Just got this '77 Nolan Ryan sticker back from PSA, ended up getting a 2, which I'm super happy with.

https://i.imgur.com/XMXVhnj.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/E2AAQsi.jpg?1


And here are all of the Venezuelan grades from the bulk sub:

POOR 1 1967 Venezuela Topps 158 Luke Appling
GOOD 2 MK 1967 Venezuela Topps 159 Nap Lajoie
GOOD 2 1966 Venezuela Topps 120 Harmon Killebrew
GOOD 2 1967 Venezuela Topps 303 Willie McCovey
VERY GOOD 3 1964 Venezuela Topps 120 Don Drysdale
GOOD 2 1964 Venezuela Topps 150 Willie Mays
GOOD 2 1962 Venezuela Topps 28 Minnie Minoso
GOOD 2 1962 Venezuela Topps 190 Wally Moon No Cap
VERY GOOD 3 1962 Venezuela Topps 175 Frank Howard
GOOD 2 1977 Venezuelan League Stickers 137 Rod Carew
POOR 1 MC 1977 Venezuelan League Stickers 151 Steve Carlton
POOR 1 MC 1977 Venezuelan League Stickers 159 Tom Seaver
POOR 1 MC 1977 Venezuelan League Stickers 177 Willie McCovey
GOOD 2 MC 1977 Venezuelan League Stickers 160 Jim Palmer
POOR 1 MC 1977 Venezuelan League Stickers 147 Lou Brock
GOOD 2 1977 Venezuelan League Stickers 158 Nolan Ryan

Wow, I’m very jealous of your 64 Mays!

Thanks! Was going to say the same thing about your Pete Rose 64, don't usually see Venz with corners like that. Good stuff.

I enjoyed reading and catching up on this thread....it has been awhile. It does seem that more collectors are starting to enjoy the significant challenge of collecting Venies.

Grabbed this off ebay recently, my first auto'ed Venezuelan.

https://i.imgur.com/3DofSqa.jpg?3

https://i.imgur.com/H8gZOT1.jpg?1

Heads up to everyone, there's a new listing up on Ebay for a 67 Retirado Koufax, that was cracked from a PSA 1 case. It looks like there was a mark of paper loss on the front in the PSA case, and the mark has now been cleaned up... possibly "restored/conserved". Just a friendly heads up.

New listing:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Topps-...y/372890615564

Listing in a PSA case:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1967-T...-/274091340012

Koufax
 

Definitely looks like the same card but is it possible that the front “spot” could be extra paper that was taken off instead of being colored in or “restored”?
Rick

I believe
 

both sellers are members here.

Yeah I sent a message to the current seller, asking what happened with the front surface. He said it was additional paper on the front (as opposed to paper loss), and that the extra bit of paper stuck to the psa case when it was cracked.

I need opinions. To me it looks like 2 genuine and 2 reprints.

I concur

All four are legit. As a rule of thumb on 1972 Venezuelans, if there is any evidence of the card being glued into an album it is the real deal, if the back is clean with absolutely no evidence of ever being placed into an album it is one of those mid 2000's counterfeits. The cards on the left are the legit cards and the cards on the right are examples of the counterfeit cards. It's very easy to see the difference in font on the Sadecki in Action card, the Martinez and McAndrew cards are a little more difficult but the difference in font can be seen by comparing the names. The legit cards also have clearer photos. I don't know if the #105 Sadecki card was ever counterfeited.

Great info, thanks Cliff.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/164024739438

I've only been collecting Venezuelans for about a year, so I don't have a great idea of the market for the super high-end cards, but I was shocked by this price. Worth noting, the highest bidder has zero feedback.

I don’t have the best eye for this, but it looks trimmed to me. Would also explain why somebody wouldn’t have it graded for resale.

Yeah it certainly looks to be small, based on the amount of border showing. I don't own very many 68's, so don't know if that's common among that set.

I collect the 68s and that one doesn’t look right.

First thing I thought when I saw it
 

Even assuming it was legit - that is an unusually high price tag for that card in that condition (If not trimmed - probably a 2-4k card).

