LOVE those last two shares! Exactly the stuff I try and chase when I think of print variations!

New arrivals
 

Here are four of my new arrivals: 77 Blue with partially missing lower left border, 59 Conley with yellow blob, 72 Killebrew wrong back (Astros Rookies on the back, miscut), 81 Lynn crazy miscut.

i am not a variation guy at all. not to say, i don't have extreme respect for folks and their eyes that can find this type of stuff.

...i still cant find waldo.

with that being said, not sure if this is a noted one or not, but i thought something looked off on the 61 koufax card.

it took me a while, but then it hit me. the "A"s in "sandy koufax" are filled in w/ white.

not a scanner fill in, card is in hand.

http://caimages.collectors.com/psaim...variation1.jpg

http://caimages.collectors.com/psaim...20correct1.jpg

There's a recurring anomaly on 1972 Tom Timmermann cards. On the upper half of the right side white border, there is a short, black, vertical line and a little ways down from there is a deflated balloon shape and some random lines.

Here are three separate cards containing these anomalies…

Attachment 221493

Variants
 

I wonder if we picked one random card from every Topps set 52 to 79, and one of us variant obsessive types were assigned to research each card, front and back, for any variant cards on eBay for a specified period, say a month, if it would tend to indicate every/any card can found with some print defect, recurring or not, if you look long enough and close enough. :confused:

Hi Al,

Can't speak for every year, but for 1952, I'd say nope. You couldn't do it with just any random card in the set. At least with regard to RECURRING print defects. Sure if you count one time defects on a card as a variation like the Bartirome with the overprinted red ink on back - you probably could find something on every card in the set. But in my opinion, that card is not a variation. It's just a one off printing mistake. Makes it one of a kind. But not an addition to the checklist.

Cheers,
Patrick

Variants
 

Personally I do not consider any variant a variation unless it was changed intentionally by the manufacturer (that would include unintentional changes that occurred from intentional changes or set up in the printing process)

I do think it is often impossible to tell if a recurring print defect was intentionally changed. But non recurring print defects or unintentional temporary print defects, whether common, scarce or rare, are not real variations....for me.

But, my point was that if we searched long enough and close enough on any card, front and back, it would not surprise me if you would eventually find a print variant of some sort. I think most the cards posted in this thread are not variations, but they are variants ( cards that differ from their common counterpart in some way).

Completely agree with this. You can take any 2 same player/year cards from pre-1990 and you will find some kind of print flaw that is different between the 2 cards. Some people even list these print flaws on eBay as variations for 100X and more of their normal value. At least with those prices you don't have to worry about shilling.;)

Sadly, Ben .... you still do.

Hi Guys:

I am not bigtime into this stuff. In fact I am not collecting Topps myself after selling my collection years ago. But I do love variations in the things I do collect.

I saw this recently and wondered if it has been noted.

Notice the difference in color on the Mays jersey, but more so on the color of the sky in the upper right corner.

Fred

variants
 

Do not recall that one being mentioned, but color and tint differences in other cards have been noted, and think you can find them on many cards in most sets. Here are couple of more recent extreme example:

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0xsl6lnf.jpg

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img250.jpg

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps21323040.jpg

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps46f5d4ec.jpg

While looking to upgrade some of my 59's I noticed these Dick Brown print anomalies…

Attachment 221568

The two on the left have red and black shapes in the margin, while the pair on the right each have a vertical blue line appearing in the lower right, white area.

And these two Milt Graff cards have an anomalous slanted line just outside of his left ear…

Attachment 221574

1959
 

Good ones, Darren. Is there a color difference on Brown as well ?

1961 Foytack
 

Many of these have this line on his leg. I would say about 30% or so do.

Neat Koufax variation! I never noticed one like that before. Did you ever notice the magenta square in the lower right corner just under his arm? I believe it's an uncorrected print defect. I've looked unsuccessfully for a variation without it but have never seen one.

Roy Face with black eye
 

Roy Face

black eye
 

Maybe it happened when the card took a beating :)

Just noticed this one on E-Bay.

