Jon’s Tigers Keezer didn’t bring much.

His "Pittsburgh" made up for it.

Didn't it have a large dark stain in the lower left portion?

Just going from memory, but think I remember ruling it out immediately because of the blemish. If he ever provided more than one solitary photo, it would be easier to ascertain the condition.

I just looked….it did. The crazy thing is, I think the SF Giants Keezer would go for 20x that much. I think Marc may have the only known example. One of my Holy Grails…

Just came across this White Sox pennant. 33”. Described as 1930’s. Thoughts?

Looks legit and possibly older, although this is one that needs to be held to have a better idea. The tassels with the fishtailed tips are similar to a 1910s White Sox that I have.

Agree....

Assuming it's legit, it's likely from the teens. Oversized pennants were all but gone by 1920, and I'm not aware of any authentic oversized examples from the '30s.

It would help to see a blown-up photo or see it in-person. Looks pretty cool despite the simplistic design.

Yeah this looks more like a tough call to me as I examine more closely. It appears that the letters were cut and embroidered, and if that’s the case they look almost too neat and straight to be of the era. I agree with Mark that even a closeup would probably reveal the truth. What’s weird is, this was auctioned in that group of three?

It was actually a group of nine. 7/10/08. I found those on Pinterest. Yes, Pinterest :p I had always thought Pinterest was a “chick site” but I’ve found a lot of stuff on there that relates to other interests of mine (motorcycles, construction, cars, etc.). A search of baseball pennants didn’t yield much but those popped up.

My favorite Cubs pennant logo … now being auctioned with a high starting price. I hope the bears at least know each other …

These ASCO played pennants are sooooooo cool. Would love to know if there’s a checklist of sorts anywhere.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11563272066...LyeYQ&LH_BIN=1

That is cool. I just wish they were full size……like my Mays :cool:

I could start a whole new tread, but I won’t….if I did, it would be titled “So glad I don’t collect cards”….I just scrolled through a 430 page catalog….380 pages of cards, some Pokemon and not one pennant. Literally ANY card can be had if you’ve got the $$$. Meanwhile, pennants and the other stuff I like can only be found through diligence, networking and good luck. I guess I’m saving a lot of money. :p

The auction houses have been extremely disappointing lately.

A lot of the rare/good ones have all but dried up. As an example, you never see oversized teens pennants anymore (on eBay, catalog auctions, or anywhere else).

Much of the “drought” may be that auction houses are more aggressively pursuing cards these days. They are easier to store, easier to ship and are realizing crazy prices. Makes little sense, given that most anything aside from a Wagner or Plank can readily be found any day of the week.

Collecting memorabilia is much harder work and requires lots of luck these days. Huggins & Scott always has nice pennants (last night being no exception), but the “Big Boys” in the hobby have been pretty pathetic.

Hey Mark - remember Oregon Trail? Who were those guys? I used to love seeing the oddball memorabilia in their auctions.

They were fantastic. I recycled most of my old catalogs a few moths ago. But could not even think of tossing those Oregon Trail Catalogs. It was a plethora of memorabilia at its very finest. Magnificent pennants, trophies, statues, ad signs, broadsides, arcade games, early bats and vintage equipment.

Mastro bought the company from Scott Jaimet, and renamed it Mastro-West. They were able to maintain the quality offerings, but I think it only lasted for one or two auctions before it was dissolved. I wish there was a time machine that could take us back to the early 2000s. The great stuff was readily available and there was so much eye candy, you really had to prioritize what you planned to pursue.

So different from today, where you hope and pray there's just one or two memorabilia items to go after, while avoiding a "bloodbath".

Better days! :rolleyes:

Dang ... you guys are really bringing me down :(

Well, here's some uplifting content featuring pennants that aired on ABC World News Tonight (last night): https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/mad...eason-94897848

That should cheer you up, Mark! :p

Well, if we are talking about hopping in time machines, lemme go straight back to the teens where I can hoard all the oversized pennants. ;)

1951 All Star game pennant
 

Hi Guys:

I am not a pennant collector per se but I was watching this pennant in a small auction. I collect Richie Ashburn stuff and he was listed on it, so I figured I would try to pick it up.