Looks like a fake to me too. 68’s have a gray stock and that picture makes it look like it has white paper stock. And really someone with zero feedback that’s the first card you bid on cries hanky panky. When it first came up I thought it looked short also.
He also has a 52 mantle for sale it’s at $8 for those of you that think it’s real like this card.
Rick

Someone trying to capitalize!
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Venezu...AAAOSwMY9eHhdf

Too bad - he's a good seller, but is pretty frequently overpriced - Sure he saw the one we have been talking about to price his. His looks a bit short l/r also - anyone have experience if that is common for the issue?

Didn't even notice that!
 

But I think you are spot on! Wow!

Yes, they are all short the long way. I've seen at least 10 of them and every one of them was short. PSA undoubtedly allows a tolerance on them or else none would be graded if they had to be exact.

Sorry for the basic question, which may have been answered somewhere in here already. Do all 1959 Venezuelan cards have the "IMPRESO EN VENEZUELA POR BENCO C.A" line in them? Or is it some do, some don't?

I wish they did, but roughly half of them do and half of them have Printed In USA. The low numbers 1-110 are easy to tell because they are gray back and the Topps are white back, but the high numbers 111-196 are the same gray color backs as Topps 111-196. There are also 1959 Venezuelan variation cards with cream color backs to make it more confusing but they are very rare. The first 59 Venezuelan card is a gray back with Impreso En Venezuela, the second 59 Venezuelan card is a gray back with Printed In USA, the third 59 Venezuelan card is a cream back with Impreso En Venezuela, the fourth 59 Venezuelan card is a cream back with Printed In USA.

I just completed a type run of the Vennie's with a 59 cream Impreza back I just picked up. Very interesting issues for the decade they were issued.

Can someone enlighten me as to why the 1977 Venezuela Nolan Ryan carries a price premium over all others in the same set? It doesn't seem to be any more scarce, even by PSA counts (even though I know it is likely submitted more frequently than lesser players).

Just thought I would get input from the experts around here.

I have 10 Braves cards from the 64 Venz set I'm looking to trade or sell. If anyone wants details, either pm me here or email: dbesse27@hotmail.com

Probably the same reason the 1968 Venezuelan Ryan/Koosman goes for way more than any other 1968 Venezuelan card, there is a huge demand for it. The 1968 Venezuelan Clemente is a far distant second.

Crossover Advice
 

Hello all, I have been collecting 68 Venezuela now for about a year with distance intentions of completing the set in PSA 2 or above. I am curious as to what to do with this Nolan. Do you all think it will get MK for that mark on the back left side or should I just keep it in this grade? I don't want qualifiers and plan on keeping it for the collection. This is the highest SGC on file (there are only 3 of them total). Thank you and looking forward to getting to know you all.

Matt

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You're a better man than me, that's quite an ambitious undertaking. I can't even complete the 1968 Venezuelan Cubs team set, Byron Browne has eluded me for several years.

Well if it helps, I don’t have him either. I figured trying to complete this set will take me several years, just happened to pull the trigger on the Nolan early. Think it’s a PSA 2 NQ?

I'm not into graded cards so I can't answer your question, but someone who sent in 1972 Venezuelans to PSA told me that they automatically graded them 1-Poor if they have any glue or paper residue from being removed from an album. It looks like your Ryan/Koosman has residue from being removed from an album, but I don't know how they would consider it on a 1968 Venezuelan card versus a 1972 Venezuelan sticker/stamp.

It's a nice card
 

The glue on the back is a PSA wildcard. Just not comfortable speculating what they might do with it grade wise. It's a nice looking card and an easy sell (when the day comes) with that clean a front and at least an evenly "glued" back with no paper loss. You could always send it in and pop it out of the holder if PSA doesn't give it a 2.
Several years would be an accomplishment - some of the mid and high #'s are INSANE to find at all in any condition.
I am working on a Venezuelan superstar collection for about 20 years now.

Thank you for the replies, he ships out tomorrow for PSA. I put 2 minimum and NQ. I hope that’s not too much to ask. Considering what it costs to get it done, I can’t imagine I will have a lot of opportunity to resend it back to them for grading. I have accumulated over 200 of the set of which 45 are graded 2 and above. This card would be a nice one to have as a 2!

You shouldn't get hit with an MK qualifier for the glue on the back. As Howard mentioned, there's no paper loss, which is great. In my experience, paper loss gets penalized more than glue residue stuck to the card. i wouldn't be surprised at all if it got a 2.

