This looks interesting and a good buy but if interested, ask seller if the spine has been replaced. These Giants phantom pennants often have bleeding or water damage. Should have orange threads on back. Another seller was selling this a few months ago

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37460272767...MAAOSwV~NkKfwZ

This is cool. A STL Browns exhibit with pennants on display. Love the oversized one, I think someone posted it on the board.

https://youtu.be/z4IKVJiYObg

That's awesome! Only wish those pennants hanging vertically at the top were fully in view. There were a couple that are quite rare (I think :confused: )

Thanks for posting!

There’s a 1944 roster pennant in red, which I didn’t know existed. And that oversized bunter pennant in the frame is just wonderful. That graphic shows up in a few places … ChiFeds, Phillies 1915, etc.

Don’t think I’ve ever seen an oversized Cardinals from that era.

Very cool! They have stuff nearly as nice as Mark S.

Great video. Thanks for sharing it.

I have a soft spot for the STL Browns. Not sure why but I think it's the whole underdog story and the stories. I've not been able to pick up a Browns pennant but it's on my list.

Gary, you might also like this hour long documentary:

https://youtu.be/EC_dpKONlhg

The Browns have, IMO, the coolest logo in sports history, with the Apothesis of Saint (King) Louis, nudging out the Brewers and Hartford Whalers. The statue which resides in front of the Saint Louis Art Museum is now a target for cancellation by leftist activists.

I wonder if any of the jersey collectors on the board have a Browns with this logo as a sleeve patch. Just beautiful.

Browns
 

My only Brownie...

Great one, Andy....

Impossible to find that red felt version, as the brown and blue felt variations probably account for 98% of those that have survived. That Mean Brownie is way too cool!

Brownie...
 

Thanks Mark. My dad acquired a group of pennants back in the 60's that included this one. They were mainly Football and also included the Bears one that I traded to you maybe five years ago? Mind posting that one? I remember the great snarling bear. Thanks!

Now you're just making me envious. Great collection Greg.

If you're ever in the mood to sell that grommet pennant, let me know :D

That’s what Greg does!

Thank you … the TV clip showed a blue version which has been elusive for me …

In the video, the image is 70% obscured, but I think the one second from the right is the one I've needed for so long. It has a mischievous Brownie's face and is 3/4 size.

Not positive that's the one but I believe it is. I know "Bignoff" on this board has one. Hey Bignoff.... If you see this, can you possibly post a photo? :)

NM. A very kind Net54er was able to help me out!

I guess I'm working on a full wheel of this pennant, with various felt and graphics color combinations. The seller said, in his description, that he would ship in a tube. But, yeah, he didn't. At least he avoided folding the graphics.

These days, I almost always contact sellers and ask them to ship lightly rolled in a box. Most sellers are cool about it, be some can be a bit rude. So I just didn't bother this time because of the written description. Guess I'll go back to asking everyone (other than known pennant sellers).

That’s a beauty. Looks like you were able to save it. The seller either deftly avoided the graphics or you lucked out.

The coolest looking vintage football pennant ever made. Trench, of course!

Emmet was a commie?

(I know it’s Moscow, ID …)

To commemorate Jackie Robinson, TSOG is doing a "Jackie Week" featuring 7 very cool Pennants with African American players as the subjects.

The first segment features Larry Doby, Satchell Paige and Don Newcombe (and is already posted online). The second segment (to be aired on Friday) will be all about Jackie, with 4 rare pennants that feature his likeness.

Hope you enjoy, and thanks for watching. Link below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US1RRRSWzNE

Just watched it, Mark. I can't help but wonder if you are a bit low on your estimate for the Paige pennant. That thing is great.

Probably so....

I haven't seen one turn up in an eternity, so imagine it would now go significantly higher at auction. The Paige pennant didn't seem to be all that rare up until 5-6 years ago.

When these things dry up, they really become scarce! I guess that's the only good thing about being old... I got to a lot of this stuff just in the nick of time!

Great stuff, Mark. Now if I could only find a pic of the Luke Easter pennant (in the style of the WGN Paige and Doby). Have you seen it?

I've seen it a grand total of once in 30+ years. Seems like about 15 years ago and I think it went for about $1,400 back then. It was definitely in the same style as the Paige pennant. Would love to see another one surface some day!

Here is a pic of the Luke Easter, from worthpoint.

So cool to see such a rarity.

Wow!

“LUSCIOUS” Luke Easter! :D

Spectacular … a Holy Grail for sure.