Black star on the back of this 52 Topps card? It looks like it is going to go for big bucks too?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-B...UAAOSwzhVWs1JG

Black Star
 

Long time recognized "variation". There are also some partial black stars out there, and versions with partial missing front borders. They have some hobby recognition but are not part of the PSA registry master list and so do not carry as big a premium as the black star

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img089.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps79d0bc28.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...psd9dff03d.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps77b20073.jpg

Speaking of Roy Face, there is supposed to be a recurring 1967 Topps Roy Face printing error that is partially missing his name on the back of the card. I have heard of this card and seen it in want lists but have never actually seen evidence of one. I have also heard of, but never seen, 1959 Gus Triandos missing stats on the back, 1965 Turk Farrell with a large ink blob on the front of the card, and 1975 Ken Sanders with a large brown area in the lower left corner. If anyone has one of these, please post a photo of it.

Thanks.

Guess those bidding on the card I posted think it is something special based on what they are bidding on the card for.

No harm in trying to bump it up I guess?? ;)

1928 Harrington's with and without the apostrophe. Also the backs can be different by an extra offer

just picked this up. lower left quarter panel is entirely white...

http://caimages.collectors.com/psaim...6variation.jpg

looks like it sat in the sun and is faded

Variants
 

Finally we have a real variation man in this thread :)

....welcome

thanks I do many variations and the miscut, faded, etc. are not variations. those are factory errors and mainly worthless. example of a true variation is the 1967 bolin white streak. a miscut card of a 1968 johnny bench rookie card showing half his face is worth zero unless you use it as a conversation piece showing on how bad quality control was back then.

Variation
 

What is your personal definition of a "true variation " ? :) Do you think the Bolin was an intentionally corrected error or an unintended recurring print defect, and in either event how could one tell....or does it matter ?

+1. Nearly all of the 1967 Topps "variation" cards are actually just printing flaw error cards. These include the frontal errors of Bolin, Spiezio, Nen, G. Brown, and the back errors of Marichal, Queen, Belinsky, Phillies Rookie Stars, and Gomez.

The 1967 cards I agree that they are "printing flaws" but they we corrected. I do not recognize such errors as miscuts, print dots or faded. if the printing company made a correction, then I believe it is a variation - 1969 white letters - 1966 purple tree Heffner. this could be argued all day long.

Variants
 

If they were intentionally corrected it would be a "true variation". Examples would be the 1959 Spahn DOBs or traded/optioned cards....no doubts.

But agree with Cliff the 67s could well be unintentional print defects that simply occurred in some runs but we're not detected. There are thousands of such defects, including in my mind the 58 Herrer and 57 Bakep. There is no way to tell if such cards were early run errors that were intentionally corrected, or just a temporary undetected defect in the printing process. I think the no name Thomas may also have been a temporary unintentional recurring print defect. On most such cards, you simply can not tell if a recurring print defect was intentionally corrected. The hobby recognizes some but not others.

For myself, a true variation is a card that the manufacturer clearly changed intentionally, or a card that differs from it's counterparts because an intentional change was made in the printing process itself....the 62 greenies and double print differences such as occurred in the 52 Mantle, Robinson and Thompson are examples of the latter. But that's just me and many may disagree.

If you read this entire thread you can see this debate played over and over. There is not recognized hobby standard, so to each their own. Many in here , myself included, collect variants ( cards that differ from their common counterpart) whether they are "true variations"or not.

Look forward to you contributions to the thread

red fades first, don't forget.

1961 #207 Dodger Southpaws
 

I know everyone is aware of the green bleed on the back of some, but here is a frontal version difference. The left version has a short blue line to the left of Podres' head and a black mark of some kind in the upper right margin. There is also a border break at the top.

1957 Topps 133 Del Crandall
 

I had not come across this recurring print variation until today....Del has a dark blue line extending from the "M" on his cap across the bill of his cap to his forehead. Found one copy on ebay in addition to my copy.