It went for over $600!! Has anyone seen this before? Is it super rare or something for it to go for that price or is it a $2000 pennant and some guy got a bargain?

That's a bit high for this pennant in this condition. I would've thought $350 - $400, given the obvious flaws that detract from its aesthetics.

I sold mine (in MINT condition) for $550 about a year ago. Just another regretful selling blunder on my part. :o

I posted these in another thread, but since I have the pics readily accessible, just thought I'd inject some life into this great thread.

Here are some early athletics pennants...

Anyone else have Philly Athletics Pennants they'd like to post?

^^^ They’re all great but the condition of the vertical one is off the charts!

So cool! Oxford goes way back, right?

No way a blunder, Mark, just the market doing its thing. And think of the great stuff you bought with the proceeds! As I've said often, I'd like to have back just about everything I ever sold, but time doesn't work that way...

Wonderful display!

Hmmm … let me look … LOL

The first two pictured below are 100% embroidered. The top has a tag on back from Gimbels department store which was a fixture in Center City Philly for years. The second (possibly my second best) is even a tick bigger than typical oversized pennants, there are three sets of tassels, one directly in the middle of spine. The felt is thick, almost the feel of an army blanket. The spot is camera flash. … third is oversized and the rest are normal. Bottom two are WGN variations, they have multiple versions of a few teams (inc. Red Sox and Browns)

Mark, yours are unreal. The second to last in your pics, that looks like it comes from the maker of the “BBC” series. Beautiful.

I was watching that auction. I put in an early bid but it went way too high esp considering it's condition.

I did manage to pick up this 73 Pirates Team Pennant. It arrived yesterday. It's nothing very rare but the price was right. I'm enjoying picking up team photo pennants. :)

I know of at least three ‘51 ASG pennants, all by WGN. The bottom two and a version like the one on top (which is 1950) with names in a book. Rick had it for sale at the National, I believe. … they made them in different colors, too. I really dig WGN.

Edit: These give us some insight into WGN’s erratic inclusion of tassels. The 1950 ASGs were made without tassels, and are similar in style to the series pictured which includes the 1951 dated Cubs anniversary pennant. They seem to have made the 1947 ASG pennant at Wrigley and also the East-West Negro League ASGs at Comiskey. No tassels. The 1951 ASGs have the thin tassels and the wide spine like the ones they made in the 1940s. In short, it seems as if they had no standard practice, at least for awhile. But the graphics are definitely WGN.

Gary that’s cool, but isn’t it a ‘71 Pirates? That’s what it says on the pic. Looks like cloth that has stayed very clean.

Photo pennants are very much under appreciated. I think they are way cool. The 1960-61 Trenches even use the flocked velvety graphics.

I don’t think Trench made any photo pennants for the Red Sox, Milwaukee Braves, Giants, or Cubs.

Amazing, Greg....

Love them all... especially the Batter inside the Diamond. Just beautiful.

And I've never seen that WGN alternate version from the 1951 series (with the more realistic elephant). Have you found a Cardinals example yet?

Good points... thanks Hank. Hindsight and lamenting past decisions really are a waste of time and energy.

Much appreciated!

Nope. I think I’ve seen it twice. Last time was maybe 6-7 years ago and it was beat up.

What's the story on the Reds "mascot" on the WGN?

Good question. I have no idea. But it’s undeniably awesome.

I have posted this before … the back cover of a 1956 baseball instructional book for kids included most of these WGN logos. The Reds was a bit too violent for the utes so they replaced it with the Keezer Reds.

Yes, it is a '71. That's my bad. I have a 73 Tigers Team pennant on the way too and I'm confusing myself. You're spot on about it being cloth too.

Hey Mark, how much would a WGN Philly A's go for in clean shape? Both versions.

Great question. They've really dried up in recent years, so I'm not sure if traditional pricing applies any longer. But I would think around $250 - $300 for the cartoonish elephant mascot, and $400 - $450 for the rarer "realistic" elephant.

Just a somewhat educated guess... perhaps others here feel differently. :confused:

I think this, too, is a WGN from the mid-late 1940s. Much more common, as you know.

