Still no vaccines for me and not a chance in hell in the near future either.

I have no idea what any of your guys States numbers are but up here we are now seeing more cases in the fully vaxxed than we are in the unvaxxed.

Our Province is now over 86% fully vaxxed and our numbers are going up each and everyday. :confused:

Tremendous vaccines! :rolleyes:

https://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/147696

Makes zero sense to me but I'm sure there are plenty of spins on it to explain it all. ;)

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Left, right, and centrist!

Totally understandable. I'm sorry to hear your numbers are climbing, it's unfortunate. While I can't speak for the other states, life here in NY seems to be progressing back to normal. I've been in packed bars, concert venues, restaurants and schools. Gotta do what's best for you in your situation.

-49 year old woman, perfectly healthy (purchased our house in May), only member of the family (husband, 18 year old and a 12 and 10 year old) not to be vaccinated, 3 weeks on vent, wasn't able to say goodbye to family and died.
-mid 40's member of this forum, perfectly healthy, long hauler with as he puts it "covid fog" and other problems. This is at least 8 months later.
-local plumber, mid 40's, overweight, has done work for me in the past, anti vax and mask on his facebook page, going on 3 weeks on a vent, dire condition.
-a good friends brother in law who I am also friendly with, late 50's, also anti vax, multiple weeks in the hospital, came home for a week and is now back in the hospital with organ failure. Really good guy who is questioning why he didn't get the vaccine everytime I check in on him.

Just some examples of people that I actually know....not anecdotal stories from strangers. Believe what you want...hopefully I won't add you to my list.

Jeff

And just as many stories about perfectly healthy people getting the vax then being hospitalized and some dying due to blood clots and other now known side affects.

I laugh at the "anti-vax" label that is placed on people like me. I know many, like myself, who have had every vax required to date but since we don't agree with this first time ever used, rushed through, with no long term side affect studies, experimental vaccine, we are labelled anit-vaxxers. :D

If it weren't for the gov't overreach, the extreme push from the gov't to get these vaccines, the back and forth, the flip flopping, the lies, the censorship, the incentives and everything else questionable, imo, that should throw up a red flag to many, way more would be vaccinated than what there currently are.

In my opinion, the whole thing reeks and has since the very beginning.

I would rate discussing Covid the same as talking politics, religion, or having some crazy loser that won't shut up telling you how bigfoot is real. Still way better than another PWCC thread or the best lefty thread.:D:D:D

I hear ya, Ben. There is no winning no matter what each side presents. Nothing but an exercise in futility. Which, based on what has already been covered/talked about in this thread, I'll likely exit from it from here on out.

Hope all is well. :)

Bigfoot is real. What section is the Bigfoot thread in?

Goldin soon to auction authentic hair with his barbers Provenance via NFT

My Wife is a pharmacist, my Daughter is a pharmacist in the emergency room of a hospital, my Uncle and Cousin are both Doctor's and my very good friend worked for Pfizer (involved with vaccines) for 25 years. Getting vaccinated was an easy decision based upon their input.

I wonder if a few of the almost 49,000,000 people in the USA that have had COVID and even more of the almost 800,000 people who have died from COVID would like a chance at the vaccine now? Based on my Daughter's actual experiences in the ER...the answer is YES!

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Jeff

You should have taken your own advise then before posting earlier and reviving this thread.

Warren Spahn

I agree and I have a killer Spahn card. Plus your answer is shorter then the Epic of Gilgamesh long posts many made.;):D

No. Anybody who can’t see this thing for what it is is blind. These are not vaccines, they are gene therapy injections with a spike protein that is going to end up causing immeasurable long term health issues and death. Your body’s T-Cells are reduced 30% each jab - three jabs or boosters and you have no immune system left.....none. The “vaccines” were made for the alpha strain and are already ineffective, the booster shots increase your count of Alpha strain spike protein production. That's training your body to produce outdated antibodies which will cause a non-neutralising but binding response to wild type spike protein, and will increase the quantity of antibodies with each booster shot but not the quality of antibodies. The absolute BEST thing that we can do is look after our own bodies, meaning prioritizing our health and our natural immune systems. Avoid garbage, processed foods and drugs. If possible, grow your own vegetables and hunt for your meat. Stay fit and active. Supplement with vitamin D, C, zinc, and quercetin.