Great looking card regardless of the grade. Good luck, and be sure to share the results here.

2 it is!
 

I am okay with that!

Congratulations
 

Congrats!

Hey folks,

Been lurking and looking at all the amazing stuff folks have. Really great stuff here! I’m newer to the Venezuelans, but like y’all I’m hooked. Got a couple back in the mail today that I wanted to share with you fine folks. Looking forward to seeing more great cards!

Dan

Nice cards! My Lonborg is at PSA as we speak but it won't be as high as yours, thats a real nice example. I also dont have the Drysdale, he is a little high on eBay. Welcome

Got this in from Tampa Bay today. Very excited!

https://i.imgur.com/ttdlYtD.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/ZDjjupd.jpg?1

An all time great image of Sandy-congrats!

Venezuelans to trade
 

I too am interested in building sets for the Venezuelan issues. Mine are generally in LOW grade, especially the backs damaged from being glued into albums. I have hundreds of low grade 1964s and 1966s to swap for my needs. Especially interested in making progress on 1962 & 1968. My want & have lists are:
1959: Venezuelan copyright, set of 196: Have: 2-5 7 11-3 15 18 22 24-8 30 32-3 35-6 38-40 42 45-6 50-1 53-6 59-64 66-8 72 76-8 81-2 84-5 87-8 93 95-6 103 105-6 108-9
1960: (lack of gloss on front only difference), set of 198: NEED: 2 3 5-10 13-4 16 18 22-6 29-32 34 36-7 40-4 46 48 51-2 54 57 59-61 64-5 67-70 72-3 76-9 81 83-4 86 88-92 95 102 105 108-111 114-5 119 123 127 129 134 136-8 143-4 146 148 150 153 158 160 164 174-5 179 183 185-7 189 192 194-7
1962: (Spanish backs) set of 198 NEED: 1-10 12-3 17-8 20 22-5 29 33 35 40-1 43-5 48 50-61 63 65 67 69 70 73-4 76-7 80-1 84-5 88-9 91-2 99 102-4 107 109 110 112-3 116 118 122-4 127 130-1 133 135-143 145 147-8 150 152-3 155-9 162-3 167 169-171 175 177 180-2 185-7 191-2 196-8
1964: (black backs) set of 370 NEED: 9 11 27 50 125 136 146 150 182 210 285 287 300
1966: (no gloss on front only difference), set of 370: NEED: 1 5 10 19 24 27-8 30 32-3 36 41 44 50 52 58-9 63 70 72 90 99-101 107 111 118-9 125-6 132-3 135 145 160 168 172 174 177 180 191 193 195 200 203 206 213-6 218 220 233-4 237 243 250 254 259 270 275 285 288 294 296 298 300 303 310 318 320-1 324 336 339 343 347 349 360 362-3
1967: Minor League set of 138 red backs: NEED 25 60B (blue), 62 74 89 95 107 115B Carrasquel 122 133B (has shadow)
1967 #189-338 set of 150 no borders: HAVE: 195 202-3 207-8 212-4 224 228 233-4 254 256 263 272 293-4 298 301-2 305 308
1967 Retirado #139-188 set of 50 HAVE: 188
1968: HAVE 19 23-4 28 33 36 39 46 48 57 60 62-4 75 79 88 96 106 116 128 132-5 183-4 186-7 195 199 206-7 210 212-3 217 222 226-7 229 232-3 239 243-4 248 250 253 255 258 260 262 265 267-9 272-3 279 283-6 288 293 297 301 303 309 313-5 317-8 322-4 326-7 331 333-5 338-340 343 346-7 349 353 356
1970: NEED: 15 20 39 52 58 64-5 67 71 99 109 116 120 131 145 150 174 184 190 191 202 209 222-4 235-6 255-8 262-3 265-270 272-3 276-7 279 280 284 289 291 296 298

1964 Vens Near Set
 

Hi All,

I recently put up my 1964 set on Mile High in case you're interested:

https://www.milehighcardco.com/1964_...-LOT71376.aspx

Bumping this old thread to try to get some Venny discussions going! Anyone working on sets, or want to post any big pickups from this year?