That Connie Mack pennant is one of the most aesthetically pleasing pennants ever made. Gorgeous. On another note, the vertical designs never made much sense to me. How do you wave these pennants? I have one vertical pennant from the teens (or earlier), much less appealing to the eye, banished to the door to the heater because it doesn’t fit with the others’ display.

Geez Greg...

How big is that damned room? Just when you think you've seen it all, there's another nook, cranny or entire wall you've never seen before. :confused:

That's a good point about vertical pennants. Perhaps they were made more for hanging on a wall than waving at the game. Regardless, I'm glad someone thought to invent them!

I sometimes forget the magnitude of Greg’s collection until he posts panoramic pictures, like he has recently. And, look! Even though he’s not a Giants collector, he’s got that super tough one, hiding behind the post.

Greg and Mark are whales.

I'm snowed in, so maybe it's a good time for some Trench Giants minutiae. This may be of interest to no one other than bocca, but who knows? And bocca may have already figured this out...

I'm not smart enough to type text, add pics, type more text, add more pics (maybe you have to "embed" the pics to do that?) so I'll do a few posts.

I have eight examples of "The Giant on the Bridge." I'll occasionally buy another with a new felt color or a new lettering color. I'm not too concerned about spine color although, coincidentally, 7 of the 8 have a yellow spine and only one has an orange spine. Anyway, here's the minutiae....I just noticed that if Francisco has what I call the "backwards F" (green example), the "Giants" will always be bigger than with the other F. My "Giants on the Bridge" are split 4/4 between the two types and this is a consistent pattern. Can anyone show an anomaly?

Trench Giants minutiae #2...

The "left handed batter" also was done with different F's although the backwards one seems much more rare. Of the eight left handed batters I have, only one has the backwards F. That one also has the biggest "GIANTS." The two lines of "text" vary in length and size on the other seven, meaning there were different screen designs.

And, oh snap....I just noticed the two forward F's I've shown are different. :p

And, finally, the forward F's on the 3/4 (black) and horizontal bat varieties are different again. I'm assuming the horizontal bats are also Trench?

We're all pennant geeks...I hope at least some of you found my observations interesting :p. If you're also snowed in, check your specific team Trenches for oddities.

Oh, hell...let me show this one, too. 3/4 size and presumably Trench but a very unique graphic. I'm kinda proud of it. :p

Oh Rob...

Those astute observations will only cost me time and money. I thought I was good with what I currently have, but now have the perfect excuse to shop around for a Christmas gift to myself.

I'm probably missing a bunch of those subtle variations, and gotta satisfy the itch. At least none of those pennants are too pricey (yet).

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I have to admit, Rob, that I never noticed the two different forward Fs. At least, as Mark noted, these tend to not cost too much. Most can be had in the 40-75 range if you are willing to wait (other than the horizontal bat, which can cost more).

And, Rob, you are cracking me up with your willingness to attribute these all to Trench and then give me so much grief about the Keezer mini :)

The most noticeable difference between the two forward Fs is the change in hairstyle from late 50s early 60s "high and tight" to mid-60s Beatles mop top.

Dick VanDyke Show reference? :p We’re old. :o

I actually went down this rabbit hole yesterday. I decided to save a bunch on ebay to make sure I had them. I did, but I picked up a purple LH batter…..at least, I hope it’s purple….the seller didn’t answer my question but I had to get it before maybe bocca swooped in!

I’m basing that on the font. I don’t know if we’ve “attributed” the horizontal bat before…

Speaking of the Dick Van Dyke Show, while staying on-topic with pennants...

Is this not a dead-ringer for Buddy (Morey Amsterdam)???

^^^^ totally!

That show was gold.

Yes I was psyched to pick up that Candlestick pennant. So hard to find. The NY Giants pennant is another toughie, I see this now and then in 3/4 size but this was the only I’ve seen full size and got it a long time ago.

Good stuff. I only have one Giant on Bridge pennant, its a weird turquoise color. The Mullin Giant has some subtle differences, looks like he wore a belt in NY but got rid of it in SF, also changed his undershirt and socks … LOL

If you're anything like me, you've got a stack of lesser condition and/or "why did I buy this" pennants that you don't know what to do with and aren't worth the time and effort to sell. Well, I think I've found the solution and with Christmas right around the corner, the timing couldn't be more perfect.

