Some guy accosts a man standing outside his own home and then files a police report? Some people need to take a breath.

You are missing the point. Mr Quarantine. Mr Social Distance. Mr Bullsh-t.

We are taking America back people!!!!


Florida
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...-fla-on-friday

Texas
https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-g...us-11587151475

Ohio
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/us/co...rnd/index.html

Minnesota
https://kttc.com/2020/04/17/walz-ann...-restrictions/


Ohio racetrack owner my hero:

"I'm not asking, I'm opening!"

You can be quarantined and take out your trash... I guess it's too much for some people to handle though.

and out come the Fredo defenders.

can't you just admit he got busted.

he tells America every night how he can't see his wife blah blah blah and then seen in public with her.

and no he can't take out the garbage, because now his germs could effect the garbage man.

you brag about sitting in your basement self-quarantined, then sit in your basement self-quarantined.

let the daughter take out the garbage, or let the garbage sit in the garage for a week or 2 or 3.

no he's sick and engages with a passerby, no matter if the passer by was an idiot himself, Mr Quarantine should have walked back inside, but he's got a mouth that doesn't shut!

As long as you wear gloves or take some reasonable precautions, there’s no reason you can’t take out your trash. Geez. Everyone’s a critic. In America you should be able to be on your own property unmolested. I’m sorry you cannot agree with that.

Again missing the point. Yes he could do that, but he has said (on 4/14 mind you and over and over again):

"I have to be honest, I got a little cocky," Cuomo said. "I started thinking about, 'Oh great, I want to get retested and then I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that and I'm going to do this.' Not the way COVID works... It comes in waves."

The previous night, Cuomo expressed frustration with the fact that he "can't shake" the virus, despite some symptoms improving.

"I'm scared by this. I'm scared by the potential of this and it frustrates me because I can't get out of this basement," he said. "Everybody tells me it's gradual, it takes time – anywhere from two to three-and-a-half weeks, but it is maddening to have this little, stupid fever."


Thus he is a liar and a fraud. Sorry if you can not accept this fact. But as his well respected brother (at least by me anyway), but as the Gov. says these are the facts.

So you believe because he was found outside in front of his house he’s lying about the whole thing? People need a life.

What you lack in intelligence you more then make up for in stupidity......I said he's a liar because he says "I'm in the basement....I have not been able to go near my family"....lies lies.

You’re calling Chris Coumo a liar because he once said he was in a basement and days later he wasn’t in a basement? Geez. Were you the guy in the story who was camping out Coumo’s house to yell at him?

seriously u are f--king with me at this point right? u can not possibly be this moronic.

if you are not messing with me and are serious, god I feel sorry for the person who has to tie your shoes.

no u idiot he said he was quarantining himself, he went outside, was amongst friends and family, with the virus mind you, then gets into a confrontation with someone, then continues on saying I have not left the basement, I miss my family.

If at this point you still don't get it, I give up.

Have you looked in the mirror lately?

I had so hoped this thread (mainly your posts) would die a quiet death. I'll just have to do a better job of ignoring it.

CLCT was at 20 today....maybe time to upgrade 4s to 5s...

Cuomo
 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...upset-about-it


Coronavirus-spreader Chris Cuomo got a lecture for breaking quarantine, and he's upset about it
by Becket Adams
| April 20, 2020 03:41 PM

“Rules for thee, but not for me” may as well be the Cuomo family motto.

CNN’s Chris Cuomo, who announced on March 31 that he has the coronavirus, broke quarantine on Easter Sunday to visit an undeveloped property in East Hampton, New York, a full 30-minute drive from his home in Southampton, New York.

Note that his case of the disease was fully confirmed at that point. He was not just taking a risk in the event that he might catch or spread the coronavirus. He knowingly carried the virus to another town — an act that is not just selfish but also hypocritical, considering Cuomo is the guy who spends his evenings on CNN complaining that the White House’s pandemic response efforts are insufficient.

Maureen Callahan writes in the New York Post:

"As lowly New Yorkers continue to heed Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s orders to stay indoors, at great personal and economic cost, his sick brother decided there was no better time than Easter Sunday to check out undeveloped property he bought in East Hampton.