Here's a few favs from a recent PSA order:

https://i.ibb.co/K0YcqR9/PXL-20241216-193751190.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/P66Pxdv/PXL-20241216-193824038.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/xmpbksf/PXL-20241216-193947394.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/pJ5xsJ9/PXL-20241216-200750027.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/khwShjr/PXL-20241216-200804935.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/Yp9CnCv/PXL-20241216-200822465.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/yh74Cf8/PXL-20241216-200847661.jpg

Picked up the last couple I needed this year to finish the whole run so haven’t been buying much anymore. Will pick up 59 cream backs if they are reasonable. Moving on to the next sets.

Congrats Rick on finishing the Venezuelan runs, that's an incredible feat. What sets are you focused on next?

Nothing specific but never finished the bowman run and random oddball/regional sets.

It’s been a few months, but picked up a few nice upgrades for my player sets.

A few here....
 

Those are some Beauties Nicolo!!

Congrats Rick - One heck of an accomplishment!


I finished up my Pirates team set run from 1959-1968 - 1967 Maury Wills was the last one and a BEAST of a card to find!! Paid stupid $$ just to get it to wrap up that project.

In addition to the Pirates team sets, I have a Venezuelan "superstar and rookie" collection - realized this year I am missing a 1967 Aaron :( I upgraded my 59 Mantle from a PSA 2 (which is now available if anyone is looking) to an SGC 3.5. Also picked up and have available a PSA 1.5 1972 Ryan stamp that will leave you shaking your head at the grade when you see it.

Nicolo:
Those are blazers, great looking cards.

Howard:
Congrats on the Pirates run, that's awesome. I had no idea the Maury Wills 67 so was tough, I just added that my want list :)
I landed a 67 Aaron last year, I way overpaid for an SGC A. I'm still patiently waiting to add a 67 Bob Gibson.

Here's my 67 Aaron:
https://i.ibb.co/K0kLKn2/PXL-20231228-021414772.jpg

Not nearly as impressive as any of your accomplishments, but I did finish my 1968 World Series run! Always looking for upgrades, but happy to have it, especially that Yaz!

Have a bunch of extra high grade HOF and Retirado if anyone is hunting.

Dan

Dan, love the 68 WS run, congrats!

Here's my shortlist I'm looking for, if you have any available:
1967 Venezuelan Topps Bob Gibson
1967 Venezuelan Topps Ernie Banks
1967 Venezuelan Topps Curt Flood
1968 Venezuelan Topps Hank Aaron
1968 Venezuelan Topps Nolan Ryan (longshot)

Thanks!!!

I have the Aaron all star from 68, but not the base.

I think I have a Banks dupe but if I remember right it has a lot of back damage.

So funny that this thread would have just been picked up again - I stumbled on the original 2015 thread a few months ago having known very little about Venz. I'm nearly complete with the full Senators Bowman / Topps / Fleer runs from '48 to '74, so to have found these issuances has been a really fun project.

Ended up down a rabbit hole and connected with a Net54 member who got me off to a great start, and picked up some from eBay. Figured I'd grab a few dupes where they were easy as trade opportunities. Here's where I'm at by set, if anyone has anything they are willing to trade or sell, please let me know! Thanks for bringing this back to life!

VZ Senators Run - 38 of 91
'59 Topps VZ: 6/12 (need: 4, 33, 74, 78, 93, 116)
'60 Topps VZ: 1/12 (need: 9, 43, 56, 76, 87, 99, 114, 123, 136, 175, 193)
'62 Topps VZ: 1/7 (need: 42, 51, 79, 90, 125, 152)
'64 Topps VZ: 12/17 (need: 46, 52, 134, 167, 343)
'66 Topps VZ: 6/18 (need: 46, 77, 95, 149, 165, 194, 211, 251, 274, 294, 351, 369)
'67 Topps VZ: 2/8 (need: 139, 176, 188, 201, 243, 289)
'68 Topps VZ: 10/17 (need: 6, 31, 49, 66, 131, 231, 268)

I should have some of these senators. Do you have condition requirements?

I don’t - especially the VZ issuances, this feels like a completion challenge and not a PSA set registry adventure! Would be super interested in any you may have.

Hi, please DM me a price for the 1959 Mantle PSA 2!!

Thanks,

Andy

I have 20 of them if you want to send me your email I’ll get you some pictures.