+1 Very Nice

Not authentic of course - the MLB stamp dates it around 1980 and it is thin paper felt - but I guess close enough that a non-collector seller wouldn’t know. Although I believe this is pictured in the pennant guide. … I only know of four vintage Pilots: two red Trench, one white ASCO, one red Ad Flag.

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Hey guys, really new to anything pennants. Just picked these up and was wondering what kind of values they would have. Thanks Marc

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Hi Marc, welcome … nice batch. I think Cardinals, Pirates, Phillies are each in the $40-75 range. (Thinking in terms of eBay auctions.) The Braves with player names, Cubs, and Reds (my favorite) would be higher maybe even close to $150-200 each at the right time.

I agree with Greg's estimates... spot on. The Reds is a rare version, and the Cubs is semi-rare. The Braves is pretty common, but is a championship pennant with players' names.

The other three are nice pennants, but are readily available. Great pickups!

Thank you! I thought the braves one was odd, being that they did not win the World Series that year. Appreciate you guys taking the time to look at them.

The Braves pennant is a ‘phantom’ pennant because they didn’t win the World Series that year, but it isn’t as rare as one would think. It’s still cool as hell!

Two recent pickups, neither broke the bank. 1960 ASG pennant from the unknown NY area company and WGN Athletics. I had only seen the latter before in a pic online, slight variation from the one I already had. This went with a batch of non sports pennants and was auctioned earlier (I underbid) but winner didn’t pay and they were re-auctioned.

Very Nice

Really like the ASG pennant

Both look like they are in great shape

That's Athletics pennant looks really sharp. Is this the other variant that you're referring to? I love that they have graphics in the middle and the end of the pennant.

Yes! That’s actually mine, displayed on my pool table. These WGNs are so cool. So now we know that they made pennants with tassels in the 40s, these are early 50s. Still looking for the Cardinals, once I get it I can die in peace.

I don’t own this Browns pennant but it is another rare WGN variation.

So which do you think is more likely: a Cardinals version was never made, or, it is so rare it almost never surfaces?

I’ve seen the Cardinals, twice. Once long, long ago and about three years ago but in very poor condition. ‘St. Louis’ looks exactly as it does on the Browns pennant, with a bird logo and ‘Cards’ underneath.

These are all pretty rare, the Cubs and White Sox being most common by comparison - still rare - although (as you know) they have the most variations (likely due to location) including multi color. Red Sox and Senators both have two versions.

Did you (Mike) get that ‘45 Cubs pennant? It was stunning…

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No, I have it in green so didn’t go all out. It’s certainly the best one condition wise I have seen.

Anyone see that Christy Mathewson pennant up for auction on Heritage. The pictures are up and the auction starts next week

Very nice looking.

Hopefully someone from this forum wins it for their collection.

For those interested. 1910 Cubs program with pennant ad

W.C. Kern Co., Chicago, IL
 

Wow, great find Jason. Thanks for sharing.

I was familiar with this particular maker (W.C. Kern Co.); but, never knew them to have made anything but souvenir and collegiate pennants.

I guess they made professional baseball pennants!

Here's some of their labels in use around the turn of the past century. I'm curious if any of the Cubs pennants featured in the ad bore any of these....

Nice information and an interesting insight into these

Nice find. Wonder if they had a catalog showing their entire inventory?

I think Kyle has a decent collection of old pennant brochures. Cool stuff, as well as great reference material.

OT - along the same lines, I would love to find an old ad for the "weirdo" bobbing heads.

They most certainly did issue a sales catalogue! See the below ad for W.C. Kern, published in 1903 (1903!).

All of these companies regularly issued catalogues back in those days. Typically, you had to write to the company and request one; then they'd mail you one ... and another the next year, and so on and so forth.... Most were printed in black and white; but some featured color imagery. Most were a dozen or so pages in length; but, some, especially the bigger flag makers and/or sporting goods companies, would issue sales books totaling a few hundred pages. The prices were always wholesale, with the unit price diminishing on every additional dozen pennants ordered.

Unfortunately, I don't own a W.C. Kern catalogue; nor have I ever seen one. But perhaps one day....

In addition to the below 1903 ad, here's two more from W.C. Kern from 1905, and 1909. Note that none mention anything about professional baseball pennants.

Trench Mini Football Pennants in Original Packaging
 

Here’s something you don’t see everyday; two sets of Trench mini pennants in original packaging, one AFC and one NFC. Measures about 20”x12”. I couldn’t resist.