"Again: undeveloped property. All unnecessary construction is halted. There was literally no reason for Chris Cuomo to be there."

Cuomo himself admits to breaking quarantine. He claims he was accosted on April 12 by a bicyclist who demanded to know why the CNN anchor was out and about even though he knew he has the coronavirus. The way Cuomo tells the tale, it sounds as if he somehow had a leg to stand on and it was this nosy bicyclist who was in the wrong.

“I don’t want some jackass, loser, fat-tire biker being able to pull over and get in my space and talk bullshit to me,” Cuomo said in a SiriusXM interview. “I don’t want to hear it.”

The anchor continued, complaining that the confrontation reminded him that being famous means he does not have the freedom to tell people like that bicyclist to “go to hell.” (Historically speaking, however, telling strangers to “go to hell” has not been a problem for Cuomo.)

“That matters to me more than making millions of dollars a year,” he said, “I want to be able to tell you to go to hell, to shut your mouth. … I don’t get that doing what I do for a living. Me being able to tell you to 'shut your mouth, or I will' — do you the way you guys do each other.”

Remember: Cuomo's SiriusXM tirade came after a cyclist rightly demanded to know why a celebrity virus-carrier was not sheltering in place. Talk about temper tantrums! The cyclist, for his part, tells a different version of events, one where Cuomo was not so restrained and meek as he claims to have been.

“I said to him,” the cyclist recounted for the New York Post, “‘Your brother is the coronavirus czar, and you’re not even following his rules — unnecessary travel.”

The man said that Cuomo responded by saying, “Who the hell are you? I can do what I want!”

Given the CNN anchor’s remarks following the confrontation (“jackass,” “loser,” “fat-tire biker,” etc.), I am inclined to believe the cyclist's version of the story. Then again, given Cuomo's integrity and fact-based journalistic style — I am definitely inclined to believe the cyclist.

So yes, the CNN anchor believes he is above the rules that his own brother, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, is demanding that everyone else follow. Cuomo the Lesser’s behavior is extra galling considering that he uses his nightly CNN program to pretend like he is FDR doing a fireside chat while also railing against the White House’s coronavirus relief efforts.

“On Easter Sunday, you know what?” Cuomo asked on April 8 while yelling at a selectively edited video of President Trump. “I will be sick, and I will be sick for some time to come. … I demand the truth for my situation. I demand the truth for you, as well. Again, too many of us have parents, loved ones, and kids in the balance.”

Four days later, Cuomo drove 30 minutes from his home to inspect an undeveloped property. Four days after that, Cuomo announced that his wife had been diagnosed with the coronavirus.

It is fine if Cuomo wants to attack the White House’s pandemic response. There is plenty to criticize. But the CNN anchor should get his own house in order first.

So, is he faking? You said he was faking.

My initial thought was yes he might be faking. Now no idea.

He sure didn't keep up with the self quarantine that he was preaching, he also lied about not being able to see his family while he was "sick".

And had he not gotten busted he sure would never had admitted to leaving the house.

So lets say he was/is sick. What was with all the I miss my family, I can't leave my basement BS????

He either left the basement because he never was sick or he was sick and went against what he's been spewing, what his brother the Governor has been telling all NY to do.

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Cards just keep ripping higher.

Explosive results in so many genres.

I like it!

Trump calls for USPS rates to quadruple in exchange for loan:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...-report-2020-4

I'm not sure the card market would survive $6-10 shipping costs.

Man, was I wrong. Prices are strong.

There's a reason FedEx and UPS don't touch First Class service - it's a loss.

In order to be profitable, or even just break even, USPS needs to increase their First Class Package rates. This would also mean an increase in Priority Mail services.

Once that is done FedEx and UPS will raise their rates, too.

As for the card market, I think an increase in shipping will actually increase sales as buyers will be more likely to add more to their order to help justify the rates.

The customer service (almost universally) with the post office is incredibly slow and poor. This is a core reason why the post office is in such massive debt. The president doesn't want to continue to bail them out and I agree. All mail should be handled by private entities. The post office should be something of the past, we should just let it die off organically.

