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HRBAKER 02-06-2016 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by drcy (Post 1501011)
As I say, if you identify a seller doing one deceptive thing, they are more than probably doing other deceptive things. The sole motive of scammers is to maximize profits.

When you identify a seller doing something highly unethical or highly deceptive you can't knowingly identify all the unethical and deceptive (and perhaps illegal) methods they are using, you just know they are an unethical or deceptive seller. And that should be enough.

That's why I roll my eyes when people on Net54 in effect say "I know this eBay seller is selling items he knows are fake and that he may have made himself, but other items look good and I'm going to bid on those." I think "With all the good sellers out there, why they Hell are you choosing to buy from a seller who you know is trying to scam buyers? . . . And are you then going to come back to this board and complain that the item you bought from him was fake, altered or his his shipping rates were too high or that he may have shilled you or the description turned out not to be entirely accurate? Are you going to say 'I knew he was forger, but how was I supposed to know he'd lie about the provenance and use deceptive pictures?'"
Great post.\edit

SyrNy1960 02-06-2016 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by drcy (Post 1501011)
I think "With all the good sellers out there, why they Hell are you choosing to buy from a seller who you know is trying to scam buyers? . . ."
Because when it comes down to it, if a bad or dishonest seller has something a person wants to add to their collection, they will push honesty, integrity, and ethics to the side, because they want it. Not sure if anyone could stop that from happening.

RichardSimon 02-06-2016 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Hankphenom (Post 1500665)
There's lots more coming on this, and it will turn much, but not all, of what's been said here on its head. Stay tuned.
I think Mr Thomas knows what he is talking about.

begsu1013 02-06-2016 02:44 PM
rea dude retires.
sgc moves company.
cu all but pulls the plug on it's message board. goldfish in the toilet bowl.





"there is no coincidence. there is only the illusion of coincidence."

HRBAKER 02-06-2016 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 3arod13 (Post 1501052)
Because when it comes down to it, if a bad or dishonest seller has something a person wants to add to their collection, they will push honesty, integrity, and ethics to the side, because they want it. Not sure if anyone could stop that from happening.
Why not, you can't simply refuse to bid?
This is not food and water we are talking about here, it's pictures of dead men on cardboard for the most part. At some point, if you keep getting in line to get peed on you shouldn't complain about getting wet.

drcy 02-06-2016 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 3arod13 (Post 1501052)
Because when it comes down to it, if a bad or dishonest seller has something a person wants to add to their collection, they will push honesty, integrity, and ethics to the side, because they want it. Not sure if anyone could stop that from happening.
I use a different logic and say a good method to help avoid purchasing forgeries is to not buy from forgers.

glynparson 02-06-2016 03:09 PM
cu message board
 
just checked working fine for me and people have posted today, not sure what Bob is referring to as plug pulled?

1952boyntoncollector 02-06-2016 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mark evans (Post 1501038)
I agree with those who would commend Leon for allowing this and other controversial threads to run their course.

The most remarkable aspect of the court filing, in my view, is the sheer pervasiveness of shill bidding during the period covered. One can only assume that Mastro engaged in similar conduct through much if not all of its existence. Jeff L should be commended for calling out Mastro officials long ago.

Query whether similar conduct was engaged in by other auction houses as I assume some of the same consignors and shillers did not limit their business to Mastro auctions?

In any event, going forward, it seems to me that the auction houses would be prudent to engage in some form of self-regulation. Assuming they don't, I think there is still a pretty good chance that the Mastro prosecutions will put the fear of God in all but the most brazen fraudsters.
if the fear is selling for years and make millions of dollars and only few out of a hundred people actually going to jail..then yeah they scared..

begsu1013 02-06-2016 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by glynparson (Post 1501075)
just checked working fine for me and people have posted today, not sure what Bob is referring to as plug pulled?
reread. all but pulled the plug. but "works" is a relative term.

impeccable timing to boot a ton of folks that use their voice, deletes thread that indicate internal stinky fish, initiate a so called upgrade that alienates half the board and still isn't working properly. blame the probs on some one else. get called out on it. and then have the audacity to reply w/ "you're just not that important right now".

so, technically it is a "working" ghost town...and timing is pretty convenient for them.

folks are simply fed up w/ the gag order presence and the way it's been run...

which getting back to my original post today is a complete nod to leon and this place.

glynparson 02-06-2016 03:34 PM
Bob
 
That is nothing new that is par for the course over there. Has been for over a decade. Why would they allow people to use a forum on their website to possibly hurt their investors investment? I never quite understood why it shocks people that they don't allow themselves to be harshly criticized on their own website. I dont post over there very often. i post here occasionaly though. I agree this is a better forum.


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