Haha! Gotta love the carrying handle.

...and the decorating tips!

That is pretty cool stuff.
Any idea what year those two were from?

Trench pennants
 

It would have to be between 1971 and 75.

Thanks for the info

So who ya got?

I would hate to see the cheaters win. Braves all the way.

Both managers are nice stories.

Although I collect Houston items, I don't care all that much.

I just want to post this pennant, which is one of my all time favorites (Thanks, Mark!)

Love it!

The Mathewson Pennant is now up for Grabs on Heritage

IT is a Beauty

Hopefully someone from the forum gets it

1961 Orioles
 

Not in the best shape. Tough one to find?

Tough one to see. :p

Chris, fairly tough. I guess you see a few of these each year. I personally like the 1961 picture pennants, this was before they used the ribbon insert and displayed the year under the pic. Looks clean and should display nicely.

Giving the thread a little bump, I really like the colors on this one …

Wow.... looks like it never saw the light of day. Gorgeous!


Anybody here snag this beauty?

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Wow! I really like both the Cardinals and the Oilers! Maybe bocca got the Oilers?

What a cool Oilers pennant. Only AFL-trademarked stadium pennant?

I have one of those with some damage. I thought about going all in for the ebay one, but didn't like the spine for an expensive upgrade. But I thought seriously about it.

I cannot recall seeing another. :confused:

The closest I've seen is the Dallas Texans Cotton Bowl pennant, but no AFL logo on that one. And the New York Jets Shea Stadium which was just post merger and has the NFL logo on it.

Exciting stuff is becoming fewer and farther between and as a result I've developed an appreciation for extremely rare modern stuff (80's-90's). Believe it or not, there is some cool stuff out there. Very under appreciated in my opinion. Don't know if it will ever take off from a value perspective, but does keep me interested when the vintage well runs dry.

This pretty much represents the best of my 2021 vintage efforts...The Eagles is particularly intriguing to me as it's black and includes tassels. I've never seen that pennant in any other color and it's always tassel-less.

Greg that Cardinal's pennant is great.

I had a few pennant arrive yesterday including this 1969 Pirates Team Pennant. (It's my first pennant from eBay.) t was described as being in "rough shape" so that price was great.

I hoped it could be cleaned up without too much hassle. So far so good.

• The first photo is from the ebay listing
• The 2nd photo is how it looked when I removed the photo to prepare it for cleaning
• Photo 3 is after I gave it a gentle soak with Oxiclean (or at least it's UK equivalent).

I just need to re-affix the photo. I'm pretty pleased with the results.

I experimented with cleaning another "beater" of a pennant too. The results weren't as good. I'll post photos to share what not to do later.

Hey, pennant guys
 

Whoa! Some amazing stuff here!

I’ve never seen the Giants ACFL pennant! And the 58 Giants and Super Bowl pennants are phenomenal!

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Chiefs v. Vikings super bowl pennant is my favorite. I like the unique graphics/image. Why soooooo rare?

I've put the photo back in the Pirates Pennant and this is what it looks like after a clean. I'm pretty pleased.

I also picked up a Phillies "Atomic Cap" pennant in a misc lot. It was pretty badly discolored and it cost me next to nothing. So I decided to experiment with different approaches.

First I soaked it in Oxiclean for a couple of hours. That made it better but not much. So I soaked it in Oxiclean again and left it overnight. That was my mistake. The red dye in the graphics started to disolve because I left it soaking too long. After all of that, discolored white areas still weren't great.

At this point, the graphics were damaged so I decided to try bleach to see what it would do. That worked great on the white body of the pennant. I suspect if I started with bleach, it would have ended up perfect.

My lessons:

• Oxiclean works well but only use if for short amounts of time (e.g. an hour or two at most)
• If using Oxiclean, what for any bleeding of the graphics. As you as you see that, take it out and stop.
• Bleach on white pennants, can't be beat.

That was by far the cheapest of the bunch and it might be my favorite pick up of the year. From a cost/utils of pleasure perspective its off the charts. Would love to find more ACFL, Continental or UFL. There were over 100 minor league teams in the 1960s, but you only see pennants for the same handful of teams...Pottstown Firebirds, Wheeling Ironmen, Eugene Bombers, Philadelphia Bull Dogs and maybe a few others.

No idea but I've been waiting for a case of them to be discovered in a New Orleans warehouse since I got it. So far so good. It's interesting though that there are SB II and SB IV pennants that list both teams. Is SB III out there somewhere?