My portfolio has never been worth more. I left my money in and fed my account the whole pandemic and I'm sky high as a result. If I'd listened to everyone panicking and pulled my money out on March I'd want to cry.

My postal service experience has been by and large pretty good, covering several post offices over the years. A core reason the postal service is operating at a large deficit is that it was ordered by Congress in 2006 to pre-pay much of its retirement benefits owed to its carriers/workers for 75 years beginning 2006--an onus faced by very few (read none) businesses. Prior to that date it was operating at a profit. Oh, and the 2006 law also prevented the Postal Service from offering most non-postal services--we wouldn't want them trying to get innovative or competitive with our corporate big business friends.

The Internet, with email, phone texts and online payments has of course greatly reduced the amount of mail that once generated revenue for the USPS. It is also arguable that it could extract more from Amazon and similar online retailers by negotiating more favorable terms--although the current ones are not necessarily so burdensome to USPS as they are advantageous for the private companies. But no, I really doubt you want to see privatization of the mail service. The costs associated with starting and maintaining a carrier service of that scale, and of course you expect nothing but top notch customer service, would drive the prices way out of proportion. As for our beloved hobby, you now and always have had the option of sending your cards by USPS, Fed Ex or similar courier. The many threads I've read here over the years tells me that those options are not always foolproof either.

Riots? Looting? I wonder who predicted all this.......oh yah me. Should have never shut the economy down. These people are going to keep doing this every day/night.......not like they have jobs to go to.

Are you talking about what's going on in Minnesota? That has nothing to do with covid-19!

i disagree, it not directly related but lets see all of this happen if everyone isnt wearing a mask. Also if everyone isnt at home for 2 months and no jobs for lots of them gives them a lot more time and energy to head outside into the late hours versus having jobs to go too.

Whats sad is many of the demonstrators or however you will call them and I know there are different groups within the groups have received pay checks from the government while they are looting and buying supplies to loot with government money and also many of the protestors are relying on the same police that they accuse the whole force as police brutality to now protect them from more violent people....weird to need and demand protection from the same people you are demonstrating against

also whats sad is the politics involved...people already saying 'most' people in minnesota causing the violence are from out of town and there is russian influence ....not sure what facts they have to support this.

You think any of those people had jobs in the first place?

100% related to Covid.


What I don't get:

1. Why do the police let the looters loot.......they have a free pass to continue doing it. Don't just stand around. Prevent it or arrest those doing.

2. What the hell is taking so long in charging those other 3 officers.

3. Why our President doesn't step in and do something/say something productive. One thing I've learned over the past few months is he is quite an idiot, not exactly breaking news, but even moreso once the pressure was on. At the beginning of this I was on his side, but good god, this is our President????? He's fine for the job when all is going good, and did some good things during the Covid Crisis, but he serious needs to stay off Twitter, he's not a 27 year girl pop star, seriously ignore the noise and focus on your job.

I'm still for going full blown open it up, enough with the baby steps, cause yes that is fueling these riots. Enough of being afraid of a stupid virus, yes do as much social distancing etc to prevent the spread, but NOTHING should be closed. Live at your own risk. People are sick of being bottled up and here you go....BOOM!!!!

I mail a letter it pretty much gets there in a few days and costs me under a buck. Can't come close to that privately. There are just some things that don't work well privatized, like roads sewers, and political campaigns.

What Todd said about the finances is spot-on.

either in school or had jobs if you look at the unemployment rate before covid

would be really easy for Biden or a female vice president nominee to go down to one of these cities on a loudspeaker and say they are with them and will make sure will pursue reform and they do not not need to be violent etc. It would be great for the campaign and help get more votes i would think

instead he is in his basement.....

Exactly name Oprah or Michelle OBama Vice President and get your ass out of the basement.

Both sides complete chaos.

Or.....can there just be an independent candidate, that beats both these clowns......if it wasn't all tied to money and the rich, I think this would be best for America. Instead we are going to have two grumpy old men, both out of touch with today's world as the 2 choices in November, Lord help us.

Please let's hope a 3rd party steps in.