1959
 

Picked some of these up after seeing them on a web site devoted to the 1959 set. Apologize for dark scans...having scanner issues. All are recurring

The Grammas may be a real variation, since the blob appears to have been airbrushed before being eliminated. The Hall has a couple of errant yellow dots. The Finnigan has a black dot on his chin that looks like it is part of the auto but is not and is not present on most cards. It would be clear on a better scan. 198 Davenport...bad back scan, has distinct line extending through back # into bio below. Bessent has a blue line through the 2nd S in his name. Burton 231 (dark scan) has a red tail at the top right of bio box on back. Wise has a red mark under cartoon on back. The Senators card ( dark scan) has a divot out of the W in Washington, a dot above the players to right of Senators and some dark marks right of the logo. These three things are recurring and occur together. On Burdette the L in his name has a tail and on Throneberry there is printers mark, which differs in dimensions, in lower right front border

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...psbkh9vt24.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1458060478

Nice P/Us.....the back of the 181 Porterfield card has the extension of the line found on back of the 198 Davenport card.

Cliff posted a pic here:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=171784

Finnigan
 

There is some possibility the Finnigan is a variation. The dot on his chin may have been an errant dot for the i in Finnigan that was removed due to it's location on his face...maybe not ;)

Davie has print defects in bottom of Tiger logo. Yellow outside the cat and on right red inside

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1458070378

1959
 

On Daley the card without the white dot is a WB, but the white dot appears on both white and gray back cards

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1458070873

Junk Wax Variation from sheet A* not A*B. The bold back seems to be the same as the cards used in Desert Shield and Desert Storm and also part of the bold back set. These were out of wax packs.

1964 topps 77 jerry walker
 

I have not seen the two white lines that cross the "I", "N" and top left corner of the "D" in the team's name previously discussed. Out of about 120 copies between ebay and COMC, I found 4 copies which have the white lines across the team name.

1949 Bowman cards
 

Not exactly variations....but, color printing errors. Campy missing Orange ink, and High #'s Doby, Sisler and Snider missing Yellow ink.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SislerDoby.jpg


TED Z
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1949
 

Ted--In 1982 Topps had it’s Blackless and apparently in 1949 Bowman had it's Yellowless :)

Hey Al

The color printing errors of the early Bowman's are all over the place. Here are some more examples.

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...olorerrors.jpg



TED Z
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More 1949 Bowman color printing errors
 

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...sslateblue.jpg



TED Z
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1967 Topps 91 Lewis
 

While there are other print variations noted for this card, I had not seen the recurring white spot above the "O" in Johnny before today. The white spot's size does vary from card to card also.

1967
 

what are the other Lewis variants for 67 ?

Richard D's variation list notes these other two variations for the 67 #91 card: 1)Light pink stain / mark on left elbow, 2)Gap in horizontal line under H on stats reverse

67 Lewis
 

Do you know if there is a version of the card without the gap ?

I do have both...the one pictured above in the original post about this card has the "filled in" line. You can see where the gap has been unevenly filled in.

1957 #361 Barclay
 

Notice the purple items in the same spot but slightly different.

Lewis and Barclay
 

Larry---finally found a Lewis with no gap, but they are definitely in the minority

Tom---you need to get a hobby...no...wait....never mind

1959 #204 Wise
 

Here are three versions of the back border area with annotation.

Penn Emblem Variation
 

Hi All:

While this is not a PRINT variation, it is a variation none the less.

Luzinski Penn Emblem Patch with and without pinstripes on his left shoulder. Without seems to be the harder to find

Anyone else have this or other variations in the Penn Emblems?

Fred

Patches
 

I don't collect them but that is an interesting find, Fred

I have a complete 1962 green tint set for trade, and I noticed that my Murphy has a weird white line floating in the sky. It's not an after-market defect, as it's actually part of the printing of the card. So I did some searching through ebay completed auctions and I found another one (card on the left) with this same anomaly. It's not in the exact same position (just a hair further to the right), but it is the exact same line. These are the only two I have seen.

67 Lewis
 

Pink can be on either arm...both together ?

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1459369694

Good ole Teddy comes with and without those two red spots/slashes above "RED" and below "SOX" at the border.

