Here’s the whole catalog for the maker of my OU pennant:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...3960/t5k93xs3m

Sure. The heavy vinyl was a flop. I had to tape both edges and over time they sagged and the tape slid. I eventually replaced all of them with poster toploaders which give me one existing rigid edge that I use for the bottom edge, and I tape the top. Big success. I am able to get two large pennant holders from one $20 40” toploader. Only one of my oversized exceeds that, I have a 42” Cubs and had to put on an “extension” at the tip. I use photo toploaders for framing my minis, a guillotine paper cutter comes in real handy as does invisible wrapping tape. The Athletics above came from a 40” toploader.

I have also used smaller poster toploaders for custom fitting smaller 8x26 pennants that look odd in the normal sizes holders. I’ve also trimmed standard pennant holders to size.

Are you able to find those big toploaders locally? I saw them online at a good price but there was a minimum order of ten units. I think I have a Plan B.

I think I bought 6 or 7 at $20 apiece, online.

The history is cool. Beautiful catalogue, great find Rob. And, your "pennant" is even cooler ... but, remember--it's not a pennant; it's a burgee. :)

Added this guy not too long ago. The Indian graphic seemed pretty unique. 23” long

OU is said to have the best sports marketing (or sports management?) program in the country. The school owns a franchise in a summer collegiate league and their students pretty much run it as an internship.

I’d never heard that. I always thought their claim to fame was being named the #1 Party School in numerous years. :p

Nice pickup Greg...

I admired that one when it was on eBay a couple weeks ago. Looks like you tailored the toploader to fit the pennant?

Given the wasteland that eBay has become, you are on quite a roll as of late!

Just released a new video on 2 of my earliest pennants. More to come... hope you enjoy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiZGvHSZH2A

Great video Mark. And killer pennants!

Giants
 

Greg, have you ever seen that Giants pennant in purple?

Not mine (pic from worthpoint). It seems to be a mix of burgundy and purple. There is also blue.

Seen it in blue, and now thanks to Marc, in purple.

Trench went crazy on 1954 championship pennants. Maybe 6 variations of Indians and 2 for the Giants, this being the other

I'm very happy with how this turned out (if I do say so myself). All it took was a $25 27x40 poster frame.....and about two hours of finagling! :p I spray glued some catalog pages to the back and cut out little windows so you can see the two tags.

Very nice framing!

Awesome framing job, Rob! Now that's thinking creatively. How did you cut/tailor the frame and glass to adhere to the "fishtail" shape of the pennant?

You must have some amazing tools!

Thanks, Mark. I started with a very cheap frame - thin plexiglass and plastic edging. So, it just takes a “scoring knife” to cut the plexi. You just score it until it feels like you can snap it. For the fishtail, I had to cut all the way through. For the edging, I just use a utility knife and a little trial and error on the angles. I like that these frames really compress the pennant and those deteriorating tassels can’t move.

:confused:

Rob, I think you need to start a YouTube channel that teaches us how to replicate such fine craftsmanship.

Looks great, love the cut-out windows on the reverse.

How about I do a guest spot on your Pennant Factory channel?

I do enjoy figuring out low-end display options. I had had a few cocktails Saturday night and it was all I could do to keep myself from starting this project. I’m glad I waited until Sunday. It wasn’t exactly rocket science but it did require a little bit of thought.

Somebody posted this on facebook tonight. Pretty sweet find.

Mark could probably find a couple of those under his couch cushions. :D

I was thinking the same.

Oh FFS …

https://www.ebay.com/itm/20421982548...sAAOSwDNpjyWlg

Why? :confused:

edit: the 1954 part?

I need to brush up on my acronyms.... not sure what FFS means. I will say that when I saw this, I immediately thought M&N Reproduction. The only known version in this style is 3/4 size, and the seller claims this is full-sized.

Very funny, although I would argue that you're equally likely to find one under Greg's Pool Table, or somewhere in Appleton, WI. :rolleyes:

Mitchell and Ness repro, late 1990s. Seller should know. I bought one of these, in person, from Mitchell & Ness’ old store in Philly. And Mark is spot on. I’ve only seen this in 3/4 size in color, it’s a cool logo.

For **** sake (LOL)

And yes, see above.