You're welcome!

Hey Greg, I have a nrmt mint full size version of that Giants in black felt. I can't post pics on here because evrything is on my phone.

PM sent.

You should be able to post from your phone.

Nice … would love to see

I've seen it. It's real and it's spectacular.

(For those of you who watched Seinfeld)

I got this weird one a couple weeks ago, I know you SFG guys have it. What happened to the dude’s legs?

1966 All Star Game. Busch Memorial Stadium. 103 Degrees. He was melting. You can see it in his face.

That is a tough one, Greg. Oooribay has an orange one that is on my want list.

Here is a Cubs version (not mine). I've also seen Pirates. Very strange series. For the Giants, it seems to be the last use of the left-handed batter used by Trench for so long.

I never noticed the leg issue. I like that pennant. Yours looks to be in amazing condition.

Noticed something. These weird “everything is Vet Stadium” pennants use the same graphics in the body of the pennant as the 1969 ASCO pennants. Here’s my Mets pennant with the ASCO version below it. Also the Cubs which matches the one you posted. Same with SAN FRANCISCO if you compare to your orange cloth ‘69 Giants. The cookie cutter stadium first appeared … when? Busch? These are all cloth, with cloth spine, possibly 1967-68, who knows. They don’t seem like ASCO quality.

Good pickup, Eagle Eye. Although my moth eaten :mad: Busch pennant and the ASCO are not quite identical.

Interesting … yours is felt, too. Yeah it’s not exact as if they used the same screen, can even see differences in the Mets pennants. But it’s the same general design.

Read description, and zoom in on the spine.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/33466955753...oAAOSwMW5jnibR

He pulled it, which is good.

49ers miner
 

Someone posted this maroon 49ers miner pennant on facebook a few months ago and I've been hunting it down ever since. It arrived today, from Canada. Glad to add it to the group. It's the first maroon version I have ever seen.

Beautiful Niner pennants. One of the coolest pennants in any sport. Especially nice to get it with bold graphics.

St.Louis Browns
 

I know this is a waste of time but does anyone have the Diamond of Elves pennant for sale that is clean? I can only try.

Would you say the body of the pennant was “good”?

I have two, one is a royal blue and the other is burgundy. Both near mint with all four tassels. Unfortunately I’m more in the “trading” market right now, not really anxious to sell. I love STL Browns pennants, am looking for more color variations of the “grommet” pennants with the awesome Apotheisis of Saint Louis logo.

I’d be heavily in the market for an oversized 1910s era Browns, a blue 1944 AL Champs, and a full-size Keezer (same graphics as the 3/4 size in the pic).

It’s actually back up, but without the description. The seller seems like a decent guy. It just looks very new to me.

I only have about 1-1/2 tubs of football pennants, but I have five of these. I noticed that there appears to be two different screens, not just differences in sharpness. Look at the tallest mountain. … One of these is odd in that the logo is mostly gold (as is the football outline) and the tassels are very thin.

Marc, take a close look at the rear stitching on the second one from the bottom in your pic. Am I right that this is different than the others, almost like a double stitch?

That pennant and two of mine are like that, they also have graphics that are less sharp. You can even see it in the letters. I would think knock-off … except that one guy sold off a bunch of 3/4 size pennants that were similar and he bought them all in an old Trench box. More mysteries.

On another note, when I first used eBay there were a TON of mint 3/4 Trench football from the mid 1960s. Like there was a huge find somewhere. Now you never see them.

Hey Greg- that's a nice assortment, and I never noticed the different graphics related to the mountain. I will say that some seem much nicer (amount of color, number of different colors) than others.

It looks like your bottom copy is also maroon. Nice. I still need to pick up a red one with white letters. I've seen a number of those over the years and always tell myself that I'll get one later. But now they seem less common.

The pennant you asked about (with the gray spine) does have something like double stitching on the back.

I have one 3/4 size, and it has that mostly yellow tint (see attached).

I've also seen the yellow tint on green felt. Can't say that I particularly like the color combination, but I'd probably buy it if I saw it :)