Attachment 226459

I was putting away some recent purchases today and noticed what seems to be some sort of airbrush job on this card. I am being lazy and using ebay scans, but my pair of cards have a similar difference.

Ray
 

Very noticeable difference Curt. Looks like a shadow was removed


Interesting on Williams Darren. Not hard to find the red dot ones....just a little expensive :-)

Most every card Post Cereal card cut from a box has at least one if not multiple variations. These variations mainly with involve the cropping of the image (these two copies of this card are also cropped different), but also with variances with the color/brightness of either the background or players image (as in this case). Most of these variances are due to what original product type the card appeared on.

1968 TOPPS 214 Yankees Rookies
 

I had not noticed until today that the black left border of this card comes either "straight" or "slightly indented" at top and middle. After a very quick look through available copies, it appears that approximately 9 of 10 have the straight edge. Here are two copies of the "slightly indented" left border.

1968
 

Larry-- you simply have to start noticing these things sooner :)

I know, right

1960 #383 Wagner
 

Notice the triangle between his leg and the right margin on each.

1960
 

Tom-- I finished out my 1960 set in gray and white back. My gray back is white and the white back is blue. Do you know if that difference always corresponds with the different backs ?

1958 TOPPS 208 Cal McLish
 

These two copies of Cal's 58 Topps card both have what appears to be a small cursive style "L" just to the left of his cap bill.

Post Cereal Variations
 

The comment is correct. For all 3 years of Post Cereal, the front of the box colors dictated the print. So depending on what cereal box they were on the shades and croppings could be different. This also occurred in the Football set and the 2 Jello sets.

This isn't exactly scientific or anything, but if you look on COMC it seems all of the Wagner cards that are missing the blue are grey backs.

The blue triangle is on white back and the white is on a gray back.

Some 1965 AL ERA Leaders cards have that weird black and red mark running across the bottom…

Attachment 227405

1974 topps 385 don gullett
 

Not sure is this has been noticed before or not, but found this Gullett card with a limited recurring border break along the bottom team banner.

I picked up this interesting "freak" at a flea market today:

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4qtgvr7u.jpg

Brinkmanship
 

Good one Howie, since the Brinkman is already has a recognized 1968 yellow variation... even though the variation is in all cases a Milton Bradley card. Is the yellow a real variation of the 68 set or just a "common" card of the MB set ? Or both ? :)

Has anyone ever seen this before with this Aaron card or any other from the 1960 set? Could it be doctored?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-TOPPS-3...3D371595093061

1960
 

Interesting Larry. I have not seen anything like it in 1960. I have a couple of similar things from other years. Great card if a legit print defect

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img344.jpg

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4ace9163.jpg

Al, after seeing the 63 Retzer, it certainly seems likely that this 60 Aaron is legit.

In regards to the 68 Torborg, I have a Hiller #461 with a similar print defect on the right side.....I could not find an uncut sheet from this series, but I wonder if the Torborg and Hiller are next to each other on the sheet?

Here is an image of the 60 Aaron also:

Very cool card. Looks to be missing most of the black ink. Doubt it is doctored, pretty hard to remove the black in the logo and leave the red.

1968
 

Larry-- I have one of the Hiller's as well, both it and the Retzer are recurring. Wonder if the Aaron is unique.

Ben, I agree, it does appear that just the black ink is missing from that area of the card and this Aaron is legit.

Al, my guess is that either or both of the cards that appeared next to Aaron (or possibly all 11 on the Aaron's row) on it's original sheet are likely missing the black ink in the same area. I was not able to locate an image of the sheet from that series to see which cards were located next to the Aaron. Even with the age of the internet, I have never seen any other 1960 Topps cards like this, so it may very well be unique.

1963 Topps 5 NL ERA leaders
 

Found this..while it is tough to see, the left's card "C" on the cap stays on the white, while on the other, the "C" extends just slightly onto the blue background. Imagine there being yet another cropping variation on a 63 Topps card, and as with many of the cropping variations, there appear to be an equal number of each.