Nothing wrong, in my view Butch, with a well made reproduction. Most of your non-pennant friends won’t even notice!

But, technically speaking, your flag isn’t a pennant … it’s a burgee :p

I bought the ‘55 Brooklyn Dodgers version from the same seller and I’m quite happy with it.

Burgee??? That sounds somewhat strange.

'Hey how does this look on me? I just got this new burgee and it is a little tight around the waste. Does it make my butt look too big?' :D

Thanks for the correction. I did not know that. I am a rank amateur when it comes to the differences.

Cheers,

B. T.

Those flags are AWESOME!

I love mine! Cool is cool, whether it's a hundred years old or brand new. If you're an actual collector of something, why would it matter? I couldn't believe how nice this recent acquisition was for the price when I had it in hand.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133896172683

It's been a little quiet on the Pennants thread lately so here's a new arrival today :D

I love these player photo pennants. I'm hoping to get some of the other Cubs Power Pennants to add to this.

I'm in two minds about whether to try and clean the small circle of dirt on the right side of the pennant.

Not a fan of the Cubs but I do like that pennant.

And thank you for reviving this thread!

Gary- I might try a bleach pen on that spot, depending on how valuable/near and dear the pennant is. Just to get it to the same shade of aged white as the rest of the pennant. I don't think I've ever tried a bleach pen or spot remover on a pennant, so maybe it would not work. Given all of the red on the pennant, seems like a soak is too risky. But, honestly, for a white pennant it doesn't look all that bad. I'd probably just leave it alone.

I was just killing a few minutes and noticed this modern/repo pennant (with the 1962 info listed) in the ebay sold items for $180.

Yeah, I saw the Giants pennant. Someone got took.

In the "good old days" we could message the buyer and let him know he bought a reproduction for 6X its actual worth. Too bad ebay supports shill bidding and erroneous/deceptive listings like this with their new policies.

Not even a reproduction, since no original exists. And, yeah, I miss the “good old days.” I kind of understand why ebay curtailed our ability to message anyone but it sure came in handy when, for example, someone bought a group of pennants or a group of multiples.

I was going to email Kyle directly, since he may have interviewed someone at AdFlag for his blog, but maybe someone else here has input…

Kyle’s burgee says “Los Angeles.” The one I just purchased, directly from AdFlag, says “San Francisco.” I also have an orange on black “Giants” and a white on purple “San Francisco.” See post #6068 above. The white on purple came with “LOA” from the Cubs, dated 1998 and saying “this flag has been flown over Wrigley Field.” Worthpoint shows similar purple burgees. The recent AdFlag pickups were sold as “rooftop flags.”

EVERY picture I have ever seen of Wrigley’s centerfield scoreboard flags show flags with team (not city) names. Do the “rooftop flags” use the city names? For the life of me, I can’t find a clear picture of the rooftop flags.

Another new arrival...Brooklyn Dodgers Batter and Ball "Moon" (Catalog Ref: BKDG105-TBC)

I also had a go at cleaning the Cub Power Pennant. You can see the before and after.

Anyone have any tips for getting cloth pennants in a toploader? I've found that the felt pennants work by tapping the toploader but the cloth pennants don't work as well. Because the material doesn't have the same weight, I have a dickens of a time getting the tip to move all the way down.

One of the things that I've noticed about the various repros and fantasy pennants is that the tassels seem to be out of place (e.g. more towards the center of the pennant). It's not always the case but often it is.

Things sometimes just work out fine.....
 

Many know my quest for the Bullets Championship pennant and the cleaning that I did on the one I finally found. Yeah, I cleaned it a bit too much and the edge bumper faded from a nice blue to a faded blue.

Fast forward to today..... Another pennant, slightly different but still a championship pennant came up on the bay for a crazy cheap price, $10.00

It has a very nice blue bumper and is very dirty like my first one is. So, I now have a bumper for my first one, thanks to my wife, she will make the sewing changes for me. And I have two Bullets pennants.

I will clean this one too, but only after the bumper is removed. Both bumpers will be swapped and the faded one will get a Rit Dye session before it goes back on this pennant below.

SCORE!!!! x2!

Cubs Power looks great!

As far as toploaders (which I don't use often), I've used a dowel and/or a 3' ruler to "guide" the tip.