They made a big deal about that Ozarks party that someone there had Covid.


its quite possible that elderly people are going to die because of the protests and lack of social distancing, there was a outcry when people were protesting about opening up the government due to lack of social distancing...shop owners also were put in jail for opening up their businesses to early.....

i hope that the young people that were protesting get tested and stay away from their elderly family members and elderly people in general or people with health conditions...there has been many mentions about minority communities being at risk to covid already...hopefully there will be some responsibility among the looters and protesters.

I have a friend that says he saw online a few pawn shops with incredible prada and gucci items that just came in....i really question if the method of getting these products was legit as they they all just arrived...maybe ebay next too

I feel like that’s what I’m already paying more times than not....

I rarely watch CNN but watched Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon, and not one of the 3 tonight said protesters should go home at the curfew.

Very interesting how they are fine with the protesters breaking the law.

If the protesters obeyed the law and went home then the police could focus on the looters and arsonists,etc.

So bottom line is these protesters are just as much the problem, and CNN being silent, are as some would say are complicit.

You want to protest during the day fine, but after curfew sorry that's breaking the law. Just a matter of time before they get hurt and then they'll be crying, and CNN will say hey they are just peaceful protesters. No they are not.

Back on Trumps side, once again he doesn't put it eloquently to say the least, but bring in the army.......or this is just going to continue night after night.

And CNN thanks for fueling the fire. Be proud of yourselves.

i would think if i am the organizer of a protest and i know that many looters and rioters are using my cause to wreck my community i would take countermeasures like going home by curfew. Not that hard to do and message is known. The protesters are being used and they are complicit in it for some reason.

I remember in the old days there would be protests after an officer is found not guilty or charges dropped. Not after an arrest. Not saying right or wrong . protests are always allowed.

I also wish these networks would show the faces of these shop owners and workers that lost their jobs due to the riots. communities should ban together not just to protest but to protect their community.

If you mean hyper inflated prices being sold by veterans and bought up by new blood, more than likely trying to exit quickly and higher, yea it will affect cards!

Not sure the protests are affecting the market.

Yah I don't get these Governors, I'm not allowed to go to Church, or to my Gym, or go to a baseball game.......yet they allow 10's of 1000's to go hand in hand and yell in the face of police.....and for the most part allow looting.

I can loot, but can not exercise in a gym.

Are there good card shops in NYC or Chicago or LA?

Might be a good time to pick up a '52 Mantle on the house.

Can I break into my gym and workout?


As long as I come back the next day and help clean up the glass and board it back up.

Any one else notice the looters are not keeping 6 feet apart?

right was a big deal when protestors asking states to open up faster didnt social distance

also that party at the Ozarks lots of news about someone testing positive and shaming them for not distancing

however looters are allowed..

I just have one question why do Gupta & the other CNN cronies not mention a word about social distancing at these protests, yet they are all over it on a Trump press conference if the reporter who like many of the protesters have masks, in fact all reporters do, all protesters do not. Yet not a word.


How can they not say a word not a word about it for the protesters, and they didn't mention it at the church memorial either, same thing went on there, yet god forbid we open a church or gym.

Holier then thou (to quote James Hetfield)

CNNgenda

I think it comes down to why people are protesting and if it carries equal weight compared to something like going to the gym.

Like someone else stated earlier....it stopped being about that man's death after the first day. There are ulterior motives at play here.

Fair point......but I just don't like the this is ok but that is not ok (basically told by the media what is ok and what isn't), I'm not saying drop the social distancing, drop the masks, drop everything, 100% back to how it was.....I'm just saying with what we now know, and with 40K jamming a park to protest, if that is fine, then EVERYTHING should be fine.

Simple answer for those who do not agree: Stay Home.

Let everyone else have the option....have choice.

Let's go back to right before May 1, remember how CNN and several said Georgia is making a HUGE mistake re-opening, it's going to be a disaster. That Governor got pounded.

Welp....over a month later and that sure didn't happen......nor is there mention of it. But had it turned into a disaster, we would have been pounded by that by the media.

And if Baseball players don't get their act together soon.......they are going to let the NHL & NBA show them up. And NBA and NHL players are sweating on each other, slamming into each other, covering each other......baseball by design is already socially distanced, not one fielder is near another fielder.....and the batter to the catcher, well the catcher already has a mask on. How baseball doesn't play comes down to just plain GREED.