I have been around this thing since day one. I’m not in the medical field, but am a subcontractor with a 95% workload at a large hospital. Everybody in my household has tested positive at one point or another in the past year except me. My 76 year old mother has it right now. I sat with her for two hours last night at her place because she was lonely due to her quarantine and not being able to go out. The fear that the MSM has pushed on us is far worse than the virus itself. There’s nothing special about this thing. Ask yourself why the media hasn’t even mentioned natural antibodies or offered us ways to boost our immune systems and get fit, strong and healthy so that we don’t get sick in the first place? It’s all fear, vaccines, fear, and more jabs. This whole thing is a massive transfer of wealth.....follow the money and see who’s pockets are getting deeper right now. All that said , I am not anti vaccine. If you want to take the jab, that’s your personal choice but those of us who do not wish to take it should have that choice (without reprocussions) as well.

I'll take a shot at it. Is it because the media is in bed with the vaccine makers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5z4KRvWtEs

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Hey now! Leave poor bigfoot out of this. :D:D:D
Between the pandemic and people not looking for him the number of subs etc abandoned in a panic by people spotting him is WAY down... So much so that he's had to resort to selling his lefty cards through PWCC...:D:D:D

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I have always wanted to go to one of the many BigFoot museums. I think they would be fun to go through.

Nice pic of Bob in a costume.

I think that's Theo Epstein leaving Fenway on Halloween 2005.

It absolutely blows my mind how many people have fallen for this.

Your point?

I think I found Bigfoot, first where do I collect the reward?


It's the JonStats guy on Ebay. Look at image #2 in this listing:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/38445823356...AAAOSw73xhcYQd

My 8yo son is a believer after he saw those stupid chasing bigfoot shows on Discovery.

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I’d like to have Bigfoot’s mileage points. Dude travels all across the USA on a regular basis just to let people get a ‘glimpse’ of him.

Why do they call this creature Bigfoot instead of BigButt?

And, we broke a 1,000 yesterday, and just a couple/few weeks ago we were below 400 despite the fact we are approaching an 88% vaccination rate.

Ontario reports more than 1,000 new COVID-19 cases for first time in six months.78
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-r...85EOv_Rqc6g630

Yep that is exactly how vaccines work. It is how we eradicated the flu.:D

They're awesome vaccines! I honestly don't understand the vaccine hesitancy?? :rolleyes:

499 fully vaccinated cases today and 469 in the unvaccinated. Sure makes one want to rush out and get these jabs!!

And, like anyone with a brain could see, the number of vaccinated cases in the ICU is also closing the gap on the unvaccinated.

It's amazing that some still advocate and endorse these vaccines despite these numbers.

""The number of new COVID-19 cases in Ontario continue to grow, reaching the highest total since May 30""

""The number of active cases went up to 7,540""

https://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/148290

I wish you good luck without it and I mean that.

It's funny to me how people come to this thread consistently to try to prove that the vaccines don't work. It seems to me that they are trying to convince themselves that they are doing the right thing. Is it important to you to get validation from other anti-vaxxers? I just don't get it?

BTW, my friend who I mentioned earlier is still on a vent (almost a month later) and is still in dire condition.

Jeff G.

You said, and I quote, "I’m not in the medical field, but am a subcontractor with a 95% workload at a large hospital."

If you aren't in the medical field, then the fact that you work in a hospital lends about as much credibility to your opinion as the guy that stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night. For all we know, you work for the company that the janitorial services were outsourced to.

I'm not particularly interested in an argument, but given the choice between scientists who have made their life's work to understand infectious disease and someone who does records transcription or computer help desk work, I'll chose the scientists.

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Thank you, and I mean that as well, but can you tell me what will happen to me if I don't get the jabs?

