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Domer05 10-06-2023 10:23 AM

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How common might this have been for something made by Trench, or some other larger company? I also assume the screens wore out after some time?

It was common for makers to employ multiple screens (stencils) during each production run; especially when rushing to complete a big order. You had to. And the more colors the pennant required, the more screens/stencils you'd need.

The screens wouldn't exactly wear out from the force of the squeegee--they're pretty resilient. But occasionally, the mesh might tear or develop holes, e.g., if it wasn't stored properly.

When I was researching Salem Screen Printers, I learned a lot about these rush orders and the logistical nightmare that they presented manufacturers. Sometimes you only had 72 hours to print your merch; and then, you had to ship the product to the venue where the retail vendors needed it. To save time, Salem just contracted with local screen printing firms. Salem would develop the artwork; but the final print job might be performed by some Chicago-area firm, closer to Chicago Stadium, where the merch was headed in 1991.

I suspect that was done in the 1960s as well. This would seemingly explain some of the inconsistencies we've been seeing in the pennants made during these rush jobs.

Here's two more from the '63 world series by Trench Mfg. Co. No clue why the "1963" orientation was altered, but it was. Probably one was made/sold in Los Angeles and the other was made in Trench's Buffalo factory, then sold in the Bronx.

ooo-ribay 10-06-2023 05:29 PM

Maybe someone said "1 96 3 looks really awkward"?

rlevy 10-07-2023 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2378812)
Maybe someone said "1 96 3 looks really awkward"?

Only to a Giant fan having to sit this one out:).

Personally, I always preferred the version on the top.

Rick

Hankphenom 10-07-2023 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2378512)
Anybody seen these before? They qualified for my "if you haven't seen it before, you should probably buy it" rule so I took a flier. Can't find any info. Even reached out to Net54's resident Japan baseball expert and he hadn't seen and couldn't find any additional detail. 27" long. Sadaharu Oh and Shigeo Nagashima.

Wow, those are great!

ooo-ribay 10-07-2023 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rlevy (Post 2378944)
Only to a Giant fan having to sit this one out:).

Personally, I always preferred the version on the top.

Rick

I like the dark blue but not the 1 96 3.

Duluth Eskimo 10-07-2023 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 2378743)
It was common for makers to employ multiple screens (stencils) during each production run; especially when rushing to complete a big order. You had to. And the more colors the pennant required, the more screens/stencils you'd need.

The screens wouldn't exactly wear out from the force of the squeegee--they're pretty resilient. But occasionally, the mesh might tear or develop holes, e.g., if it wasn't stored properly.

When I was researching Salem Screen Printers, I learned a lot about these rush orders and the logistical nightmare that they presented manufacturers. Sometimes you only had 72 hours to print your merch; and then, you had to ship the product to the venue where the retail vendors needed it. To save time, Salem just contracted with local screen printing firms. Salem would develop the artwork; but the final print job might be performed by some Chicago-area firm, closer to Chicago Stadium, where the merch was headed in 1991.

I suspect that was done in the 1960s as well. This would seemingly explain some of the inconsistencies we've been seeing in the pennants made during these rush jobs.

Here's two more from the '63 world series by Trench Mfg. Co. No clue why the "1963" orientation was altered, but it was. Probably one was made/sold in Los Angeles and the other was made in Trench's Buffalo factory, then sold in the Bronx.

There was a very large “find” of these back in the late 80’s. Unfortunately, I cannot remember which one was found in quantity.

Duluth Eskimo 10-07-2023 07:55 PM

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This 1962 Giants pennant is... strange. It is on the rare side and I have some questions about quality control. I bought the one on the bottom a week or so ago. My other two have some damage and this new one wasn't all that expensive. The first one I ever bought has the spine bleed. The second one is pretty nice, but it has a hole in it and very strange wrinkles. When I saw the third one (on the bottom) listed on ebay, it looked like it might be in better condition. It turns out that the ebay pic presented the pennant in a very favorable light and it was a kind of dirty. I've managed to clean it pretty well with a wet cloth.

When I put them all together, I noticed a few things. This new one is clearly a slightly different color, even after you take condition into account. And it is smaller (height and length). And the material is kind of different for each pennant.

But the strangest thing to me is that all three have some differences among the batters (see how many differences you can spot). Seems very strange for what was likely a very briefly made pennant. Not sure if this happened because of the screens being copied at some point? There being multiple versions of the same screen(s)? Or.... just natural variation from pennant to pennant when humans are involved.

Quality control must not have been great as with my version they literally cut another piece of screened felt and glued it on the pennant at the bottom. I don’t know what’s underneath, but most likely American League champions.

Fballguy 10-08-2023 11:28 AM

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Much nicer in person. The plastic must've been 40-50 years old. Tape practically turned to dust.

PS...Shipped on 10/1, delivered on 10/7 from Japan. That's faster than mail from Canada.

ooo-ribay 10-08-2023 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2379147)
Much nicer in person. The plastic must've been 40-50 years old. Tape practically turned to dust.

PS...Shipped on 10/1, delivered on 10/7 from Japan. That's faster than mail from Canada.

Beautiful! What size are they?

Fballguy 10-09-2023 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2379207)
Beautiful! What size are they?

10.5" by 28" not including fringe.


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