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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2312668)

So is this an “Epstein”?

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...forty-22850599

This one has had a recurring case of split-spine syndrome throughout the years.

duplicate …

Then WGN was cheap, too. I have seen this particular pennant at least 3 times with a pieced-together or "split" spine.

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2312665)

Greg posted as I was floundering and fat-fingering on my cell screen. So it IS a condition flaw. Epstein was apparently a cheapskate who underpaid his taxes and couldn’t even waste 2” of “spine material” to make it uninterrupted.

Shame on you, Epstein!

Here's an alleged Epstein split spine for you. Interesting technique on this one. They didn't worry about smooth flush edges. They just overlaid the pointy longer piece over the shorter one and stitched away.

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2312435)

Kyle- I always thought that the left footed kicker pennants (below) were made by the same company as the runner pennant (now identified as Epstein). But I think you have attributed this style to Trench. I have posted two examples below, with one clearly being older than the other. The older one seems very similar to the Epstein runner pennants with respect to materials and feel. Just wondering how/why you have associated the left footed kicker design with Trench. It's probably too weird for Epstein to have two different kicker versions (given how steadfastly they stuck to the runner and slider designs).

The newer version of the kicker pennant has additional details in the background. I know that these exist for some NFL teams. I think Fballguy has a pic of a Raiders pennant with this image on his website. Santa Clara stopped playing major football in 1952, so the pennant is likely 1952 or earlier. I suppose the two kicker pennants could have been made by different companies, with the newer being a copy.

You're spot on for the time frame of the lower kicker pennant. Pretty easy to differentiate the ones from the 1940s from the ones from the 1960s, such as the Raiders you mention. The 1940s version have little blob flags and not much detail to the stadium. Also, many of the teams you find are defunct and existed for a very short time in the 40s or early 50s. Whereas the 60s version has proper flags and fans in the stands (Rams pennant below).

I believe these three to be from the same company, one that we have yet to identify.

Epstein seems to provide a major clue in solving the mystery of the stiff arm (Heisman) pennants but I'm a little dubious on the idea that they were the only ones making them. As Kyle said, they used very generic artwork but there is significant variation in these pennants. It's possible their "art work" evolved over the years (with the Wilburforce below likely their first ever attempt at depicting a football player) but some of the differentiation seems very arbitrary...like something a competitor might add to avoid using a direct copy. Also interesting to note, the Florida State pennant below is 3/4 size which is very atypical for these. The variations below were all found in about 5 minutes of searching through my website. I'm sure I could find more.

That blue NY Giants is bad, in a funny way.

Does the ad that Oooribay posted suggest that these (at least some) were made by AMCO Emblem? An Ohio State runner pennant is right in the ad (although the stiff arm is going in the opposite direction).

I know this has been mentioned before….but we gotta do a pennant book!

I’m sure many of you are familiar with Paul Muchinsky’s pinback book. For me, it’s the gold standard. I’m very much a “pin guy,” too, and Paul’s book is a treasure. He told me a) it was a pain in the ass to produce and b) it was a money loser. But, man, the information you guys have come up with is unbelievable. I wish Paul was still around so I could pick his brain on the book publishing process. I haven’t contributed all that much to the pennant research…but I am, and always will be, the OP of this here, high quality thread. :p

I highly value all of you….my obsessive pennant (gonfalon) brothers!

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2312698)

Hey, Rob - did you notice in the print ad I posted this afternoon that the AMCO FB player is stiff arming in the other direction? How common or uncommon is that?

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2312705)

Hey, Rob - did you notice in the print ad I posted this afternoon that the AMCO FB player is stiff arming in the other direction? How common or uncommon is that?

Yes…Great find Rob. I’d say not common at all. The only thing that comes to mind is this style which is pretty rare and seemed to focus on a few mid west colleges…Tulsa, Kansas, etc.