LOL … I wish! That Walter Johnson pennant should be an easy $10K, possibly more. I think a smaller one dated 1924 with the sane graphic went in the mid teens.

I hadn't seen FFS ever used but my potty mouth mind figured it out pretty quick.

Not a sports pennant but still this Collegiate pennant is worthy of awe …

That's a really nice Walter Johnson pennant. I hadn't seen one before but I wish I spent more time on Facebook.

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :mad:

Makes me want to join the Navy....:)

Just giving the thread a push … going through my tubs I came across this simple, elegant Trench Reds pennant from (my guess) early 50s. I saw that one like this sold on eBay not long ago, I think it’s otherwise pretty rare. Strangely I haven’t seen this in any other color … Mark, do you have this in red?

I’m a big fan of this series, where the team name is in 2-D letters, no cursive or block lettering.

This does have the uneven coloring in the logo, which I’ve seen before on other Trenches.

Additional note regarding the series to which the above Reds belongs … I don’t think the Tigers have one. I’ve never seen it. I don’t think the Boston Braves have one, either, although they do have Trench scroll versions from 1949 and 1950, and a couple with the year in a screened ribbon

Thanks for the “push”, Greg! Do you think the Reds logo always had kind of a tie-dye look? Or was it a solid pink or red (if you had to guess)?

I would assume it is just an imperfection in the screening process. Domer would have a much better idea, hopefully he can elaborate.

Greg. Here's a variation on your's that seems to be pretty hard to track down...

Cool. Never saw this before, it’s a 3/4 size?

Yeah. Kinda leans that way...

I agree. All these makers, including Trench, I noticed tended to get a little quick with the airbrush when spraying on the secondary coloring.

Most likely it left the factory like that; but, I can't rule out exposure to moisture, cleaning products, etc. that can cause those delicate colors to run over time.

Rob: have you had success cleaning (or bleaching) a pennant that was polychromatic? I would think the white underbase layer would do well; but, always feared the applied colors would run.

Not sure which Rob but yes...I did experiment with cleaning/bleaching 60s polychromatic pennants a few years back. Generally, white ones cleaned up nicely and the graphics held up fine...except for the color red. Red bleeds pretty badly but generally stops after the outer layer sloughs off and if you keep rinsing with water, all the bleeding washes away with no bleeding stains left behind. Sometimes, but not always, the red graphics have a slightly faded look after but it's more uniform than that Reds pennant which leads me to believe it was probably made that way with some aging/fading factored in as well.

Similar coloring here

I just noticed an ebay sale of these three mini pennants that I believe are from American Knitwear/Keezer. Very rare. Just thought I would show them here (they are not mine... I only own the Giants). I'll also add pics of examples from other teams I've seen. The Pirates is stamped American Knitwear (we discussed that one and the Giants a few months back). I admit that they may not all be from the same series or even maker, but they share a number of similarities (with one being rarity).

I'm picking up what you're putting down, Marc.

One slight anomaly I noticed is the Angels...the location and team name are reversed on that one, compared to all the others.

A little trick to fool the eye...these homemade tassels aren't even attached. They're just laid on the pennant.

Here’s where it now resides

Big shock! :p

Is it stamped on the back?

No stamp. Here’s my Phillies, also no stamp

Even more betrayal … what’s next, Chief Wahoo on an Indian reservation pennant? I’m ready to auction away all my Trenches in disgust … well, almost

https://www.ebay.com/itm/15544780203...srZYQ&LH_BIN=1

Okay... enough silence on the matter. Did anyone here win this one?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/22546887135...p2047675.l2557


Apparently it comes straight from the former Equipment Manager's estate, and looks perfect for the era.... albeit I have never seen this variation before.

Eager to hear "Football Rob's" thoughts on this one, and whether or not he was the lucky winner. I actually thought it would exceed $1K, and would definitely have set my snipe accordingly (in the old days!)

That’s certainly different looking!

I had seen the Titans pennant on Rob's Felt Football site, but had never seen it for sale before. Strange that it is nothing like the actual team colors.

It was an interesting week for Titans/Jets stuff, as this odd but very rare pennant sold as well.

That's so cool.... I somehow missed that one. So much nicer than the typical plain old helmet pennant.