I'm 57, not obese and have no underlying health issues (comorbidities). I eat healthy, take vitamin D+3 and vitamin C with zinc daily. My exercise regime could improve but other than that I am in pretty good health.

With a 99% recovery rating, (if I ever contract it), I'll take my odds rather than have an experimental, first time ever used, with no long term side affect studies, and zero proof it actually works, vaccine injected into me.

Like I said earlier in this thread, we have all been brainwashed, coerced, fooled, manipulated into believing this nonsense because fear sells and that is what we have been sold.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, I don't care, but the shit I have seen to date regarding this whole pandemic and the vaccines, leads me to believe this isn't about covid nor the vaccines at all. It is about control.

We've gone from masks don't work to wear 2, from 2 weeks to flatten the curve, to once we have vaccines, to once 70% of the population is vaccinated, to once 80%, to once 90% and now to passports and mandates. In my opinion, it is never going to end as long as we keep buying in.

The stupidity of it all is all around us but yet it seems many are blind to that fact because their T.V. screens don't talk about it, nor do they talk about all the doctors, nurses, scientists and other medical professionals, (or yesterdays hero's) that also are against these vaccines. It goes on and on and on and on........

What's even funnier are people that are told, and can see that numbers are going up DESPITE the vaccine supposedly working, and they STILL live in their delusional "everything I'm being told by the media and government must be 100% correct, and I blindly follow and question nothing despite obvious and glaring contradictions" world.

But yeah, it's the "anti-vaxxers" that are trying to convince themselves lol

If you think this is all a big government plan to control you, you have WAY bigger problems than Covid.

You might want to educate yourself first on globalization, agenda 2030 or the great reset, Ben, before you start throwing out insults.
If you don't think this is political, but rather about your health and well being, you haven't been paying attention.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/our...t-great-reset/
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2fp0Jeyjvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz--5LTTmaM

What's even more pathetic are people who ignorantly post numbers to "prove" their point when the totality of those numbers prove the opposite of their point.
According to the article in the above link, 11,824,449 people in Ontario are above 5 years of age. Based on their percentages (80.55% fully vaccinated, 84.39% fully or partially vaccinated, and 15.61% unvaccinated), 9,524,594 people are fully vaccinated, 9,978,653 are partially vaccinated and 2,299,855 are not vaccinated. According to the numbers provided, 499 of the vaccinated recently got covid, 25 of the partially vaccinated got covid, and 469 of the unvaccinated got covid. In other words, 0.0052% of the fully vaccinated got covid, 0.0055% of the partially vaccinated got covid, and 0.025% of the unvaccinated people got covid. What that means is that if you are unvaccinated, you are 4.85 times more likely to get covid than if you are fully vaccinated and 4.84 times more likely to get covid than if you are fully or partially vaccinated.

And, based on the article, the unvaccinated are 14 times more likely to end up in the ICU versus the fully vaccinated. Those who are partially vaccinated are 3.5 times more likely to end up in the ICU versus the fully vaccinated.

So yeah, keep drinking the Kool-Aid or stay ignorant, whichever the case may be that allows you to think that the article YOU cited shows the vaccines don’t work. “Like anyone with a brain can see,” the article shows that the vaccines ARE working.

Hahaha nice rationalization

The vaccine DOESN'T STOP ANYTHING. What's so hard for you to grasp???

Vaccine - a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

Immunity - the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.

Keep living in your tiny percentages lol

If the vaccine isn't stopping COVID....it's NOT a vaccine. Use common fucking sense

Read my previous posts...I am basing my beliefs on Science...has nothing to do with the media or Government. I can clearly tell where you get your facts from (without you even saying it).

Jeff

I'm out...I didn't post here trying to convince anyone to do something that they don't want to do.

I do believe that if you don't want to get the vaccine, you should not be able to go to the hospital to be treated when you get ill. You can't have it both ways.

Jeff

Nice try... You mean the "science" on the left that says individuals born as men can also be women?? Is that the real "science" you're referring to?? lol

I say this with all due respect... try thinking for yourself instead of blindly following the media... You'll be MUCH better off...