Right on, Butch! You're lucky your wife is a seamstress. As far as removing the spine, a single edge razor blade works well.

As a matter of fact, yes, I did interview the current owner of ADFLAG when I wrote my last piece on them: Mike Olson. He is Frank F. Smith's, the company's founder, grandson.

Mike advised that, sometime ago, all the Wrigley burgee flags--both rooftop and scoreboard--listed the teams by city names. More recently, the team switched to team names. The current offering of burgee flags on ADFLAG's etsy storefront (obviously) never flew above Wrigley; they were made for and retained as samples. Additionally, as rooftop flags, you'll note they feature a pair of brass grommets on their spine, whereas the scoreboard variant features a pair of "D" rings. I believe the scoreboard variant, today at least, is slightly smaller in size than in decades past, due to National League expansion.

Thanks for the info, Kyle. I would still like to see a picture of any flag (scoreboard or rooftop) with city names, because I have yet to find one.... :confused:

Gary- for the cloth pennants and toploaders, I use a modern stiff pennant, put the cloth one on top of the modern (with the cloth tip hanging over a bit), and then slide them into the toploader together. Then pinch the end of the toploader to grab the cloth pennant and slide out the modern pennant. That usually gets me pretty close and easy to adjust the rest of the way.

Here is my most recent Giants pickup. I've seen mini versions of this pennant many times, but don't recall seeing a full size version. This is full size, with good colors. It was clearly stored folded up and out of the sun.

Wow! Full size? Great pickup, ya bastard. :cool:

Thanks Marc. I'll give that a go.

That Giants pennant is a beauty.

Tigers Pennant
 

Anyone know the year of this pennant? I haven't been able to locate a similar while searching online. Thanks!

Eder Mfg Co.
 

I think I've found a new manufacturer of pennants in the 40s-50s. Eder Mfg Co.

They're still in business today...the largest manufacturer of flags and flagpoles in the USA. But they started out making pillows, felt pennants and rag dolls.

https://ederflag.com/pages/about-us

I wonder what other pennants they might have produced.

Very cool, Gary! I think a lot of early pennant makers also made pillow tops.

Nice Discovery! I have that same pennant, less the tag on the reverse.

Looks to be 1950s. Would be tough to pinpoint it any further. Would you say the graphics are painted/screened on, or more like a "raised velvet"? It's difficult to tell from the provided photo.

Eder Mfg. Co., Milwaukee, WI
 

Eder Mfg. Co. has been around for more than a century; however, until now, I've never known them to make anything other than collegiate and travel/souvenir pennants. Your discovery tells us that wasn't entirely the case.

I bought a turn of the century Notre Dame pennant with their label on it a few years ago. When I learned that the company was still in operation, I reached out and shared my purchase with them. They were pleased to see it. Today they only make flags and flag pole accessories. I asked when they last made felt novelties, and they really didn't know. She guessed they had stopped making pennants by the 1940s....

If I had to guess, this Braves pennant was likely made in 1952'ish, when everyone in Milwaukee had contracted Braves fever. I seriously doubt Eder made other pennants for other professional sports teams. Eder simply made it because they were the hometown pennant maker, and the demand existed.

Most of their labels from the 1910s look like this one, below.

Thanks for sharing!

I like their 2-color tassels. Not sure I have ever seen another company employ this.... but it's certainly a nice touch.

I agree, it’s a nice touch. Seems to be a characteristic of early 20th century pennants, you’ve seen these before (Tigers is not mine)

Did anyone here win this? What a beautiful pennant. 1949 roster. (Seller had it mistakenly listed as late 50s). These roster pennants have subtle differences in the handwriting style but this one IMO is best.

Oh of course.... duh. :confused: I forgot about the oldies from the teens. Great stuff!

Before I realized the pennant was for the Milwaukee Braves, I actually though it was older (e.g. 1920s).

Kyle, you're explanation about the Braves fever of 1952 seems plausible to me. I wonder if they used old stock to make the pennants or if they still used that design for other pennants in the 1950s. I'd love to come across a product catalog from Eder from the 1950s.

Does anyone know of any pennants from any maker recognizing the 1953 World Series, or dated 1953 from either team? The only one that comes up in a google search is the rectangular Dodgers pennant similar to the ‘54 Indians that you see more frequently.

I don't think they made one that was sold inside the stadiums. If one was ever manufactured (of the true triangular variety), it was probably made/sold by a small street vendor.

