Exibitman
 

I did not know those Baguer boxing cards, you have good and rare cards. Now a photo of Tom Lasorda and José María Fernández, with the Marianao team.

Jose Maria Fernandez
 

José María Tranquilino Fernández Marín, Sr. was a Cuban*baseball catcher and manager in the Negro leagues*from the 1910s to the 1940s. A native of Guanabacoa, Cuba, Fernández was the brother of fellow Negro leaguer*Rudy Fernández. He managed the New York Cubans for 12 consecutive seasons from 1939 to 1950.

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I show an edited photo of the Santa Clara 1937-38 team, we see Lazaro Salazar, Taylor and Raymond Brown.

I show a Kendry Morales shirt from the time he played for the Industriales team.

Mallorquina 1928, now I show a group of cards from that series.

Photo of a game between Almendares and Habana in the Great Stadium of Havana in the 50s, you can see the cameraman who acted behind the homeplate

Washington, in the photo we see Conrado Marrero laughing, Fermin Guerra, Sandalio Consuegra, Jiqui Moreno and others.

I show a rare card from Martin Dihigo, # 48 from the Campo Alegre collection.

Jiqui Moreno
 

Julio Moreno González was a Cuban-born right-handed pitcher in North American professional baseball. Nicknamed "Jiquí" (after a hardwood tree) and "the Cuban Bob Feller" for his blazing fastball, Moreno was a star in Cuban amateur baseball circles before he turned professional in 1947 and his mound career would extend into 1966, when he was 45 years of age. 18 wins and 2 saves in 4 MLB seasons. Moreno appeared in 73 games for the Washington Senators from 1950–1953.

From Moreno's SABR biography: “Jiquí” Moreno was not big (5’8” and 165 pounds) — but he threw hard. How hard is jiquí wood? In Cuba, Moreno’s native land, linemen could not sink their spurs into telephone poles made from this tree — they had to use ladders. Brick stair steps wore down, yet their jiquí binding was simply polished. That’s how tough this pitcher was in his heyday at home.

Author Roberto González Echevarría, who has also written extensively on Cuban ball, further set the scene for Moreno’s early career.

“A significant development in the thirties and forties was the emergence of players, mostly pitchers, from the provinces. . .white guajiros — country bumpkins.” He added that “the rural aristocracy of the Amateur League. . .fed on the nationalism of the period.” The foremost of these “revered amateurs and later professionals” was Conrado Marrero, El Guajiro del Laberinto, but Moreno was a distinguished runner-up. The pair met in some renowned duels as amateurs. They would later pitch together in the U.S. with the Senators, as did Sandalio “Potrerillo” Consuegra (known as “Sandy” in the U.S.) and Rogelio “Limonar” Martínez. In their amateur days, all four “often appeared in magazines, sometimes even on the covers.” One such picture of Moreno shows him with the pencil mustache he then sported, as did many Hollywood stars of the time.

According to a capsule biography on the Círculo Güinero de Los Ángeles website, young Moreno started to play baseball in Güines with a team known as Estrellas de Pancho (Pancho’s Stars). He started to attract wider attention in 1938. In his obituary of Moreno, Fausto Miranda told the story of how he first saw the pitcher. Julio, then just 17, was facing a visiting team called Películas Cubanas (Cuban Movies), organized by two famous comedians and baseball enthusiasts named Alberto Garrido and Federico Piñero. The smiling youth was very fast. . .and very wild. After watching a batter hit the deck, Garrido said, “Careful, that skinny boy’s going to kill someone here today!” Miranda said, “We all came back to Havana talking about the terrifying speed of this kid who barely weighed 135 pounds.”

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George, good publication of yours, you mention the comic artists Garrido and Piñero, "the Galician and the Black" were among the great actors of radio, television and cinema, I show a photo of them in a tv program. from the 50s.

Rolando, Feliz Navidad, mi amigo! I am glad to see you posting here and sharing your knowledge, as well as images of great Cuban cards and photos. Many of the items you have shown are still in my collection to this day. I hope to visit again soon, but thank you for welcoming me into your home. It's been 15 years since I've seen you, but hopefully not 15 more until I see you again!