Yep, so much so, the CDC changed the definition of it (see below)

So, by your analogy, anyone who smokes, drinks, eats unhealthy, is obese/overweight, participates in risky sports/hobbies or doesn't exercise should also not be allowed medical coverage.
Unbelievable, and almost as unbelievable as what you referenced earlier. The guy you know who works for Pfizer and the fact he recommended you get vaccinated. I never would have guessed it. I was certain he would have tried to talk you out of it!! :D

Just one final thing...Irv...why are you trying so hard? Your posts fill up my 27 inch computer screen.

For all of you that won't get the vaccine, good luck..can you please designate someone to come on here when you are in the hospital on a vent so that we can pray for you.

Back to reading the sports collectibles threads.

Jeff G.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Why is the media trying so hard? If you think others are actin6"in your best interest" your sadly mistaken. Unless it is so you can continue to live in order to pay taxes. Then I see your point

No rationalization. Just basic, common math. Something you’re apparently not familiar with.

What’s so hard for me to grasp??? How anyone could be so willfully ignorant. According to the figures Irv so graciously provided for us, if every person in Ontario contracted covid at the same rate the unvaccinated did, an additional 2,011 people would have contracted covid. That means 2,011 people did not contract covid because of the vaccine. Your statement, “the vaccine DOESN'T STOP ANYTHING” is flat out WRONG.

See above. The vaccine IS stopping people from getting covid.

Common sense, something else you’re apparently not familiar with.

I believe he is referring to the sciences of virology and epidemiology, which is completely unrelated to anything having to do with gender or sex. And his position is consistent with the position of the practitioners of those disciplines.

I believe the point he is making (albeit badly) is that vaccines aren't, in a sense, a prophylactic. Vaccines work by training the immune system to develop an antibody response to the disease. This response may keep the person from developing the disease altogether, which obviously leads to the difference in infection rates you noted in your previous post.

However, while the immune response may not prevent some from the developing the disease anyways, it does help mitigate the severity (and mortality) of the disease. And there is significant information available from healthcare organizations to back this up. It is this latter case that folks who don't understand the science throw up as some sort of argument that vaccines don't work. They start with a nominally true statement and run with it to whatever their predetermined conclusion is.

Go on...
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How dare you question His Lordship Doctor Anthony Fauci.

I don't think you should regret it at all. There is nothing inherently incorrect in what you have said, though I would change your opening sentence to "appeals to authority *may* be irrational arguments."

The issue here, as I see it is that the overwhelming preponderance of research and opinion of actual experts speaks to the efficacy of mRNA vaccines. And while Malone certainly performed some seminal research that led us to mRNA vaccines, there is a tendency to oversell it. The underlying science preceded his groundbreaking work and it has advanced significantly in the 3 decades since.

That isn't to say that a single person standing against the current understanding of a science is necessarily wrong. They may very well be right. But, the case to overturn a scientific paradigm is made in the lab, not on Tucker Carlson.

I'm not sure I get your point. In his post, he didn't start with "a nominally true statement." He started with a demonstrably false statement/claim (I agree with you that he does claim that the vaccine isn't 100% effective). I disproved that claim with the data Irv was so generous to provide. And even though I'm not a doctor and I haven't stayed in a Holiday Inn Express in a long while, I do know the purpose of vaccines, generally how they work, and the fact that no one in their right mind claims they are 100% effective. So again, I'm not sure what your point is.

Maybe I didn't get your point because I was too busy patting myself on the back for ignoring the idiocy that follows from his post. For instance, do you think he wears seatbelts? After all, seatbelts don't prevent injury or death in 100% of the people who wear them, so why wear them according to his "logic"?

Is everyone all distracted by the Russia/Ukraine war and forgot all about this? :rolleyes:

No worries, nothing to see here. Just more strawman arguments and conspiracy theories is all. ;)

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads...LCPvz26CjLr8JE

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-r...XKtarSJCjXWbnY

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...YDKsav3rzO2SYM

And people didn't batt an eye when Pfizer wanted this information hidden for 55yrs then requested another 20 taking it to 75 yrs.