As for the WGN Jackie pennant … mine lists him as “1st Baseman”, as do the others I’ve seen … do any reference him as a 2nd baseman?

EDIT: Yes! Worthpoint shows one, and also a version with no position ..

Today’s TSOG? Wow! :eek:

The fact that the one (and best IMO) Jackie Robinson pennant is probably the only to exist blows my mind.

It is a privilege to be “associated” with Mark and the rest of you guys!

Found this on worthpoint today, when looking for something else. Don't recall seeing this label before. Worton Novelties.

My guess would be they didn’t make it, just sold it.

Here are some others identified on worthpoint (or auction sites via Google) as having the Worton label. I know that Greg has talked about his belief that these are from an unknown NY maker. But Kyle believes some may be Trench (I think??).

Great stuff from Marc. Domer and I have been having some great email discussions (i.e. Trench vs Non-Trench) and Worton cane up. Observe where the company was located:

An ad from 1948

I think you guys have found a new maker! Bravo! :D

I'll take 100 football pennants for $15. Hell...Give me 200.

American Knitwear + Keezer
 

Referring back to the conversation around Post #6806

I recently picked up this mini New York Yankees American Knitwear pennant. It is very similar to the full-sized Keezer pennant I'm selling on eBay. I don't know where this conversation left off, but I wanted to provide these contributions.

Thanks, Erik. Crossed bats seem to be a common theme in this series.

About Worton, I look forward to hearing more from Kyle and others. It is interesting that the ad talks about price per 100. Makes it seem like high volume. Based on what's available on worthpoint, seems like the Worton and Epstein labels are both pretty rare (maybe 10 examples of each). But Trench labels are also pretty rare. So how to tell the difference between a maker and a down the line seller?

With no real reasoning, I think Worton was a maker.

R. Worton Novelties
 

My opinion: Worton was just a retailer; and these labels were merely his retailer's mark. From the limited universe of Worton-marked pennants I know of, he peddled a mixture of both Trench and AMCO pennants. That alone tells me he couldn't have made them all.

Additionally, unlike Epstein, there's no trade catalogue or phone directory identifying Worton as a manufacturer of pennants. Nothing. If they made all of these pennants, they were a significant manufacturer, and there should be some directory classifying them as a pennant maker.

Finally, as Greg pointed out, look at their location: across the street from old Yankee Stadium. Where there was plenty of foot traffic containing fans headed into the ballpark for baseball and football games. In other words, the ideal spot for a brick and mortar souvenir shop. In contrast, most of the 20th century NYC-based pennant makers, including Epstein, were clustered together in the Garment District, down by lower Manhattan. Nowhere near their end-users....

For me, the 1948 advertisement for football supplies seals the deal. Felt pennants were just one of several different novelty items they offered ... along with some complementary goods, e.g., pennant canes and charms; but also ... rabbits feet. :eek: That tells me they were a retail store, and to stay in business year round, they had to offer more than just felt pennants to their retail customers.

I've never heard of a single manufacturer making both pennants and rabbits feet, have you? ;)

So, for me, they were just a retailer that sourced their felt pennants from a variety of makers over the years. Because they purchased so many each year, these makers rewarded them by sewing Worton's name on their pennants. It's really not too different from a concessionaire's mark. Not only were Trench (and others) known for doing this, it would explain why there's plenty more of these same pennants with no label on them, i.e., because they were purchased from another retail source.

Hmm.. those are all good pieces of evidence and I want to believe. Being located in the garment business district may be the most convincing evidence to me that Epstein was a maker. I'm not so sure about the rabbits feet being evidence against Worton being a maker. The stuff people found for Epstein indicates that they sold other things too (e.g., feathers, "favors"), and I seem to recall that Keezer and ASCO made/sold many types of items. Especially buttons, which makes me think they also sold all of the types of things that came with the buttons (ribbons, charms, etc). I also did not recall anyone posting a catalog from Epstein.

I also don't have especially strong feelings about this one way or another (i.e., it does not matter to me if Worton is a maker or not). Just find it fun to have the discussions.

Interesting Epstein tag placement. You think that seamstress had an hourly quota? :eek:

This won’t settle it, but it is worth noting that the “wide scroll” pennants like that on the Yankees above and also the Cindarella Boys Giants were also made for the Dodgers and all three were 1950-51. Don’t know if any other team has it. So that suggests a NYC manufacturer. But the flip side is, I don’t think all of the “Worton” pennants were made by the same maker, either. There are some very different styles with the same label.