-Ryan

MLB Comic Artists: Nick Altrock and Al Schacht
 

For three years at the turn of the last century Nick Altrock was arguably the best left-handed pitcher in the game. His talent, pitching smarts, and extraordinary fielding ability helped him win 62 games for the Chicago White Sox from 1904 through 1906 and beat Mordecai Brown in Game One of the 1906 World Series. However, Altrock’s baseball prowess was overshadowed by his second career as one of the most-popular and longest-working baseball clowns of all time. At his clowning peak, Altrock enjoyed a salary that rivaled Babe Ruth‘s.

Altrock's SABR biography explains how he got started: Nick took his release from Kansas City in stride because he already had an offer from manager Clark Griffith to join the Washington Senators as a “comedy coacher.” The Senators already enjoyed the services of Germany Schaefer, one of the most colorful eccentrics ever to play baseball. However, in his first few days with the club Nick was buried deep on the bench. Then one day the Senators were losing to a strong Cleveland pitcher named Vean Gregg. Griffith turned to his rubber-faced acquisition and said, “What good are you?”

Nick said seriously, “I’m the king’s jester.” Then he asked, “Do you really want to win this game?”

Griffith said, “With your pitching I suppose?”

Altrock said, “No. With my coaching.” Altrock talked Griffith into sending him to the first base coaching box. The next time Griffith looked out to the field he saw Nick in a heap on the ground finishing a pantomime of a man who spiked himself with his own shoe. Gregg was laughing so hard he started heaving the ball over the middle and the Senators starting hitting. Altrock morphed the routine into a full wrestling pantomime, pinning himself for a victory. Finally, home plate umpire Silk O’Loughlin, himself doubled over with laughter, ordered him to stop.

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Merry Christmas, I wish everyone who reads my publications, I show you a greeting card from the 50s that was sent to the supporters of the professional Cuban Baseball teams, there are many different models that are printed every year.

Merry Christmas Rolando! Thank you for letting me play rhythm to your lead.

George Merry Christmas to you and your family, you with your good publications in my threads give them a good rhythm, keep doing it, best regards

My friend Ryan, congratulations on Christmas for you and your family, 15 years have passed since your last visit to my house, the meeting between us was very good, we both learned about the theme of Cuban cards, now I remember when we went to the stadium of Cerro, and I introduced you to the former professional Pitcher, Ernesto (Chico) Morillas, and we talked with him, and you felt happy to have met him, hopefully in the future you can come to Cuba, now you will see a very rare card from Morillas, from 1948.

Effective search of net 54
 

Hello. I am still inexperienced with participating in net54. I have a general question. I find the search functions of threads/posts to be useless. For example i acquired some tribute cards of PR league players identified as 2005 Toleteros y Juncatos. I was interested in discovering to see if there was a checklist
I have checked trade card database with no success. When i search here under title 2005 Toleteros y Juncatos i get nothing. This happens for other searches i make. Even i type in Cuban leagues i get irrelevant results. How can i search in this board effectively? Thank you for your consideration.

Brian
 

The question you ask me, I cannot answer you because my specialty is Cuban Baseball, and those cards are not Cuban, I think you could consult a catalog of cards and you will surely find an answer, I have a Lemke catalog, which although it already has several years, but covers not only those of the United States, Cubans and others.

Montiel 1947 collections, I show two cards of Devon Chaptman # 159, notice that one of them did not print the color orange

29 december 1878
 

Today December 29 is celebrated "The Day of Baseball", in remembrance of the 1st Official Game of Cuban Baseball held on December 29, 1878, at the inauguration of the 1st Cuban championship, that day from 1940 the exaltations were held to the Hall of Fame of Cuba, I show 2 photos of today in the Tulipán Park, where that inaugural game was played in 1878 was called El Siboney Baseball Field, on Tulipán del Cerro street.

Happy new year 2022
 

Happy year 2022 i wish to all those who see my threads, great health and prosperity. Now i show a greeting card for the year 1949 with the managers of that championship.

Thanks for the advice Roland49
However, i was using the PR cards as an example. In general i have found that searches in net54 often result in poor results. Even if i did a search on topics related to Cuban cards i would get results that never addressed my search topic. In essence i wanted to find out how to more effectively use the search function of net54. Thanks.