Need help please, anyone know the value of this with the condition? Thank you!

https://i.imgur.com/OiYomAp.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/78n2JvN.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/QMMjgRQ.jpg?1

I’d say about $125 in the current condition. If it was EX or better, it might go as high as $175-$200. But the general wear and flawed spine will keep it in the $100 - $125 range. It’s a fairly scarce variation, and a nice pennant!

Co-signed. Super-rare pennant. I don’t think I’ve seen it before. Looks like Ad Flag but they have another 1959 White Sox version. Maybe WGN?

This is a very tough to find pennant. I have had it before, but only in dark blue with a red spine. One of the earliest Milwaukee pennants. Never seen a green one.

Thank you both, I had a hard time finding any info on it.

It's for sale/trade if anyone is interested. I'm a Cubs fan..so this item is not my collection focus ;)

It’s calling your name, Greg. :p

Couldn't find any room for my AdFlag burgee, so he had to go into the garage. I had to slant it to miss the opener track but I kind of like the slanted look. This guy spent a couple of weeks buried in snow to get the folds out. Funny story about the Spring Training Welcome San Francisco Giants banner...I paid 10 bucks for it and only $5 for shipping. I think the poor seller had to spend $20+ on shipping. It's massive - 3' x 12' and made of heavy vinyl.

Rob,

No doubt about it. Time to buy another house. Nice touch on the burgee (I'm picking up the lingo.).

That stadium in Scottsdale is a thing of beauty.

I don't believe one exists, Greg. You're correct: the 1953-dated felt NL/AL champs banners are your closest option.

The pickins are similarly scarce for 1952, I've noticed. There was a 1952-dated Brooklyn Dodgers WS champs (phantom) pennant made ... but was there an NL champs variant made for the bums in '52??

I think by 1953 the pennant makers and vendors were sick and tired of dated, unsold Dodgers vs. Yankees stock from prior years that they couldn't move. So they got smart and began omitting the years ... which would have served them well in '55 and '56 (and '63, '77, '78, and '81).

I have that one as being by WGN; but, definitely could be by ADFLAG.

Here are ‘52s, with and without ‘World’. But I don’t know of a NL Champs version.

Upon closer inspection, almost certainly Ad Flag. The rear stitching tells the story.

But wait there’s more! The design around the winged sock resembles a known WGN … so basically I have no idea.

speaking of the rear :eek: , just noticed the patch. How come there’s no stitching on the front? Would have been a candidate for “felting.”

My “gut” also told me WGN….but I, also, have no idea.

Ah yes I see that now. Missed it before.

Here are two other ‘59 Sox pennants with the same White Sox font. I would think Ad Flag purely for how ugly the baseball head batter is, but this is looking more and more like WGN.

The baseball head batter is awesome!

Agree! I have the full-color version stashed away somewhere. A weird but cool looking mascot!

Baseball head man would give me nightmares if I had him hanging over my childhood bed. And what’s with home plate? Where’s he hitting? LOL

It’s still a cool pennant though, I agree …

I believe there is a dated 1953 Dodgers, but I can’t remember if it says World Series or NL champs. Full size if I remember correctly. I’ve never seen a dated Yankees 1953 as that is what I collect.

Gotta share this story …

So I’ve been calming down as far as purchases, essentially buying only if it is “wall worthy”. (LOL). Heritage Auctions has a process where, for certain items, you can offer to purchase what another person won in prior auctions. Most are overpriced but I did once get a good deal on some pennants that went cheap and the owner didn’t want them anymore.

I noticed a 1951 Trench Indians scroll pennant. These are my favorites. And I’d never seen this before. Trench made a few for 1949-50 and selected scrolls for championship teams (as you know). But there’s nothing notable about the ‘51 Indians. Still a cool pennant, maybe the earliest stadium pennant, and I like how the Chief is still wearing the crown three years after the fact. Note that they left room along the bottom edge to add on “champions” notation should they win the pennant (but they finished second, 5 games out.)

I’ll add here, I have seen this with the tip cut off, into a forked design. As if to get rid of the year and sell them after ‘51. But never saw one fully intact.