I'm sorry but I'll play for my full salary, but not with a paycut, doesn't fly....how many got furloughed, lost their job, or took paycuts. Get your asses out there and do your jobs. Plenty of minor leaguers would gladly come up and take their spots to have a shot. And think of all of the jobs they then are holding up, vendors in and outside the park, security positions, parking lot attendents, etc. etc.....and a lot of these are minority positions as the stadiums are in the big cities.....you want to do something for this movement get your asses back to work to get these people money coming in (and off the street).

And again if you are a player or coach worried, simply answer: Stay Home.

Do you know anyone attending the protests? Have you asked them why they’re there?

You keep bringing up things you want to do, but nobody wants to be at the protests. Nobody wanted what happened to George Floyd to have happened to him or anyone else. Again, I would ask that you consider the motivation behind the things you’re comparing.

Biden has been in politics his whole life, since 1973, what has he done to help the black live matters movement, not necessarily named that all those years, but obviously the police bias has been there all that time.

He even served under a black president. And all this was not addressed then. Or if addressed, obviously not enough done.

So now at 77 he's making this his thing?????

Shouldn't he have made this his thing 6 months ago? He just wanted their vote, not to address anything. Now 'cuz it's in the news he's on it.

Just amazing he is the savior and Trump is the evil empire.

I'm still holding out hope for 3rd party entry, but doubtful that will happen at this point.

I am very anxious for their debates. Gonna be two grumpy old men name calling. Stocking up on the popcorn now.

I havent asked but i think being stuck at home gives reasons to go out, plus not working, plus also school not in session for the student aged people, plus wearing masks makes it easier to attend, plus decent weather, plus its the 'in' thing to do and join the bandwagon makes it easy to attend on the 10th day etc and yes to aid social justice would be some of those reasons.

Biden also commented how obama is well spoken...

Wait......confused.....which doesn't take much.....what do you mean?

First off did you lose your job? did you get furloughed? did you take a pay cut?

Guessing the answer is No to all of the above. So if not, it's very easy to say keep all these things closed.

The things I want to do is what America wants to do, and all the workers and business owners want us to do, so they can get back to work, and not be told they can't because the Virus takes precedent. Yet Protesting/Looting take precedent to the Virus. Then the Virus.....mmmm not so much. Complete media double standard.

I get it, it's a VERY important issue. But all those Mayors and Governors who said we ALL will die if Georgia opens, and those who gasped at the Ozarks pool party, and condemned the Spring Breakers, but if it's a "Cause" then its ok to not social distance etc, and throw everything they said about saving/protecting lives out the window. Complete media/political double standard.

And what Jake said is true, this is the Perfect Storm, you have everything closed so The Place To Be (to quote Frank Costanza) is to be at these protests. A majority I would say are college students who are out of school, watch this die down quite a bit when schools go back in August. Watch. You also have lots of people of out work so they are going to these as well. Open things up then more of these people protesting will be at work not the protests.
And again there are no bars open, no sporting events, not much else to do. What can you do....go to the protests.....hey now there is music and dancing, it's becoming a party, and since everything else is closed.......The Place To Be.

And again this is a great cause that needs to be addressed, and not just forgotten when the next story knocks it out of the media's focus, but people WANT to be there don't fool yourself. They want to be part of this movement, and if it makes a difference finally GREAT!

Well I would suggest you talk to some people participating in the protests and see what they have to say.

i just saw a bunch of college kids at the corner with signs....i am going to assume they dont know how many unarmed white and black men were killed by police last year....they are out of school right now

to me its easy to protest when you are under 22 or whatever years old and school is out and you have zero responsibility and everyone gives you props for 'protesting' especially on day 14 or whatever when everyone is lauded for how great it is to protest

i think you would be surprised how much has changed in the lifes of protestors now versus the protestors in the 1960s ...the racial makeup of the mayors/state attorneys/national guard/police is a lot different then just 40 years ago but you can correct me if i am wrong

its a worthy cause, i not saying there is no racial injustice but to say its like the 1960s when people were risking their jobs and health and not getting instagram follows and likes and celebrity endorsements is a whole different situation ...and the amount of money raised is amazing

if we lower funding on police are we prepared for them to stop using the body cameras.... i thought that was a great thing to do....i think in the floyd matter , there would of been a lot of justice and body cameras would of been available and lawsuits regardless the protests...not sure police departments will want to continue to condone behavior which costs their departments 100s of millions of dollars in lawsuits. ..it used to be when charges were not never brought or the case was lost in court then you would see protesting...