Now I show 4 cards that the players sent to make to congratulate their friends and supporters, they will see from: Miñoso, Pedro Ramos, Angel Scull and Ossie Álvarez.

Card that were given to the ladies who were named bridesmaids of honor, in this case the Cuba B.B.C. from Santiago de Cuba, year 1901.

Brian, between Rolando and I, you can probably get any of your questions answered. You can always email or call me any time. You have my info. Rolando will probably give you his info as well if you contact him privately. The search feature on Net54 might not be working great, but if you read whatever threads it does turn up, you can probably figure out the right people to talk to.

Now I show you part of the collection of National cigars glued the cards in the album, you will see the cards of Torriente and Méndez.

Is Ernesto still around? Somewhere I have a picture of me with him. Same with Luis Zayas. When I asked Ernesto who the toughest hitter he faced was, he said Silvio Garcia. I asked him who the best pitcher he ever saw was and he said Camilo Pascual. Then he showed me the grip Camilo used for his devastating curveball. I am grateful you introduced us. Good memories.

It's easier to do a google search instead of using the net54 search engine.
For example, google "Cuban cards net54" should yield better results.

Here are pics of your Minoso. I guess the scans were different sizes. Great looking card and so high grade for the series.

Leon Luckey
 

León, that is a good card from Miñoso and it is the first that was printed from him in 1945, "Caramelos Felices".

Wow! You never see a '45 Minoso in such nice shape. A 1 is usually the best you could hope for. Very nice!

Today in the afternoon they sent me an email informing me that my 3 catalogs were for sale on eBay Cuban baseball, I don't have an eBay connection, and they sent me photos, this week that ended, a friend took those 3 to Spain that he put them up for sale , I inform you that of volume 1, there are only 10 copies, of volume 2, 3 copies have been printed and of volume 3, only 2 copies have been printed, and since they all have a copyright registration number, but they also have its printing number, of all the volumes 001 are mine, and as you can see from volume 2 there are only two more and from volume 3, there is only the one that is for sale, there has been a lot of difficulty due to the covid and the registry offices 11 months closed, on the other hand, the 1st quality materials for the preparation of the catalogs very difficult to obtain, like the inks for the laser printer, now I show a photo that I took a few minutes ago of the three catalogs and some inner sheets, they are something out of focus and I don't know in good, low light and the camera of my old mobile phone.

Now I show a photo that I took with my phone of one of the several sheets dedicated to pins, belonging to Volume 3 of my catalogs.

I show a printed propaganda of the Cristal Beer, where we see the Pitcher Rogelio (Limonar) Martínez, with his records in 1943, at the time he played as amateurs for the Clud Deporrivo Matanzas.

Limonar Martinez
 

Rogelio B. Martínez Ulloa was a pitcher in Major League Baseball who played briefly for the Washington Senators during the 1950 season. Martínez was nicknamed Limonar, after the modest little town in his native Matanzas where he started to play baseball. In one major league season, Martínez posted a 0–1 record with a 27.00 ERA in two appearances, including one start, giving up four runs on four hits and two walks while striking out none in 1.1 innings of work. Three days before Washington called Rogelio up, he had hurt his knee, and he didn’t tell the club.

From Martinez's SABR biography: This slender sidearm righty appeared in just two big-league games, in 1950. Nonetheless his career is more significant than it appears. “Limonar” – so called for the country town where he learned to play ball – was one of the icons of Cuban amateur baseball in its most glorious, romantic, and competitive era, the early 1940s.

Author Roberto González Echevarría highlighted four pitchers – “revered amateurs and later professionals” – who made it to the majors. The most prominent was Conrado Marrero, who died in 2014, almost four years after Martínez – they were among the last living links to that time. Julio “Jiquí” Moreno, a dazzling flamethrower in his youth, was a distinguished runner-up. Sandalio “Potrerillo” Consuegra had the most success in the US, where he was known as Sandy. These three men and Martínez all started in the big leagues with the 1950 Washington Senators.

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On January 14, 1962, the 3rd stage of the history of the Championships for the title in Cuba began, the 1st stage was on December 29, 1878, with the game between Habana and Almendares, which was the first official Game of the history of Cuban Baseball, the 2nd begins at the beginning of 1900, and ends in 1961, with the last game of the Cuban Professional League, in 1962 when the 3rd stage begins with the National Series that year 4 teams compete, Now I show a photo of that opening day where we see the manager of the Havana team, José María Fernández, next to the manager of the winning team of the 1st National Series, Fermin Guerra, who led the Occidentales team and the Prime Minister at that time Fidel Castro.