Poof....Russia destroyed the Covid narrative. The upcoming mid-terms helped out, as well. :rolleyes:

It's not even worth "debating" anymore. Both sides are sure they were right and refuse to anything that might be in the middle. Anyhow glad its over

At least around my area, the covid narrative was pretty much playing itself out by the lack of new cases, weeks before the Russian invasion.

But I agree that it would be nice to stop arguing about the topic.

And the fact the Supreme Court turned down Biden's mandates, or most of them, that he was pushing despite your Constitution.

Quite remarkable the info that is coming out now about all the adverse vaccine side affects and vaccine deaths.
I wonder how many people that took the vaccines now realize they were just Guinea pigs/lab rats for big pharma?

I am hoping, but I'm not holding my breath, that some pay huge for what they did and all the lies they told.

CDC, FDA, Fauci, etc, are all complicit.

Sure hope Peter cashed out when the getting was good? ;)

"The FDA is the trusted third-party verification of pharmaceutical products. 50% of their budget comes from Pharma...due to the institutional imperative that was in place at the time and the speed with which they tried to approve these unproven products with this unproven technology, fraud did occur, and what's my proof of that? The FDA, together with Pfizer, were trying to hide the clinical data.

And it’s come out recently...that the all-cause mortality for the Pfizer product failed – that means there were more deaths in the vaccine group than the placebo group. Normally in such a case, you have NO drug approval for such drugs. It's the gold standard. I've been told by all my people in the Biotech Industry they were horrified..

Pfizer & Moderna Investors Run for the Exits
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opin...60d1a126b.html

Does making your post big and bold make it more believable?

To me it is like someone raising their voice when the other person doesn't speak the same language. Seriously pointless and beyond silly.

Aah, poor Ben. Right quick to throw out insults when I was trying to tell you this but is now offended because I bolded a copy and paste.

I'll cut you some slack though, Ben, as I'm sure I'd be anxious right now too knowing I have 3 doses of an experimental serum that did SFA coursing through my veins too.

Not anxious in the least and am very very happy to be fully vaccinated. Just curious why most of your posts are in huge bold font. From a novice conspiracy theorist like myself I assumed maybe bigger font was more believable or easier to understand for some.

Bombshell-Pfizer documents. Massive amount of adverse events.
https://youtu.be/7YOD9drZasM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IRiyfSwzLU

We gave 100 people who didn’t have a headache an aspirin, and because they never got a headache our conclusion was the aspirin worked , that’s their sort of logic .

Brook Jackson: Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial.
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ackson-lawsuit

Hmm, will it all just be swept under the rug with Fauci and company just given a pass?? Most likely, unfortunately. :mad:

Good thing this was forced/coerced on people, especially our youth, who didn't need it in any way. :mad:

https://twitter.com/DowdEdward/statu...Cr-df0pNkpAAAA

Irv, the Kid came out a song today, believe you might enjoy it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyFnLqJx-uU

I didn't check the link, but I didn't need to. I could have told you that people under 18 (and even under 30) didn't need the vaccine within 9 months after Covid started, based solely on the numbers in the CDC's own website.

LOL, good for Kid Rock. Maybe he can be relevant again for a short time.

Read some real science by real scientists not the fear mongering contrarian ignorant out of context soundbite bullshit.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/new...vaccines-safe/

You mean another 30 years.....yah i guess in the history of mankind that could be considered short.

Not a bad run for a punk from Detroit.

Good for Kid Rock.
I'm sure, like a lot of people can, he sees the control and power that "they" want so bad over the people. Liberalism is a disease and there is no more corrupt, crooked and evil party than them.