Decided to mix it up with some college football. Looks like the dude is about to stiff arm the gator [emoji1377][emoji246][emoji458]

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Great stuff, Rob. Mt favorite is the "Brownies." :p

Is the Phillies pennant stiff or soft?

The lessons I've learned:

* Oxiclean only works on the newer, stiff white pennants. It doesn't do much on the softer felt ones.
* Bleach works great on some older white pennants but I had a disaster on one with red graphics.
* Oxyclean can improve older, colored pennants but it's not usually a huge improvement.

Another lesson is I just learned is I can't figure out how to format bullet points! :p

I'm extremely happy to have picked up this three quarter size "batter and bridge' pennant. The full size versions are extremely common. There are probably 10-20 for sale on ebay at any given time. This is the first 3/4 I've ever seen. I have a similar 3/4, but it is not an exact replica of the full size. It's interesting that I've never seen one of these - the silk screen would have had to have been completely different i.e. they didn't just print full size graphics on a smaller pennant. It also appears this one never had color, other than the shoes. I've looked at it closely and I don't think it's a case of the color just fading out. BTW - do we know who made these left handed batter pennants?

I just noticed, too, that the "F" used on the 3/4's is a "hybrid" of the F's used on the full sized versions. The minutiae never ends!

Very Cool looking pennants and great detail in them.

Those San Fran Pennants would look great on display.

Just curious how do most pennants get displayed that are shown in this thread?

Rigid holders and thumbtacks. Lots of them!

Most of mine don't get displayed!

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Some recent pickups, Buffalo Bisons 1946 AAFC. Always looking for Buffalo sports team pennants if anyones got any for sale or trade, shoot me a message.


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Very nice! It’s gotta be a thrill to find those. I don’t imagine there are many around.

Awesome stuff. Great finds.

Red is always going to be an adventure. Sometimes it runs immediately. Sometimes it takes a while. Sometimes it holds up fine. I suspect your Phillies would've had problems even if you had gone with bleach. The bleeding red is manageable though. Just keep soaking/rinsing it with plain water until the running stops. I've never had one that didn't stop running and the bleed usually rinses away completely if you stay on top of it.

Using Oxyclean with red graphics, 30 minutes is my limit. I find most of the improvement occurs within that time any way. For dirtier, non-red pennants I may leave in a little longer. I did do an overnight on an old 70s Bengals pennant (white pennant with orange/black graphics) to see what would happen and the graphics faded pretty badly.

Nice pick up Erik.

Looking Real Good Greg

That SB4 pennant is really tough. Being in MN I have bought and sold just about every Vikings and Twins pennant around, but I’ve never had that one. I’ve only seen it a few times over the years.

The rest of those pennants are really nice. That’s some quality stuff.

Nice pickup. I have a reverse find.

I picked up this 1940s Tigers Pennant. It's a little faded in a few spots but I've not come across it before. Mike Egner's book only shows a 3/4 version of this pennant. Anyone else have or come across a full size version?

I have a few Toploaders on the wall, but I'm also using an idea that Mark showed in post 4884. The acrylic shelf is great. It takes about 20 pennants in toploaders and I move the front one to the back about once a week. That way I rotate through them all.

Here are my Oilers. Marc I noticed yours doesn’t have the pinkish colored AFL logo. It looks better white like yours. Another oddity is that in the dark blue pennant Oiler Man isn’t wearing #60 (I assume it isn’t ‘GO’) …

Love the displays and you are right Mark's idea is pretty simply and cool looking

I really like that dark blue Oilers pennant, Greg. That detail about the #60 should help me identify one, as the general style/lighter version is not so hard to find and the exact color is tough to see on pics/scans without a side by side.

Yes. Trench.

Thanks, Kyle. I was going to consult the PDF I made of your blog.

P.S. I’m jonesing for another entry! :p

Tigers
 

Hoping to post better quality photos. Looks to be a 3/4 size (25 inches). Worth picking up? Thanks for any info!

Somewhat rare and worth picking up for sure. Not sure what they're asking, but I would not exceed $75 for that one.

Thanks!

Got this Keezer Mets pennant very cheap, still good color for a blue cloth pennant.

Posted this awhile back … here’s another AFL-stamped pennant with a venue depicted.

How are you posting your photos, Chris? They look like screenshots from your phone. At a minimum, I would suggest you save the pics to your photos. I add my pictures from my desktop computer.

Finally Get to enjoy a Nice New York Pennant

Love the Look of it