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perezfan 11-09-2023 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2387416)
Here is the painted one, that me, Ooo-ribay, and I'm sure several others would love to find. I think this Dodgers one may be the same maker. Probably Trench, because of what Oooribay calls the "cartoon" font for "Giants" that shows up on a few other Giants pennants.

Yes... I used to have a pennant string with mini pennants of all 8 NL Teams. The colored Giants version and that red Dodgers version (above) were both part of the string. So it's definitely the same maker. Another item I probably should've kept. :rolleyes:

Marc, if you ever do decide to sell or trade that one with blunt tip/soiled tassels please reach out via email or PM!

ooo-ribay 11-09-2023 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2387458)
Yes... I used to have a pennant string with mini pennants of all 8 NL Teams. The colored Giants version and that red Dodgers version (above) were both part of the string. So it's definitely the same maker. Another item I probably should've kept. :rolleyes:

Marc, if you ever do decide to sell or trade that one with blunt tip/soiled tassels please reach out via email or PM!

Soooo…the Seals Stadium pennant with some extra paint was a mini? I kinda hope so. It would make it easier to live without it. :p

Domer05 11-09-2023 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2387416)
Here is the painted one, that me, Ooo-ribay, and I'm sure several others would love to find. I think this Dodgers one may be the same maker. Probably Trench, because of what Oooribay calls the "cartoon" font for "Giants" that shows up on a few other Giants pennants.

Never knew they made a polychrome variant of the Seals Stadium pennant! Funny, they never made a monochrome variant of its Coliseum mate.

The maker was indeed Trench. That same batter re-surfaced on a number of later pennants for the Dodgers and Giants. That said, the general look of these always struck me as a bit different from other Trench-made pennants from the late 1950s and 60s. Maybe a different artist's work?

ooo-ribay 11-09-2023 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 2387481)
Never knew they made a polychrome variant of the Seals Stadium pennant! Funny, they never made a monochrome variant of its Coliseum mate.

The maker was indeed Trench. That same batter re-surfaced on a number of later pennants for the Dodgers and Giants. That said, the general look of these always struck me as a bit different from other Trench-made pennants from the late 1950s and 60s. Maybe a different artist's work?

Domer - unless I’m misunderstanding post #8091, that polychromatic Giants might be a mini(?).

bocca001 11-10-2023 06:00 AM

I've had that multichrome Giants pic saved for some time. Never thought it was less than full size, but maybe? It does have a black spine, which is different that all of the other Giants copies I've seen. Mark- any change you remember if the string was black? And how small (about) were the minis?

ooo-ribay 11-10-2023 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2387521)
I've had that multichrome Giants pic saved for some time. Never thought it was less than full size, but maybe? It does have a black spine, which is different that all of the other Giants copies I've seen. Mark- any change you remember if the string was black? And how small (about) were the minis?

I may be a dope and/or misunderstanding, but post #8091 makes it sound like the Dodgers and Giants, above, were mini’s. That said, you don’t usually see that much detail on a mini.

Marc - can you find that pennant again on Worthpoint and see if the description references the size?

thetahat 11-10-2023 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 2387481)
Never knew they made a polychrome variant of the Seals Stadium pennant! Funny, they never made a monochrome variant of its Coliseum mate.

The maker was indeed Trench. That same batter re-surfaced on a number of later pennants for the Dodgers and Giants. That said, the general look of these always struck me as a bit different from other Trench-made pennants from the late 1950s and 60s. Maybe a different artist's work?

This wouldn’t merely be a different artist, but also the construction is very different. (The spine width, tassels, etc.) … night and day different from the known Trench L.A. Coliseum pennant from this period. Like Arnold and Danny DeVito in Twins …

Domer05 11-10-2023 01:42 PM

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I really think they used a different artist. The normal Trench stadium pennant artwork by the artist we're most familiar with illustrated each ballpark full of fans. These renderings of the Coliseum and Seals Stadium are empty.

But, the batter depicted on these two anomalies was re-used on other Trench pennants, so I have no doubt these are by Trench.

Here's a ca. 1960 photo of a vendor selling pennants outside the Coliseum. You can see the red-variant prominently displayed, along with the more traditional blue one (depicting a full Coliseum), along with other known Trench-made pennants, like that Pirates one. Presumably, this vendor bought all his pennants from the same company ... so, that would be Trench.

bocca001 11-10-2023 05:40 PM

Sorry, Rob, full size.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ants-413000922

perezfan 11-10-2023 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2387539)
I may be a dope and/or misunderstanding, but post #8091 makes it sound like the Dodgers and Giants, above, were mini’s. That said, you don’t usually see that much detail on a mini.

Marc - can you find that pennant again on Worthpoint and see if the description references the size?

OK.... let me clarify. The 2 "Stadium Pennant" examples Marc showed (Giants and Dodgers) are both FULL sized pennants. But it was asked whether these two were possibly from the same maker. Here is my (hopefully) clearer reply...

I formerly had a pennant string of 8 minis (you've all seen these pennant strings that include minis of each team in the league.... right?) Anyway, the pennants on the string included mini versions of the Giants and Dodgers Pennants Marc had pictured. This led to 2 obvious conclusions...

1. They (both the minis and full size) are from the same maker
2. The Giants and Dodgers pennants were produced during the same time frame.

Hope this clarifies it.... The pennants Marc showed are all FULL SIZED.


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