The pennant was part of a large collection of items, however. From a Red Ruffing private collection. The pennant was probably just an add-on, there were medals, gave used bat, signed letter from President Reagan, etc. The lot sold for over $3K and any offer would have to exceed $4K. But I only want the darn pennant. I asked Heritage, can I make an offer to the owner on one item in the lot? (No.) Okay, can you please give the owner my email and notify him that I am interested in the pennant? I’ll even pay a commission fee. (No.) So that’s that. Kinda lame but what are ya gonna do.

The next day … this shows up on eBay and I got it at a great price. The second one I’ve ever seen (different color). What a coincidence!

"There's a force in the universe...and all you have to do is get in touch with it."

You lucked out, Greg! How come I never do? :(

That’s a great pennant. I love the crown and the over his head ball he’s presumably going to hit. Is the “I” intersecting the “C” something you see in other Indians pennants?

Yes they used that style throughout the early 50s. Here are a couple with almost identical name:

Someone posted this pic on facebook. Thought I'd share it here. I don't remember seeing it before. Supposedly from Chicago.

Can’t make out the year on the wall calendar but based on the pennants, I’d say early 1950s.

That’s a great picture! The pennants are the icing on the cake.

Wild picture! Makes sense that it is Chicago, all but four of those pennants hanging are from the awesome WGN series. The rest (except Indians?) are Ad Flag. Even they didn’t have the Cardinals … :(

Repairing a pennant cut with a knife
 

I love old photos like that. Thanks for sharing it.

I have an interesting challenge for the collective wisdom on this thread.

So here's the story, I bought a couple of pennants recently.

• 69 Mets Champions Photo pennant
• 1962 Yankees Champions Photo Pennant

So far so good. As I live in the UK, I use a shipping service in Florida. I get deliveries sent there and they store them for up to a month and then combine them in a single shipment to the UK.

The process works like this: package arrives at the shipping service, they open it up, take photos, identify the relevant customs category and let me know what's arrived.

Generally this works really well....occasionally it doesn't. It seems that when the 2 pennants arrived at the shipping service, somebody used a knife to open the box and cut through the pennants too. They compensated me for the damage, so that's OK. But now I'm left with 2 really nice pennants except they have "knife wounds".

Any thoughts on whether they can be repaired? and How?

I'm on the razors edge waiting for some sharp insight . :D

I didn’t think there’s much you can do. :(

Had they been older, “felting” might be in order (I still want to try my hand at that).

It is a shame both are really nice pennants

Nice pennants Gary. Especially like the Mets. They will display just fine as is, if I were you I wouldn’t touch them.

Thanks. I've left them as is.

I was thinking there might be a way to use fabric tape to repair it from the back. But they do display well as they are.

There's no harm in using blue "painter's tape" from behind. It would close up those gaps, would not show through at all, and peels right off without sticking to the felt or doing harm to the pennant itself.

Anyone surprised by this one? A pretty strong price, to say the least...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37386022411...p2047675.l2557

Price is pretty crazy….especially with the usual “blue issues”….but the dude on the buffalo is way cool.

I thought I was playing it safe by bidding $650. My snipe bounced right out as the high bid went from $261 to over $1800 in the time it took me to submit my bid. That's an amazing price for a non-championship, non-dated football pennant. Love to see it.

One of the coolest-ever football pennants, for sure. The graphic is awesome. Right up there with the 49ers goldpanner.

Yikes. This just sold. Definitely. Not. Vintage.

Cardboard label still attached …

Not thrilling at all, but my other example was faded blue and missing its tassels. Red sure holds up better than blue, huh?

P.S. the reproduction of this on the synthetic crap is quite prevalent.

No you’re wrong this is thrilling. Beautiful in its simplicity. Part of a great early 50s trench series.

Good to hear! :D I prefer the SF version with the batter. Wish I had that one in red!

Did any one pick up any of the pennants in the sale of Bob Feller's family?

This was a very cool variant with a fish tail tip. I was an underbidder on it.

Great pennant!

But I wonder if the “fishtail” wasn’t a repair of a bad tip?

Yep... no way that's original to the pennant.

I followed but underbid on the other two 1954s which went higher than I thought. I really want one with the classic chief graphic, not Wahoo. That’s a tough one. The one in the auction had a lot of fading.

This one with the flags … I have a fishtail version that may have been sold after ‘54, the whole date is chopped off. It was a throw in with another pennant. It looks better with the different color flags, I have it in better condition but with all white flags.