consignors and their confederates may be tougher to eradicate. Here I think auction houses would be wise to engage in some form of self-regulation that includes industry standards and efforts for identifying and ferreting out shill bidders.

WindyCityGameUsed 02-20-2016 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by botn (Post 1505117)
Or at least until people like Kenny Goldin, JC Clarke, Dave Forman, Pete Calderone and others who are members here or represent advertisers make a post explaining the inclusion of their names on the list.

IMO no public admittance of wrong doing/associated guilt will ever be forth coming from any individual named on the list who derives their living from what we call a hobby but is strictly business for them.

I can't imagine a scenario at this point where these individuals are going to volunteer of their own accord to go on record with past transgressions so their statements can be used against them in a court of law down the road when their time/day comes.

It's a sick & twisted business that we support that is 90% devoid of any morals, conscience and integrity.


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