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ooo-ribay 12-29-2023 03:55 PM

Great info, Kyle and Greg! I finished “restoring” :p my hammered Giants pennant. I’ll post a picture soon.

bocca001 12-29-2023 04:09 PM

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A few months ago, I posted about my attempt at restoring a very faded 1962 Giants team pennant. The dye job ran onto the graphics and I had to (I guess I didn't have to) repaint them. Decided to turn it into a fantasy 1958 pennant. If you had this in hand, it would be clear that it was painted by a true non-artist.
Thanks to football Rob for editing the Falstaff out of the bottom of the team picture.

thetahat 12-29-2023 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 2400535)
In the early 1960s, Trench used a dye cutter to remove the rectangular portion of the picture window. They made so many photo pennants, this machine was a worthwhile investment. As Greg noted, they typically used a photo printed on a cardstock-like paper that was affixed to the back with a pre-cut, rectangular clear tape. Additionally, their photos were, at least in the early 1960s, printed exclusively for their use; and bore their name and/or Sportservice's name on the reverse, along with a team roster/caption.

After 1962, Trench's photo backs no longer bore their name. By the 1970s, they occasionally used post cards, supplied by other vendors, for the photo.

Other manufacturers of course dabbled in photo pennants in the 1960s. ASCO's photos often came from post cards, supplied by other vendors. WGN made a few photo pennants as well; however, they got a bit lazy: they just stapled the photo to the pennant's front-side, thereby bypassing any need to cut the window or tape the pennant. And at least one maker actually screen printed the image of the team photo on to the felt, using half-tones--a printing technique actually pioneered by The Reproduction Co. back in the 1910s. See, e.g., this 1960 NL champs pennant....

Good stuff, Kyle … I’ll just add that Keezer dabbled in picture pennants a bit just for the Red Sox.

thetahat 12-29-2023 06:27 PM

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Ugh

perezfan 12-29-2023 07:38 PM

I knew someone would fall for it. But to that extent? Shame... Sure wish we could still message other people on eBay (like in the good old days!)

ooo-ribay 12-29-2023 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2400631)
Ugh

What’s the “ugh”? Fake? Too much? You had one you sold for 100 bucks?

perezfan 12-29-2023 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2400666)
What’s the “ugh”? Fake? Too much? You had one you sold for 100 bucks?

Just two problems with it....

Mitchell and Ness

We discussed it earlier in this thread (about 3 weeks or so ago). Severely aged to look old.... and outside of the spine, tassels, size and graphics all being wrong, it's a great piece!

UKCardGuy 12-30-2023 05:27 AM

Thanks for pointing it out guys. As a learning exercise, I tried to compare the ebay fake to past listings with big auction companies:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...a/707-19598.s#

https://lelands.com/bids/1918-boston-red-sox-pennant

I think I can spot the following discrepancies:
  • The spin is a thick spin rather than the thin one that should be there
  • There shouldn't be any "1918" on the pennant
  • The lines on the 4 bases aren't right. They should have 2 lines diaganal down and 1 diaganal across not a "+".
  • The crossed bats don't have the right detail (specifically where the bats cross each other)
  • The lines in the floral pattern around the circles are missing and the floral pattern is the wrong shape.
  • The white of the graphics is grainy rather than solid white
  • It's hard to tell from the photos but the fabric looks too smooth on the fake one

I was going to mention the tassels are white instead of red but I'm pretty sure that the pennant manufacturers used multiple colors for tassels based on the materials they had available.

Have I missed anything?

By comparison are these listings legit?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255378459443
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294201236387

Fballguy 12-30-2023 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2400439)
Yes, yes and no.

I would beg to differ on the “pretty good job” on the replacement. Yes, it (kind of) fit but did you see the “vintage” masking tape on the back side? :p

Gorilla tape works great for re-attaching the photos in photo pennants and looks more authentic than masking tape. :)

It's a little hard to manipulate and align perfectly by yourself (when it sticks, it sticks) but that's why God invented wives. :cool:

ooo-ribay 12-30-2023 09:14 AM

On this page alone, I’ve twice asked a question or made a comment on something that has already been answered (1918 Red Sox) or commented on (1946 Cardinals). From now on, I’ll refresh the page to avoid looking like a dope. :rolleyes:


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