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UKCardGuy 08-28-2024 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2457119)
Yup, just another mystery in Trench's rich history....

Why is the 1950 Phillies version made with such nice thick substantial felt, while the matching Yankees is almost like soft cotton that you can practically pull apart with your fingers?

If you really want to torture yourself, try getting that Yankees pennant to slide into a rigid toploader. And be sure to set aside at least an hour. :eek:

I haven't had the pleasure of getting the 1950 Yanks pennant into a toploader yet. Something to look forward to tomorrow :-)

Just checking is the 1950 Yankees pennant by Trench or Epstein. I had a note that it was Eptsein Novelty from when the topic was discussed starting in post #7173

thetahat 08-28-2024 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2457318)
I haven't had the pleasure of getting the 1950 Yanks pennant into a toploader yet. Something to look forward to tomorrow :-)

Just checking is the 1950 Yankees pennant by Trench or Epstein. I had a note that it was Eptsein Novelty from when the topic was discussed starting in post #7173

My guess would be neither. I suspect Domer will disagree, though, and he may know better given his research. The black pennant is Trench, the red has nothing in common with it besides the player graphic.

Domer05 08-29-2024 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2457337)
My guess would be neither. I suspect Domer will disagree, though, and he may know better given his research. The black pennant is Trench, the red has nothing in common with it besides the player graphic.

I think the best argument out there is, yes, Trench is the manufacturer of both. :)

For me, there's too many similarities between the two pennants to ignore. The tapered four-digit year on the tail-end of the pennants is identical, both in terms of location and script. Trench did this throughout the 1940s and 50s. it was practically their signature in those days. See below.

As to the artwork of the catcher + runner duo--it's pretty much the same on both pennants, too. This is a significant connection, for me. I don't know if it was original to Trench's art department, or they simply copied it from a team publication or logo, but ... the fact that it appeared on at least one Trench pennant suggests they would have no objection to its further use on another design. I know that's simple logic, but it makes a lot of sense doesn't it?

I can't speak to the composition discrepancies you all noted; however, the Phillies and companion Yankees pennant were both league championship pennants, i.e., they were made for and sold at the world's series. This means the manufacturer had limited time to make these. They undoubtedly would have cut corners here and there. They may even have contracted with other printers in Philadelphia to make some, which would explain why the felt may not look like that which we'd expect to come from Buffalo, NY (Trench). We've all seen evidence before of this. Might that just explain why these were composed of unusual materials?

Maybe that paper thin cotton-like stuff was super cheap? Maybe it absorbed the ink better? Trench was known for being an innovative company and they experimented with several types of felt throughout the 1950s.

cmoore330 08-29-2024 01:58 PM

I picked up a great group of football and baseball pennants. I know that at least a couple of them are really good, but would love some thoughts as I'm more of a college guy.

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drmiraculous 08-29-2024 02:19 PM

Picked up a Montgomery Rebels pennant recently, not sure why it is so tough to find Montgomery related items but I was happy to snare it!

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Fballguy 08-29-2024 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cmoore330 (Post 2457560)
I picked up a great group of football and baseball pennants. I know that at least a couple of them are really good, but would love some thoughts as I'm more of a college guy.

The Giants Playoff and Bears are the rarest. The Eagles and Browns are really good too but not as rare. I'll let the baseball experts speak to the baseball though that's not a Pirates you see every day.

thetahat 08-29-2024 05:19 PM

Those are all fantastic, and most of them are very rare. I can’t say that I’ve ever seen the 1958 pennant and that’s in great condition … those tend to fade easily. Great pickups!

Vintagedeputy 08-29-2024 09:04 PM

I’m a Giants football fan and I love those pennants!

ooo-ribay 08-29-2024 09:54 PM

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Cool, but I guess not surprising, that the baseball Giants have the exact same font.

bocca001 08-30-2024 06:34 AM

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Nice, Casey!

Was this part of a big find? Were all of the pennants about the same age/era? I ask because the Bears pennant is of a style that many of us believed for a long time was from the 1940s or early 1950s (and may still be). They have been found for several teams from that era, but not all. And they are rare.

Then one showed up for the Atlanta Falcons??? 1965 or so? It could be something the pennant maker made in the style of the older pennants, but it seems like an odd design to pick because it is uncommon and only 3/4 size.

Here is Rob's Falcons pennant and my 49ers.


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