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Fballguy 12-30-2023 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2400673)
Just two problems with it....

Mitchell and Ness

We discussed it earlier in this thread (about 3 weeks or so ago). Severely aged to look old.... and outside of the spine, tassels, size and graphics all being wrong, it's a great piece!

I was going to say "Queue The Price is Right "bust" music"...But then I noticed the Mitchell & Ness version doesn't notate "1918".

Even so...Not sure I'd spend $4500 on a pennant that had such a good repro the average collector wouldn't know the difference. Good luck recouping your investment.

Fballguy 12-30-2023 09:44 AM

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Here are a couple originals and a couple Ness's including the one that just sold on ebay. None of the originals I've found have 1918 notated. Maybe someone added it to the Mitchell and Ness version to enhance "authenticity"?

But the give away that this is Ness, in addition to the spine/tassels previously pointed out is the markings on the four bases. Completely wrong on the Ness versions.

Rob

ooo-ribay 12-30-2023 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2400706)
I was going to say "Queue The Price is Right "bust" music"...But then I noticed the Mitchell & Ness version doesn't notate "1918".

Even so...Not sure I'd spend $4500 on a pennant that had such a good repro the average collector wouldn't know the difference. Good luck recouping your investment.

Even the "real deal" is not a very attractive pennant, when compared to the Reproduction Company stuff of the same era.

ooo-ribay 12-30-2023 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2400703)
Gorilla tape works great for re-attaching the photos in photo pennants and looks more authentic than masking tape. :)

It's a little hard to manipulate and align perfectly by yourself (when it sticks, it sticks) but that's why God invented wives. :cool:

I don't know if you're kidding or not. As you say, Gorilla Tape is some very sticky stuff. I would have liked to have the 6" wide clear tape Greg spoke of but, even if I could find some, I wasn't about to buy a whole roll.

As it was, I found my image on the inter webs...saved the image and pasted it into a doc...it was printing kind of blueish until a light bulb went off and I printed it in straight b&w. I then wasted a lot of ink trying to size it perfectly. At one point, I needed to shrink it and I enlarged it. I finally got it right. I left a border and spray glued it (another tedious process) from the back. I'm done.

Fballguy 12-30-2023 12:08 PM

Great job Rob. That looks fantastic!

Wasn't kidding at all about the Gorilla tape. 99% of football picture pennants have the die cut hole so glue isn't really a good option. There's not enough picture border to get a good seal. The tape works great....but you need a couple extra hands.

thetahat 12-30-2023 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2400682)
Thanks for pointing it out guys. As a learning exercise, I tried to compare the ebay fake to past listings with big auction companies:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...a/707-19598.s#

https://lelands.com/bids/1918-boston-red-sox-pennant

I think I can spot the following discrepancies:
  • The spin is a thick spin rather than the thin one that should be there
  • There shouldn't be any "1918" on the pennant
  • The lines on the 4 bases aren't right. They should have 2 lines diaganal down and 1 diaganal across not a "+".
  • The crossed bats don't have the right detail (specifically where the bats cross each other)
  • The lines in the floral pattern around the circles are missing and the floral pattern is the wrong shape.
  • The white of the graphics is grainy rather than solid white
  • It's hard to tell from the photos but the fabric looks too smooth on the fake one

I was going to mention the tassels are white instead of red but I'm pretty sure that the pennant manufacturers used multiple colors for tassels based on the materials they had available.

Have I missed anything?

By comparison are these listings legit?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255378459443
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294201236387

Yes … I’ll add that what makes the white graphics look “grainy” as you say is the fact that it’s clearly not screenprint but the same felt texture as the pennant itself. A clear indicator of a modern production, Collegiate pennants notwithstanding.

UKCardGuy 12-30-2023 05:09 PM

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I don't know if you're kidding or not. As you say, Gorilla Tape is some very sticky stuff. I would have liked to have the 6" wide clear tape Greg spoke of but, even if I could find some, I wasn't about to buy a whole roll.

As it was, I found my image on the inter webs...saved the image and pasted it into a doc...it was printing kind of blueish until a light bulb went off and I printed it in straight b&w. I then wasted a lot of ink trying to size it perfectly. At one point, I needed to shrink it and I enlarged it. I finally got it right. I left a border and spray glued it (another tedious process) from the back. I'm done.

That turned out great Rob. I'm also a fan of spray glue to re-affix photos to the pennant.

All this discussion about photo pennants inspired me to get my photo pennants out.

And here's 4 new arrivals. Am I right to think that the 1948 Indians pennant is less common in green?

ooo-ribay 12-30-2023 07:56 PM

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That turned out great Rob. I'm also a fan of spray glue to re-affix photos to the pennant.

All this discussion about photo pennants inspired me to get my photo pennants out.

And here's 4 new arrivals. Am I right to think that the 1948 Indians pennant is less common in green?

Fantastic stuff, Gary! You have quite a collection.

One last question: on my Giants pennant, the spine was in ruins. Moths? If moths, why are the body and tassels unharmed? The tassels are obviously a different material and the body may be cloth. Is the spine felt more tasty?

bocca001 12-30-2023 08:48 PM

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These clearly had tasty spines. This was the blank (no pic) one that came from the national. I just glued the picture. Both yours and mine were likely unused and sat in a box for many years.

I have another Giants pennant that sadly got some attention from silverfish. They went right for the spine.

Domer05 12-31-2023 02:43 PM

The spines were, by the early 1960s, the only part of a Trench pennant that was still 100% wool. Whatever that woven cloth was made of that was being used for their pennant bodies, didn't appeal to critters at all. But it sure faded easy; and it definitely frayed.

Even the 70/30 wool/rayon blends, which Collegiate of Ames and Chipenco had moved to by the 1950s for their pennant bodies, held up surprisingly well to critters. The Rayon must've been poison! :eek:


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