I'm sorry but I can't help but to find it humorous that some of the most egregious shillers were also victims.

I was more speaking in general, and not necessarily related to Mastro. And yes, you wouldn't know the max bid....that's why sometimes shillers do win unintentionally.

Quickly glancing... is it that or is it just that they won an item back or helped another consigner win an items back. I'll scratch yours if you scratch mine sort of deal.

Sickening.....but not surprising. Thank you for sharing the list. Some very disgusting stuff.

Not sure, there are different line items for winners and "victims" so I am assuming this was determined.

I think we should start creating our list.

If the shiller or consignor is with a current AH, then they will be part of this list.

Here's an interesting one:

http://legendaryauctions.com/LotDeta...entoryid=70892

Apparently this was the only Lionel Carter auction that was shilled. I very much doubt that Carter himself was involved in the shilling - I doubt this would have been his one auction to choose to shill. I would guess, instead, that Mastro had knowledge of the highest bid and then did this in order to increase the premium.

Yup, used to be the first thing I turned to in Tuff Stuff

I noticed a couple from PSA's "Board of Experts" in the shill bidder column. One in particular is seen many times.

This list was NOT put out by the govt. Doug Allen entered this document the way it is into the proceedings. I believe This list was carefully gone over and researched by the govt before it was made. But then again what do I know?

Also, NOW is the time to write a letter to the judge if you are concerned. Sentencing is in 2 weeks......

Judge Ronald A. Guzman
219 South Dearborn Street
Chicago, Illinois 60604


Case No. 12 CR 567-2 United States Vs Doug Allen

I am contemplating it...

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