Now I show you 2 images that I take a photo with my phone of volume 1 of my catalogs, in my other thread I will show photos of volume 2, see it.

Dodgers 1954
 

In the photo we see Edmundo Amoros, who hit a homerun and is congratulated by Walt Alston as he passed through 3rd, year 1954.

In the history of baseball in the city of Santiago de Cuba, there were 2 teams Cuba and Central, which were eternal rivals, as in the professional were Habana and Almendares, I show 2 photos of the members of those teams in 1901.

Hi Rolando, Happy New Year, I hope you're doing well.

Since you posted about Central I was hoping you can help me with this team photo in my collection. I know the guy in the suit is a very young Julian "Fallanca" Perez, do you happen to recognize any of the other players or know the possible year this is from?
Thank you for your help and appreciate your time again!
Steve Peissig

Steve, that photo of the Central team from 1904 is very rare, the one you show doesn't look good, but when I saw it I thought I had one and I looked for it, and it's cooler and the players are better identified, that year 1904 , the teams Cuba, Central and Sam Francisco will play in the championship, in the city of Santiago de Cuba, and each team was allowed to include some of the players from the Professional Championship, I have all the statistics of that championship with the 3 teams, Now I answer your question, you are going to see my photo that looks better, you will see that 3 of the players have cards in the Cigarros Cabañas 1909 collection, in the photo standing, from left to right, the second is Angel D'Mesa, the fourth is Carlos (Bebe) Roger, seated the third is Inocencio Perez, next to Julian Perez (Fallanca) there are other familiar faces in the team.

Wow, do you want to trade photos Rolando? Haha, just joking but yours is so much nicer, mine is very faded which is a shame because I couldn’t really tell if I saw anyone familiar other than Julian Perez.
You say the guy next to Fallanca is Inocenio Perez but if you look you see the player wearing the glove on his right hand which makes him a left handed thrower, and Inocenio was a right handed thrower I believe.
Could this be Chino Moran instead? I’ve always thought this could be him but my photo is so light I couldn’t really tell.
Thank you for your help and I appreciate you showing your photo for better reference.
Steve

La Ambrosia 1943 card album, the photo shows the page of Club Deportivo Matanzas that was champion that year, you can see the cards of Limonar Martínez, Consuegra, Angel Fleitas, Rouget Avalos, Catayo Martinez etc. In the other photo the cover of the Album with the flags of all the teams that participated in the championship.

Sandalio "Potrerillo" Consuegra
 

Sandalio S. Consuegra Castellon. Cuban-born pitcher for the Washington Senators in 1950-53. 51 wins and 28 saves in 8 MLB seasons. 1954 All-Star. His best season was 1954 with the Chicago White Sox as he posted a 16-3 record with 4 saves and a 2.69 ERA in 154 innings pitched. He ended his career with the New York Giants in 1957.

Consuegra's SABR biography explains how Sandy (and his son) got his name: In 2011 Sandy’s son Rogelio (Roger) told the story. “In Cuba most homes had a Catholic calendar, and it gave the name of the saint for each day of the month. I must assume his name came from the calendar, as all his other brothers and sisters had similar ‘strange’ names". Indeed, the feast day of San Sandalio (St. Sandila, a ninth-century Spaniard martyred by the Moors) is September 3. Roger Consuegra further related, “When I was born my mother refused to name me Sandalio and I was going on the fifth day with no name. That afternoon Rogelio Martínez and Julio Moreno were facing each other, and they agreed I would be named after the winning pitcher. Deportivo Matanzas won; thus, my name is Rogelio.”

Consuegra got his nickname (Potrerillo) in Cuban ball from his hometown. Much the same was true of Rogelio Martínez, who was dubbed “Limonar” for the name of the town where he first played. Manolo de la Reguera, the famous Cuban sports commentator, was responsible for Consuegra’s nickname and those of many other players.