Speaking of Epstein, here’s a recent acquisition. This had ‘1942’ written on the spine in what seemed to be charcoal, and was easily lifted off the surface. If the date is legit it would put it in the NFL not AAFC.

Thanks Rob! And right back at you, for all your contributions and creating this thread! For anyone who wants to see it, here's a link...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcdngWNoG6A&t=65s

As for the Worton "debate", I tend to believe they were simply a retail outlet for baseball/sports souvenirs. Just my 2 cents, based on what I originally believed in addition to the points that Kyle and Greg made.... the most convincing of which is the location adjacent to Yankee Stadium.

One of the best ever Tigers pennants at a reasonable price, however the spine looks a bit unusual, as if it may not be sewn on as original. Be sure to inquire if interested, as there have been some transplants in circulation.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37463391077..._XwYQ&LH_BIN=1

Mark: Outstanding timely video and undoubtedly the only collection with all four Jackie-dedicated pennants.

Marc, is it correct that this pennant here was advertised as having the Worton label? Because I am about 99.9% confident that this is a WGN production. If Worton slapped a tag on it then I think we have an answer.

Hey Greg- I went back and checked the auction site (Heritage) and it seems pretty clear that it was this Yankees pennant below (which was in a second set of pics) that matched the description of having a Worton tag. And it fits with respect to style. Good catch. Seems like the pennants in this style are usually 3/4 or so in size.

If, as Kyle surmises, Worton retailed pennants for Trench, AMCO and others, I don’t think Worton would be the ones to “slap on” their tag. If that was the case, there would be overlapping stitching. I can only think Worton would have sent their tags to the maker i.e. “Please supply us with 100 Yankees pennants; here’s 100 tags.” Yes?

That makes the most sense. Just like the concessionaire's marks, which were typically screened on to the pennant by the maker during the screen printing process; or, printed on the the reverse-side of the photo by the maker in the case of a photo pennant.

Why hire two seamstresses, right?

Well, yes, of course. I really wasn’t intending to be specific regarding who did the actual “slapping”.

I’ll add that I don’t think any of the above pictured pennants were made by Trench. ;)

Bumping the thread to post something that only I care about … got this ‘69 cloth ASCO on the very cheap. They made a bunch of playoff team pennants … at least five for just the Mets. Orioles are tougher, Twins extremely tough (I’ve seen only one, badly trimmed), and never saw Braves.

Still have never seen the A’s on cloth, only felt.

That's a nice one Greg. The Orioles have a lot of nice pennants from between 1968 - 1972.

Here's a few new arrivals for me this week. The colours on the 48 WS pennant stood out to me even though the tip is blunted.

Black and orange is a good color scheme. :p

You've got a real eagle eye to find those cloth pennants. I found a cloth Giants but someone else had to point it out to me.

Nice Indians pennants!

Greg- do those 1969 cloth pennants come in different colors for the same teams? Or is it just one color per team?

Marc if you mean the ASCO series, I’ve have different colors for the Cubs (red, white), Twins (red, blue), Indians (white, 1970-stamped blue). Cubs also have many variations of the 1969 “Cub Power” pennants. Also two different white Orioles.

Very nice! All three are cool designs.

These are the 1969 Mets playoff/WS ASCO pennants, all cloth. It appears that they stole the Shea graphic from Trench.

Philadelphia Blue Jays Pennant
 

I picked up these three pennants. Two are full sized the Philadelphia Blue Jays Pennant is 4 by 1 5/8 inches.

Does anyone have suggestions for displaying a pennant that doesn't fit the size of off the shelf cases? I don't want to have it sewn into a backing either as its quite old and think it would destroy any value it has. Or who sells cases you could hang on a wall that fit a wide variety of sizes to see if I could find one that works?

Great pickups… all toughies!

[QUOTE=perezfan;2332179]Thanks Rob! And right back at you, for all your contributions and creating this thread! For anyone who wants to see it, here's a link...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcdngWNoG6A&t=65s

Mark, I kind of thought you might be a little conservative on the value of your scarce Jackie Robinson pennants. Check this one out that just ended at Lelands:
https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=113499
The pennant is red and doesn't have the same eye appeal to me as your blue one. I can't imagine what your 1 of 1 pennant picturing Jackie would sell for.

Rick

[QUOTE=rlevy;2334036]Yeah, you’re right. I underestimated. Still stuck on 1990s pricing. I’m afraid that makes me a Hobby Dinosaur. Much more a “dinosaur” than a “whale” these days, haha. Thanks for watching.

