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What is going on here??? Sure looks modern to me … could I be wrong?
EDIT: not wrong https://www.ebay.com/itm/22518842759...p2047675.l2557 |
I’m beginning to get freaked out. :p
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This one would benefit greatly from a trim job on the nose and a gray spine and tassels. How does a tip get stretched that much without tearing? |
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Okay so maybe I haven’t been THAT inactive on eBay …
Two super-sized (5-1/2 feet long) 1969 ASCOs popped up. Similar composition to my others except these don’t have grommets. The seller claims these were hung with others at the ‘69 ASG in DC which was initially postponed by rain, causing the noticeable bleeding on the Dodgers spine. (1st pic is from the auction.) Who knows if true but there was a rain out. Maybe it was at an event or something. I’d love to know more about them. Bleeding typically is, for me, a fatal flaw. I can cope better with missing tassels or tip. But I took a gamble that I could get it out. Turns out I had a metal yardstick that fit perfectly in the spine, so I made a 20/80 bleach/water solution and brushed it on it … it worked great with no spotting at all on the underneath blue. Bleeding all gone. That makes 6 teams now and 18 to go. LOL. No shot. But Id love to get a super-sized Pilots if one still exists. I think I saw a Twins somewhere … |
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Because body parts in pennant photos amuse me...
This looks like a crime scene photo. Suburban housewife finally has enough of her husband's excessive pennant expenditures. Her mistake? Doesn't mourn long enough before attempting to cash in. |
Pretty, pretty cool, Greg! Even for…you know…
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Who might have made these? The batter in the moon ball has been done for many teams. A different maker(?) later incorporated it in their pennants.
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I think it is the “mystery NY area company”. I gotta find the pic that someone (you?) posted at some sort of 1960s banquet, behind the podium hung a bunch of team pennants. The top on is definitely from that group, likely the others.
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I don't have this in hand yet...waiting for delivery. But I couldn't believe my luck when I came across this 1936 Yankees Grommet Pennant and managed to win it.
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I'm pretty sure all four were made by Trench/IMPKO, around the time Tom Storm purchased IMPKO and their patented screen printing process. Each pennant represents a blend of Trench artwork + IMPKO's signature coloring; and all appear to have been made in the latter half of the 1960s, when the two companies became one. As far as we know, these were only made for the SF Giants. |
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Makes total sense, Kyle. Thanks for the info….I’ll have to see if I can remember it. :p
I’ve never seen the fielder and the moon before. Interesting. |
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Some changes worked out. Some didn't. Below, here's (1) the tassel-less stadium pennant featuring the LA Coliseum and known Trench batter artwork; (2) a second stadium pennant featuring an alternative depiction of the LA Coliseum by a new artist with same Trench batter and unique "Dodgers" script; (3) the fielder and moon pennant featuring same "Dodgers" script; and (4) a ca. 1960 photo of a vendor selling pennants #1-2 outside the LA Coliseum, with other known Trench pennants. |
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/26592482653...Bk9SR8iRmo73YA |
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I think that these pennants come from whoever made these, it includes the Phillies, pic is 1962-64 (corner of Colt 45s barely visible far right). I just have a tough time accepting these as Trench, given what they were known to make during that period.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/26592800971..._b3YA&LH_BIN=1 This exact pennant just sold in auction on Monday, it’s a beautiful pennant, the bottom tassels were either completely detached or were literally hanging by a thread. Seemingly the only flaw but here it was: https://www.ebay.com/itm/20410323662...app-cvip-panel New owner/seller glued them into place (told me so) but does not mention this in description. I know there is a Tigers collector here and you may (or may not) find this useful … |
Funny story about the guy selling the Tigers pennant. Guy messaged me one day over a pennant I had for sale. Gave me a long story about how he's only a collector needed this pennant for his personal collection. So I sold the pennant for less than what I was asking cause I had upgraded only to have him turn around and list it for about 3 times what he paid for it, lol. Lesson learned. He is also overpriced on his pennants IMO. Link is to the pennant I sold him about a year ago that is still for sale.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/29440031393...AAAOSwdwBhQ2Tk |
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The pennant he repaired was very nice, I wanted it and would have bid higher if not for the tassel issue. (I have it in red but with less vibrant colors.) I display my pennants with the tassels tucked behind the pennant but still, I keep resale value in mind. Now it is glued and up for resale without any reference to it. Lame. |
Tigers Pennant
I made an offer on his green one with the diamond of tigers. He is pretty shrewd. Hopefully nobody buys from him.
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Vintagebaseballco is one of the best sellers on Ebay. Impeccable reputation. They have revised the pennant to reflect the repair.
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Not sure if anyone got in on the player photo pennants that Troy had in the last Mears auction. Some incredibly rare player pennants including Mantle and Banks. Brought good money, but if your waiting for the next ones you may be waiting for a long time.
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Graded Pennant
Anyone else see this up on Ebay? Wonder what standards they used to come up with the grade on it.
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What an ugly presentation. Pennant doesn't fit right in the slab, the inner sleeve is cloudy, and the pennant is annoyingly tilted. Other than that, the randomly assigned "7" slab looks great! :rolleyes:
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It was eBay I believe and they don’t really come up for sale.
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A couple of great scores, Rick.... Congrats!