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George, this anecdote about Sandalio is very good. In the 60s to 90s, the games of memory between veteran players from Habana and Almendares were held in the United States, now I show two photos of those memorable games of memory, one is from 1981, we see Joe Valdivielso, Rodolfo Fernandez and Fermin Guerra , in the other from 1993, to Rodolfo Fernández, Miñoso and Armando Vázquez.

Photo of the memory games between Habana and Almendares in the 60s 70s 80s 90s, we see Mike Fornieles and Tom Lasorda.

I show you a historical photo at the Hotel Inglaterra in Havana, from left to right Armando Marsans of baseball, Ramon Fonts, several times Olympic and World champion in sword, saber, foil, followed by Alfredo de Oro, World Billiards Champion, and José Raúl Capablanca, World Chess Champion, all Cubans.

1960s, Mike Fornieles, Agapito Mayor and Quilla Valdes, veterans play Miami

Francisco Poyo, a member of the Cuban Hall of Fame, I now show a photo of an interview that was done to him in the 40s on the occasion of his exaltation to the Hall,

I show the cover of the Album 'La Ambrosía' 1943, the complete collection is 240 cards.

Duke Snider in Habana
 

Duke Snider at the Estadium del Cerro in Havana 1959, the Duke exchanged a bat for a machine gun with a policeman.

M. Mantle in Cuba
 

In the photo we see Mikey Mantle looking satisfied at a report from Bohemia Magazine where he appears on his visit to Cuba, at the Cerro Stadium.

Josh Gibson
 

I was asked to see Josh Gibson in the Trujillo team, I show one of the photos.

Don Zimmer in Cienfuegos team

I have read that Gonzalo (Choly) Maranjo and Rene Friol, two of the good players of the Cuban Professional League, recently passed away, now I show 2 cards from the Chicle Pelotero collection from 1957 front and back, and another photo from the year 2000, where Friol and Panchon Herrera appear at the ends and in the center my friend Rubén Guedes, who also played in amateur leagues.

Anyone ever seen this Kid Chocolate pocket calendar before?

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Exibitman
 

The Kid Chocolate card is from a collection from the year 1985, printed by the Circulo de Veterans del Deporte in Camaguey, I have these pocket calendars from several years, some from the 70s and 80s, now I show the front and back.

Roland
 

I’m going to cuba next year with mom.I’m cuban any chance you will find these cards anywhere ? Gracias octavio

Marcelle
 

I just wish that I could find the Marcelle from this issue Roland!

Here is the Punch
 

of Bombin

A little late to the Minoso celebration... but
 

here are a couple that I do not recall seeing... also one of my favorite photos of all time is of him... will try and track it down

Minnie photo
 

Here is the photo... it is cabinet size....

Al Jurgela
 

Al, you show very good Miñoso cards, now the Miñoso card #68 from the Caramelos Stadium collection, this is one of the versions but there is another, do you have them both?

Thanks for the information.

Al Jurgela
 

Al, I asked you if you had the two #68 cards of Orestes Miñoso and you didn't answer, maybe you haven't seen them, they are rare, now I show them.

On several occasions they ask me about my catalogs, last month the 3 volumes were taken to Spain by a friend and he put them up for sale on ebay cuban baseball, I can't connect to ebay and I don't know if they were sold, but yesterday a friend He wrote telling me that he saw the first volume for sale, I point it out in case any of you are interested, for the moment they will not be published anymore, due to lack of quality materials for their preparation.

Al, unfortunately, that 1946-47 Caramelo Deportivo Miñoso should never have been graded as it was cut from a sheet within the past few years. Both PSA and SGC are guilty of grading cards cut from these sheets. If you look at the pop reports from both companies, you'll find the normal grades for Caramelo Deportivo cards. Ones, Twos, maybe a Three if it's high-grade. And then you'll see cards like this Miñoso in a 6, which does not exist in either year of Caramelo Deportivo cards.

