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With all the different versions I am not sure there is a realistic way for them to get it correct most of the time. With the 3 different color tints and the huge amount of difference in the darkness of the tints even in the same color of tints, then add in the stencil and box versions it really is just too much. |
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I am not a graded collector and have never sent a card to be graded, but I get why grading companies would not be well equipped to deal with odd ball or non standard items. Since Lemke retired and then the catalogs quit publishing there is no real viable vehicle to get variations/variants widespread hobby recognition that the grading companies can follow
I like the update Mike Cady is doing to the Gilkeson publications but it does not seem to be widely followed. And it involves the same problem of what is or should be the accepted definition of a variation in the hobby. If you just like to collect variations, variants, recurring print defects and print oddities it does not matter much. But if your goal is increasing the value of your oddities I guess PSA or other grading company recognition of them is your only route at present. |
Mention of #381 in April PSA Magazine
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I just received the April 2023 copy of PSA Magazine and was pleasantly surprised to see a call out to #381 in an article titled "Cinderella Men". The writeup is riddled with inaccurate info (and it would have been nice if they had shown one of the versions where you can make out the sign) but nonetheless I figured others here may be interested.
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Thanks for sharing.
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Let’s do a little test to see if anyone here has what it takes to become a PSA card grader. I’ll post some images of graded 1989 Fleer Randy Johnson cards and ask members to identify the correct label. PSA labels the different versions of the cards Ad on Scoreboard(AOS), Ad Partially Obscured(APO) and Ad Completely Blacked Out(ACBO). Please guess which of the three labels is used for the posted cards. Are you PSA material? We’ll start with an easy one.
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2) 2012 Donruss Derek Jeter 3) 1910 T210 Joe Jackson 4) 1999 Fleer Tradition Wade Boggs 5) 1983 Donruss Jose Canseco I would bet these are as close as PSA got.:eek::D EDIT: To add they are all Add Completely Blocked Out but as someone who has collected a lot of these cards PSA is about 50/50 on getting them correct. |
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Steve and Ben are both correct, but they are not PSA grader material.The cards are all examples of the common version and what should be labeled as Ad Completely Blacked Out, but instead they are labeled as all three of the different PSA versions.
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Round 2, let’s try again. Are these cards Ad on Scoreboard, Ad Partially Obscured, or Ad Completely Blacked Out?
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I actually just found a nice stack of these and literally never noticed the "Black Box" version until I started looking (knew the others) - was kind of cool to find! |
I also vote for "Ad Partially Obscured" on all of these round 2 cards. From my recent experience with PSA this is the only label they are putting on any Marlboro cards for me these days.
Being that it's Friday I figured I would waste a little time... A while back someone asked me about light on the clear version card. I recorded a little clip that others may be interested in seeing too and posted it up on YouTube. It doesn't have sound, but I threw captions on it. I guess you need to turn on the captions though... sorry, I probably should have just recorded audio. Also, sorry for the jittery camera it was just taken on my phone. https://youtu.be/R0BaA8letSE Steve |
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Dylan was 100% spot on. Despite these cards all being examples of error variations, with a couple actually fairly lightly tinted versions, PSA has slapped the Ad Completely Blacked Out label on all of them. We have a new PSA grader in our midst!
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I have missed a few pages so if this was mentioned already, please forgive me. I was perusing 22' Topps Heritage and saw this one.
I am thinking this has to be on purpose as a designer joke - https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bsMAA...zg/s-l1600.jpg Even Jeter got in on the action - https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/j54AA...JP/s-l1600.jpg |
Surprised to see these listed by multiple sellers. Paging Rich Klein...
https://www.comc.com/Cards/Baseball/...board)/1950804 |
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You can't even search the site by recent listings of specific cards.:mad: |
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Another image of Randy with cigarette ad?
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I’m not sure how we missed this one!
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I missed out on the flash sale of these early wax boxes at BBCE but won this one over the weekend at HA. Has anyone seen an earlier date than 83222 on these?
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awesome steve. sorry i missed that flash sale, too!
hope you get a cool marlboro, let us know. |
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It looks like another clear card surfaced recently. Were you the one who ended up winning the auction Steve?
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/37515298329...Bk9SR_K-sJ6fYw |
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According to 130point.com - sold for Best Offer of $2500.
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Yes, I purchased the card. I received a notification as soon as it was listed on eBay and sent the seller a message offering him 2k for the card if he wanted to sell it before the auction began. He didn't respond to the question and I eventually started bidding on the card. The day before the auction ended the seller reached out to me and wanted to know if I would still like to buy it outright. I told him I would and ended up paying 2500.
This is the first clear one I was able to handle raw and it was a thrill to unpack and compare against the others. I've sent the card to PSA and was going to wait until it came back before posting anything here. I do not expect a high grade on this one due to its lack of centering and corner/edge wear. The sign quality is excellent though (same as the others). I will post a scan when I get it back (supposedly by the week after next) but in the meantime here are a few pictures of the raw card. Steve |
Cool card - congrats! I 1000% agree about being able to see the card (like this one) in the raw. Easier to examine it.
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Thanks everyone! Hatorade: Funny you should mention that. Yesterday this video popped up on my phone - one of those ones that get automatically generated every so often. It's aptly titled "people I like to photograph" over the last 4 years. I bet you can guess "who" it's about...
I posted the 35 second clip on YouTube in case you're interested: https://youtu.be/jbCXZeetz0Y?feature=shared Steve |
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The grade just popped this morning. Here is a picture of the newly slabbed "clear" one. The grade is about what I expected -- my guess was 6 or 7 -- and I'm very happy to have it slabbed. One notable part of this one is that it is the first of the 4 known clears that will have its slab viewable when you search the cert number on PSA's site (it is not there yet but should be in next few days). The other 3 were graded prior to this feature.
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Thanks Ben. Yes, I think the clear (and aquamarine) ones are extremely rare but this (3rd find in the last 4 years) supports that there are likely more out there! I think this seller knew exactly what he had. He mentioned the rarity of the card and what it could go for if graded but didn't want to grade it himself. Having the uncertainty of an ungraded card that would be worth more graded and relying only on low resolution pictures made this one of my riskier purchases. It ended up being worth the risk but could have easily backfired on me - I was pretty anxious until the card arrived and I had a chance to view it under the loupe! |
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