also forget getting millions in future lawsuits when the money stops going into police departments.....i hope people have thought it out..

google it

Ah....I see it now.......now it's starting to make sense why Biden is hiding in his basement & has kept quiet for the most part. Whenever they (Biden or Trump) talk, they just both sound like stooges (shameless plug).

Trump can wrap up this election if he just shows empathy (which won't happen) and/or puts together a commission to address the racial bias problem.

The protesters with the "Defund the Police" signs are just morons. Yah let the community police themselves, that's a great idea.....please test that FAR from my house. Should last about a week. If that.

I was just get used to the New Normal, and now we're gonna have a New New Normal, I can't keep up.

It almost feels like o/t to mention it in this thread after all the politics :) , but the only "stock market madness" lately has been how insanely strong the market technicals have been since the late March lows.

Since 2009 the big money has stayed invested like their money has impunity there. Never seen anything like it in all my years of trading (or before)

We have had artificially low interest rates since then. Money can't sit without earning interest, so it goes into other assets like real estate or the stock market (or high-end cards.)

I've been noticing nice 1960s flannel jerseys that are all original are getting very strong prices lately.

I know the economics behind it. But it still shouldn't be as simple as "interest rates are zero, so I always have a big advantage in the stock market". Someone with the most basic understanding of finance could have seen that for the last dozen years now and made a fortune, and obviously nothing should be that easy.

At least not usually. That was my point though; this is a rare time that it has been.

funny how every day past 3 weeks on CNBC the 'experts' keep saying will have a drawback of about 10%-20%...market is overvalued etc.

If market goes up they dont get criticism, its when you say the market is great and it goes down you get criticism not the other way

It's like a weatherman saying it may rain. He can't lose.

Well said...protests used to be when a verdict came out that people didn't like...someone was elected they didn't like....

In this instance the cops got fired and are being tried for murder. Yet the protest continue. Will they protest if the cops are found guilty too? Makes you wonder.

That may have been how they started, but they have now become protests against systemic racism and police violence across the country. Kind of like the Boston Tea Party - it may have started off as a protest against a tax on tea, but it became something a lot bigger.

Ted

I really wish there was more protest about black on black violence. All black lives matter to me, not just their dealings with the police. Plus if you look at the number of deaths in comparison.

2 of the officers involved just joined the force and on their probation period. The killer cop was giving them orders as he was a 15+ year or whatever veteran. I get that the training was terrible but i wont be suprised if murder charges are not found on the 2 rookies...then we will see some real protesting if that happens..

I like the idiots calling for the Police to be eliminated, like in Minneapolis, those protesters will never be happy because that ain't happening, but if it does that town will burn in a matter of days.

Here's how it will go when you have no PD:


"911, what's your emergency?"

"My house is being broken into and I think they have guns."

"Ok, stay on the line, I have thoughts and prayers on the way."

LOL......yep...that's pretty much it. No police is akin to socialism. Everyone wants it until they live it and realize how crappy it is.

That is not, in fact, what is being called for. If you want to learn about the movement, which is admittedly very poorly and inaccurately named, you can go here:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...olice-1007254/

The basic idea is the police would continue to perform the function you are joking about, protecting people and property from violent assault, but they would no longer do a lot of the things we've come to expect them to do and which they aren't really trained to do. From the article above:

"Police themselves will admit this — that they are being called to respond to situations beyond the scope of their job. “We’re asking cops to do too much in this country,” Dallas Police Chief David Brown said in 2016, after five of his officers were targeted by a mass shooter. “Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it… Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops… That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”"

You focus on preventing problems caused by social forces like racism, poor education, and poverty rather than relying on heavily armed people to deal with the consequences of those problems even though it's outside of their training. So you take money from the police and shift it to after school programs, addressing homelessness, treatment for mental illness, drug abuse prevention and treatment, and things like that. Makes sense to me, but it's a stupid name because it leads people to draw the wrong conclusions about what it intends to do.

i agree with helping with the society's ills, schools, housing, poverty etc but have you seen how the money is actually spent and how many deaths have been caused by police versus by citizens on citizens...the mayors and many politicians keep promising to shift money to these areas for years and now they are blaming the police....