Here is what happened: A group of uncut sheets, maybe as many as 10(?) somehow survived all these years without being destroyed. They were meant to be destroyed because the print on the back was extremely faded and light, and therefore not worthy of being cut into cards and distributed. But some Cuban hero saved them! And that's why so many "high-grade" 1946-47 Caramelo Deportivo cards survive to this day. I know of at least two complete sheets that are still intact. I have one, and another collector has one. But each sheet has 3 Martin Dihigos, 3 Ray Dandridges, and 3 Orestes "Minnie" Miñosos. The temptation proved to be too much much for some greedy scammers who cut these sheets up and sent the cards in to grading companies. Any high-grade 1946-47 Caramelo Deportivo card will have this extremely light back. The sheets made their way to the U.S. and were cut up and sent in to the grading companies, who graded them without question, for some reason. Any grading company could contact me at any time without every having to worry about compensation. I've never taken a single dollar to consult with a grading company or any kind of authentication agency. But they didn't. And they should all know that by now.

Al, can you post a scan of the back of that Miñoso? I would bet my life that it is extremely light and barely legible. Especially compared to a legit 1946-47 Caramelo Deportivo card.

The back should look like this:

Felices 1946-47
 

I was reading Ryan's comment, and he's right, I agree with him, but I'll give my opinion, in the late 80s or early 90s, I bought 10 sheets of this collection, 9 were complete and one was cropped because they glued some to an empty album, of the 9 complete sheets I separated the best for my collection, the back had the clearest impression, but not all were the same, some of the ink could be seen quite well, those 8 remaining through the years I went out of them, I told everyone not to cut them, because from my point of view they are rarities, and I consider that they have a higher price, but each person does what they want with their own, in the postcards of the United States they have companies that they evaluate and I consider this very correct and also the Cuban ones, but they have brought me Cuban postcards that are evaluated with their letter and number, and I have not agreed, because I have my evaluation system that is not so complicated and is most effective, and none of those who evaluate these cards in those companies know what I know, not one of them, not all together, and they have brought me original postcards that they have rejected for not knowing them, now I show a photo of one of the pages of my catalog where you will see the page that shows that sheet and a photo I took of one of the sheets from behind, but the most important thing is that they are all original cards with an almost perfect state of conservation, that is my opinion.

Photos magazine with Monte Irvin on the cover.

back
 

very light... yes.... PSA holder now

No... I do not have those Roland
 

Also, where is your book for sale in Spain?

Al Jurgela
 

Greetings Al, if those Miñoso cards are very rare, as for the question you ask me about the catalog, I answer that it is not that it is sold in Spain, what I have always said is that a Cuban friend of mine who lives in Spain, when he comes to Cuba and takes the ones he has at that moment and he sells them on ebay cubanbaseball, the last time he took the three volumes, but I don't know if he sold them, because right now I have no connection with ebay, but I published it because They ask me, last week one of the members of net54, who had ordered volume 2 from me, will deliver it to a person who travels to the United States and when he arrives, will he send it to him along with other things he wanted, when my friend Victor come back to Cuba from Spain, you will surely take the ones you order from me days before the trip.

I show 2 photos of the games of the memory in the 60s to 90s, in the 1st to Rodolfo Fernández, Cocaina García and Agapito Mayor, in the 2nd Orlando Peña and my friend Ruben Guedes, semi-pro league player.

A few days ago I was reading an auction where José Mendez and other cards from the Romeo y Julieta cigar collection were, but I have no connection and I don't know the result, I would appreciate it if someone who reads me informs me of these cards.

They included: F. Espineira; R. Ramos; and M. Santamaria.

Romeo y Julieta 1922
 

Jorge, thanks, but what I asked was the result of the auction, that is: how much did they pay for Mendez's cards, another from an Almendares player and the amateurs that you mention, I'm interested in knowing how much they paid for each one $$$ .

With buyers premium
Mendez 19,470
Hidalgo 1,427
$519 for the other 3 mentioned previously.

Jamie, I am very grateful for the information, but that was the final price? since you mention before BP and taxes, or is it the price with the discounts? Thank you very much

I updated my previous post.

Jamie, thank you very much for the information, without very rare cards, years ago when the first of the professionals appeared, they invited me to comment on them, since before putting them on ebay, they took them to my house, I had them from that year 1922, but amateurs, and from that previous group, those that did not sell on ebay, I bought them and have them in my collection, I explained my considerations, by the date that appears on the back and the date they were printed 1922, I always expressed that they were original and not fakes, these that were sold were never in my hands, and I have not seen them, but I think they are from that series, I would like to see them front and back, thanks.