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I have an unrelated question for all the pennant collectors. A while ago I picked up a Cooperstown pennant that was made for the 1972 Induction game between the Dodgers and Yankees. I mainly bought it because it was the year Koufax was inducted into the HOF. I know they make generic Cooperstown HOF pennants, but was wondering if anyone has or has seen or any other dated years for the baseball HOF induction games? Rick Attachment 537993 |
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Those are great, Rick! What color would you say the 1972 one was originally? :p
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Yup, no doubt.... blue. For some reason, that color on woven cloth pennants commonly faded to grey like no other.
And Rob, I was thinking the same... Trench used that same batter on their 1954 Lopez Limited Pennant. So that's at least 18 years of utilizing that same graphic! |
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Those are great ones. I was talking to a friend during the auction about how nice that Koufax is other than the spine. Doesn’t both leave that much because it’s mint otherwise. Just for info, Koufax comes in at least one other pose. Nice to get the Drysdale too. They are just way too rare to pass up in great condition. Now you just have to keep buying the other Dodgers guys when they come up. I’ve never seen that Yankees / Dodgers HOF game either. That’s the kind of weird stuff I would have been all over if I saw it. Nice pick up. Rare graphics for 1972. |
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I see the Yankees pennant with the gold decorative tassle is finally getting some love for how difficult they are to find. $300 in Jon's last auction.
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I am pretty sure there are at least 4 different Koufax photo pennants. There is the one that was in the Mears auction - I have seen a couple of those through the years. There are also these two that I have shown (from Huggins and Scott) and I believe there is a black and white photo of Koufax used in a pennant as well.
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Jason, I recall a short while ago a bunch of the individual Dodger photo pennants surfaced on ebay, but I never got around to bidding. I think they were in decent shape too. Oh well. |
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Just picked this up. Cheap, cheap! No color ever added to the batter or ball. Graphic by Trench; lettering by IMPKO? I like how you can see they had to first screen the lettering in white, in order for the orange to show on black.
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Someone posted a cool pic on Twitter from the ‘44 WS … never saw that Cardinals pennant before!
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Domer and I had a back and forth discussion a few weeks ago about whether or no Keezer ever made football pennants. Specifically, the 49ers pennant below and others in the series. These mini (5 x 12) pennants are very rare, with full-sized examples being crazy rare. Kyle noted that none of these pennants had a Keezer stamp, which, based on what I have seen, is true. I noted that the materials in these pennants (they have a unique spine/tassel material... as seen on the 49ers pennant tassels) are identical to known Keezer pennants.
Then this "American Knitwear" brochure showed up on ebay, which I bought for a few dollars. Domer can tell us more, but apparently this is the same company as Keezer (from Plaistow NH). It's clear that they were selling both football and baseball pennants. Specifically, 5 x 12 pennants, which is the size of my 49ers pennant. Interestingly, the cartoonish images on these pennants are the same images that IMPKO used on a series of decals (see the decal behind the yellow pennant). Not exactly sure about the connection. |
^^^ those type of brochures are a great help in solving the myriad pennant mysteries.
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Yes, vintage catalogues like this one are huge. So, we now have confirmation that Keezer/American Knitwear made a pennant for all NFL and AFL football teams as of 1964'ish. They also did the same for the original six NHL teams. Moreover, this offering may not have featured a consistent maker's mark identifying their manufacturer as either Keezer or American Knitwear.
I'd like to update my post on Keezer to reflect some of these newly discovered pro football pennants. Can you guys help ID some of the others? Marc's eagle eye already spotted these winners.... |
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Throwback from ~ post 4331. Obtained this Angels pennant that looks to go with the Keezer set below. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...31f193355a.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...7a69eb90c1.jpg |
The Giants^^^ is basically a Holy Grail for me. :o
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There are six Keezer Phillies in this pic, three full-size and three different minis. The one pictured solo seems to be of similar style (and size?) to the mini FB pennants, I haven’t seen this cartoon graphic (which once appeared on a yearbook cover) on anything but Keezer..
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I should add, I have most teams in the smaller 9” Keezers and some but not all of them are stamped on the back …
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Erik- Here is a better image of the Giants (which is mine) and two others (not mine).
A complete (I believe) group of the football pennants sold earlier this year, pennant by pennant. That is when I got the 49ers. Can probably find them all on worthpoint, although they were not listed as Keezer. |
Great stuff fellas. Does anyone have a Reds pennant to show?
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I’ve never seen the Reds in this series…. |
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Also found the white sox
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Stadium Series
If someone wanted to put together a set of the Stadium pennants by Trench, which ones would be needed as some teams had multiples and some did not?
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Spot on. I guess I could add that there is no St. Louis Browns, as that franchise possibly squeezed into the “stadium pennant era” just prior to their demise.
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Wow, I’ve never seen the White Sox or Padres before those pictures. What a scarce set! Maybe you talked about this recently and I’m behind in the thread, but Keezer also had baseball pennants with a similar design to the football ones discussed, correct? Marc, you have an Astros? |
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I guessed that the stadium pennants debuted around ‘56 or ‘57 which would “excuse” the three transplanted franchises. But this pennant throws a wrinkle into that theory … |
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Erik- in my opinion, the football Keezer pennants are similar to this Astros pennant (which also has no Keezer stamp). Same materials and layout.
I've also wondered about this very rare Giants mini pennant being Keezer. It shares some features of these others, but is not exactly the same. |
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Is this Bills pennant full size? Marc's 1964 catalogue suggests that Keezer's/American Knitwear's offering was limited solely to 5" x 12" minis. (No mention of any other sizes.) |
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