I don't think you need to cover all things at all times. This protest and movement is about something specific and we've already seen reforms take place, with others up for vote in their respective state and federal governments.

If you feel so strongly for your causes these protests should give you hope that your protest may be successful as well.

however if there is focus on one thing and its like 5 down on the chain...there is only so much money and attention people will go all in for a period of time...theres an opportunity cost of focusing on one thing which may not be the ideal thing by far

If these issues are important to you I would urge you to organize. Protests are meaningful.

next time people are stuck at home for 4+ months and no sports and government pays several trillion we will get another chance.....happens all the time i guess..

right now there are the haves and have nots in terms of organizing and raising funds....if you fit certain criteria you have a much better chance for that to happen...

Anytime anyone links anything from Rolling Stone I immediately think of the National Enquirer. Nothing but BS. In the 70’s it was the only source that expressed the real views of world events and music. Today, just another liberal mouth piece owned by leftists. I’d trust CNN or gas station sushi before I’d ever read RS again.

Fine. Is Forbes magazine far enough to the right for you?

KEY FACTS

In its most general definition, “defund the police” means to redirect some funds for police departments to other areas such as education and healthcare while its most radical interpretation calls for completely dismantling police departments and replacing it with a social services-based approach, which Minneapolis may be on track to doing after the City Council voted to disband the city police department.

At first glance, it appears to be a reaction to police brutality, but its origin runs deeper: left-leaning activists and academics have argued for decades that the U.S. spends far too much on security and not enough on social welfare.

At all levels of government, the U.S. spends roughly double on police, prisons, and courts what it spends on food stamps, welfare, and income supplements, The Atlantic reports.

Some “defund the police” proponents argue the U.S. relies on police to do too much; they envision mental health workers and nurses responding to drug overdoses, instead of police officers.

Cities such as Eugene, Oregon, Austin, Texas, and Camden, New Jersey have tried versions of this approach, and Minneapolis could be next: the Minneapolis City Council on Sunday pledged to disband its police department and invest in community-based public safety programs, though it’s not clear what the next steps will be.

For now, though, “defunding the police” appears most likely to succeed as reducing — not defunding, which implies zeroing out — police budgets. On Wednesday, L.A. Mayor Eric Garcetti announced he is throwing out plans for a massive police budget hike and redirecting funds to address problems in the black community.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbre...-really-means/

You are claiming that social welfare is needed. Can it be as simple as the black community raising kids without fathers?? Some of these young women are having 5 and 6 kids with nary a man in sight. These kids are being raised in poverty from the get go. Naturally, most resort to crime as it is the easiest path to embark on.

Let's talk about social welfare. Aren't we seeing social welfare at work right now? Isn't it keeping millions of people from the brink of homelessness? How many people are on unemployment, collecting an extra $600 a week to keep them afloat? How many people are having their evictions stayed? Their foreclosures stayed? Taking advantage of the government suspending student loan payments? Eating free meals provided by public and private assistance? Getting free medical tests? Taking out free small business loans?

Where would the country be right now without social welfare?

Absolutely , but the working class is/will end up paying for it/paying it back. Not really true Social Welfare. The "disadvantaged group" in the case will have the ANSWER FOR TAKING what was handed out, and have the burden of PAYING FOR THOSE WHO DONT.

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Where would we be? Worse off that we are for sure.


Call me insensitive, where would we be if we never closed the country and had these "hand outs" (again ones the working people will have to pay back) awarded in the first place?

The working class was stunning not as affected by this deadly disease, but they will bear the brunt of paying for it