Exactly, but because people are too lazy and lack critical thinking skills to look into things on their own, they just park their asses in front of their funded by Pfizer T.V. screens and think what is being spewed to them is factual, true and unbiased. Like I said before, it's not hard to see what party is pushing the vaccines, mandates and passports onto the people, (control) but, of course, they don't think anything of it because they've all been brainwashed into believing they need the vaccines or they are going to die.
This is right from our govt's own website. Like you, I wish someone could point out where it reads it is imperative to get our children vaccinated, let alone anyone healthy??
" Healthy young adults, adolescents and children who contracted the virus have been the least likely to develop severe complications from COVID-19, including death. In fact, 100% of the COVID-involved deaths of Canadians under the age of 45 as of July 31 had at least one other disease or condition certified on the medical certificate of death. The proportion of those with at least one other disease or condition decreases with age, ranging from 93% for those aged 45 to 64 to 89% for those aged 85 years or older"
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/.../00087-eng.htm

Steven Novella, seriously, Peter? Is he, a neurologist, a go to for all medical advice for you? His opinion/take on things is gospel to you?
Nothing to say about the released Pfizer data that they wanted to keep hidden from you for 75 years? Nothing reeks like trust the science that we're going to keep the data hidden from you for 75 yrs.
It's simply mindboggling, especially with all the info out now, that some are still defending these vaccines and believe they actually worked.
Still no long term side affect info yet either but still, to some, these vaccines are a godsend.
The number of cases in the fully vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated are so high now they've quit reporting them. At least they are still showing the numbers in the hospital and ICU's, but I have heard numerous times now, from reliable sources, they do everything in their power to skew the numbers down in those that are fully vaccinated in the hospital and ICU.
https://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/152091

Did you read the underlying study and data Dale, or do you only do soundbites not studies? "They" do everything in "their" power. LOL And you still don't have even a basic understanding of the statistics and what they show, after it's been explained to you ad nauseum for months.

He has done WAY better than I thought. I kinda remember him from the late 90s. More for Pam Anderson than his music.

Dale how long have you felt/known that certain people wanted to take over the planet? Do you have other non traditional beliefs? If you have had these beliefs for several years have any taken place that changed how things happen long term?

It could also be a difference in perspective. Almost everything you call control I
see as an advancement for our society.

Speaking of ad nauseum. Despite what has been presented to you, all the flip flopping, the moving of goalposts, the back peddling, the lies, the censorship, you still don't get it.
Boost away, Peter.

Ben, did you even take 5 minutes to look into/watch/read any of those things I posted or are you so knowledgeable and so cemented in your beliefs, you refuse to?
You're suggesting they are my very own thoughts, my own conspiracy theories like I made them up myself and I'm the only one who believes them.

Use Gooogle, duckduckgo, and read up on it. They are not hidden. Klaus Schwab, the head of WEF, even has his own vids talking openly about the things he wants to do.
Read the comments below the vid. I didn't write them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJTnkzl3K64

You don't find a forced vaccine mandate as controlling? The Supreme Court seemed to think so.

Honestly Dale I don't read any links in these beyond silly threads. We including me are just WAY too biased to be taken seriously.

I do enjoy the topics of conspiracy theories, paranormal, psychics, and the like. I find it extremely interesting on why people believe in such things and how long they have had those beliefs.

So, you just like throwing out insults and calling people conspiracy theorists without actually having anything to back up those innuendos just for something to do then, Ben? :confused:

I don't know about anyone else, but I find your behavior odd.

Dale, I don't disagree there's been a lot of inconsistency and sometimes bad messaging and policy from the government and political side. The reason I like and trust sites like sciencebasedmedicine, which I've read for many years, is that in my opinion the people there are not only brilliant and highly analytical but are agnostic and data-driven.

Dale you are the one calling your self names and have done it in several posts.

I have said my beliefs on Covid and the vaccine many times. Covid has killed several of my friends and has caused long term health problems for others including my brother. I am all for the vaccine and booster shots for those that want them. Pretty simple and consistent.

I didn't realize being called a conspiracy theorist was name calling. I used that term because of your posts about control, new world order, and similar posts about many different conspiracies.

I find the FACT you completely ignore every ones questions. Then just add more links from people I can't even fathom considering a legit source as extremely odd behavior.