In the “Jackie Robinson Mementos” video, I didn’t even attempt estimating prices. That stuff just don’t turn up often enough to hazard a guess. After Leland’s, I’m almost ready to give up guessing. Not just in regard to the Jackie pennant… everything I was watching went haywire!

Because of this thread and ooo-ribay (thanks again Rob) I was finally able to land this pennant in 2021 after many years of searching. I thought I’d provide a bit of an update. I left it with my friends at the Clemente Museum as Blass is a big supporter of the museum. Last week he was there and signed it for me. I am told he was stunned and lit up like a Christmas tree when he saw it. He reported he hadn’t seen one in 50 years. I wish I had been there because I’m told he told a cool story about Steve Blass day in his small home town. He is a master storyteller. I wish they had taken a photo of him holding it. I suppose that would have been greedy of me. Blass and Manny Sanguillen also signed my Game 7 ticket stub for me.

[QUOTE=perezfan;2334108]All of Jackie's stuff has really escalated in price in the past couple of years. While I have the 2 more common pennants featuring Jackie's portrait (plus the Barnstorming one from 1953-4) I had been hoping to add at least one of the other 2, but that ship has clearly sailed.

And I just watched your Jackie memorabilia video, great stuff. As Kyle will attest, I have been looking for a Jackie wallet for quite a while, and they never show up. In any condition.

Rick

Great story. I’m happy I played a small part in your acquisition.

There were some great pennants at the REA auction that closed last night. Prices were outside my budget but still seemed softer than I was expecting.

Hopefully some of them ended up with Net54 members.

Gary G01db3rg

Maybe others (like Mark) can comment on framing options/choices, but I have avoided the need for stitching by using faux suede backing. The texture more or less holds the pennant in place. Yes, the pennant is touching the glass (I actually use non-glare/UV filtered acrylic), but I'm not exactly protecting the Mona Lisa and am not worried about it. For oversized pennants that I'm not framing, I sometimes use larger rectangular top loaders. Depending on the look you are going for, you could put those up on the wall.

With the conspicuous silence regarding this auction, I figured many would be dialed in on it. But the sale prices didn't wow me the way other recent (and more common) pennants have. Some of them were downright reasonable. For "new discoveries" with fantastic artwork, they went low in my opinion. So low that I could barely control my bidding finger.

Get an extra large poster toploader (40”) which sells for about $20, cut it to custom fit, using the already sealed side for the bottom edge. Seal top edge with clear wrapping tape. One such toploader makes two extra large pennant holders and takes up no additional display area on the wall. These in the picture are all oversized (32” or more) with one regular size pennant thrown in for comparison.

These were surely nice and sold for reasonable prices. Still too rich for my blood. The jewel in the group IMO was the Yankees, as I don’t think I’ve ever seen an oversized NYY pennant from the teens. (Mark?) I thought the most attractive was the Senators, no cracking and in a nice green nonetheless. Someone took a bath on the White Sox pennant which sold for $3900 on eBay a few months ago. It didn’t help him that his pennant was auctioned with that group. Likely hurt a lot.

That is a stellar framing job, Marc!

Looks like you found a beautiful textured mat whose color matches the “Giants” writing to a tee. Really compliments the green felt as well. Beautiful!

Yes, You nailed it Greg. The Phillies pennant sold for the most, but the Yankees pennant was the true gem in my opinion as well. First oversized Yankees I’ve ever seen, and that’s a lot of years worth of looking. A friend of mine was pursuing it, I know. Not sure yet whether he won it (hope so), but am almost positive he was at least in the top two.

I thought the prices were decent but not as “blockbuster” as they could’ve been. I had guessed early on that these would land in the $4 - $5K range. The Yankees and Phillies finished high in that range but the other three fell short.

I was underbidder on the Giants, and would’ve hit it a few more times if I had any available wall space. I thought it was the best one of the group artistically, but my eye kept going back to the White Sox vertical pennant (which climbed just high enough that I dropped out).

I guess I was most surprised about the Red Sox not going higher. Usually early Red Sox pennants go crazy at auction. It was the worst conditioned example of the five, so perhaps that’s what held it back. Great auction, nonetheless… best memorabilia offering REA has had in the last decade!

Great story Mike… Now that’s what collecting is all about!

What a rare and awesome pennant, and one that Steve Blass himself got to enjoy seeing. Great stuff!

Better than the Mona Lisa, IMO!

That looks great. Did you use a store bought frame and add the backing?

Nice Giants pennant BTW!