Think how that guy’s head would look without his helmet. :eek:

I was watching this and on the fence about bidding. I know an AFL super collector who has one and believes it's the real deal and this guy is pretty knowledgeable. And the equipment manager comment did give me pause.

But something about this pennant doesn't feel vintage and I'm bothered by the colors. It's very different than any other Titans pennant that exists. The fat tassels seem odd. I'm not convinced and for that money, I can think of a few others I'd rather have. Though my fingers did start to twitch as I stared at the "bid now" button in the closing seconds.

This one is so rare and odd. Looks like an old man in an astronaut helmet. Would love to know the story on these one offs. Where are all the other teams? So many unique styles out there that seem to exist for only one or a handful of teams. Primarily from the 1960s. I don't think the same phenomena exists for baseball pennants does it?

Thought I'd add a pic of the Titans pennant.

The Jets pennant was in a lot and the tip looked like it had been torn and taped back on the pennant. But I think it still sold really well.

I'm mostly convinced that the company putting the stars on football and baseball pennants (with no MLB or NFL logos) was from New York. So I'm not totally shocked by the one-off version for the Jets.

The graphic is unlike anything of the era, it looks like it was sketched in ink (modern) and can’t crack, as opposed to screenprinted. Would like to see the stitching to compare to known Keezers; if not similar then I’d lean heavily towards this being a modern production or a fugazi.

That Jets pennant is seriously cool.

Here's a new arrival for me this week....51 ASG.

^^^^ Nice!

Retro Clean?

Thanks. That picture is after I used Retro Clean. I didn't leave it in for very long (only about 5-10 mins) because...well... it's a red pennant. :-) I've also had a bad experience where I left a pennant for too long and the white started to come apart. and the red bled through.

I might have another go in the future, if I feel like gambling. But I'm happy with it as it is for the moment.

Just a heads-up to let the "pennant guys" know a new video was just posted on one of my favorite all-time pennants. Hope you enjoy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p9SRaJjFdk

What a spectacular Cubs pennant. And the condition is incredible. Did the Cubs also have a “B.B.C.” version of this? It’s definitely made by the same maker as that series.

Also a great pic from what seems to be Forbes Field during the 1960 WS, cool to see all the Trenches hanging.

So … the painfully obvious Mitchell and Ness late 1990s Orioles pennant sold recently under the mislabel of “circa 1954”

https://www.ebay.com/itm/20421982548...Bk9SR6TIlP7cYQ

… and the new owner was in such a hurry to flip it (also misstating it as circa 1954) that he used the same exact picture from the first sale! Someone please make it stop!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/36418407401..._7cYQ&LH_BIN=1

EDIT: Original picture slightly cropped to not show edge of table. My bad.

It’s ebay. It will never stop.

Sadly, you are right. Here’s the proof BTW

It’s actually a shame it isn’t vintage. It’s maybe the best Orioles logo. But as Mark believes, it was never used in color on a full-size pennant. Here it is on a 3/4 size. Trench used a rather ugly blackbird logo instead for many years.

Also interesting about that oriole is that it is among the logos on that 1956 kids book that I post ad nauseum. Most of the other logos were WGN and the Reds was Keezer. Chisox and Phillies were not used.

^^^^ The Sox holding bats are terrible. :p

The Red Sox in particular looks like a little dude who is … um … a little too happy.

OK, did anyone in this group have faster fingers then me? Was in the middle of driving and trying to make an offer on this and then it was gone. Think the listing lasted maybe 15 min.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/36418379374...p2047675.l2557

Somebody got a good buy. Probably "round white table guy".

Lol!

You mean "round white table, one picture, no description" guy?

If you're looking for Tigers, this one is still out there. Too bad he doesn't have OBO on it but the price isn't terrible.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/36418370289...mis&media=COPY

Rob,

I noticed that along with the 39 tiger pennant. I need both for my collection and trying to see if he will do a package deal.

Don’t know what the offer was but I’d say $175 or so was about right given the condition (cracking, torn tip). You think more? It is a tough WGN pennant. I’d guess $300 in good condition for sure. I love how they have so many dated pennants.

You’ll recall there is a Tigers seller who has flipped after making initially undisclosed repairs … keep an eye out.

The ‘52 looks odd in the sleeve. Could be trimmed. If you consider, ask for length, should be a hair over 28” +/-