Picked this up, had been looking for this for some time, a WGN ‘54 Indians

Domer … remember that other ‘54 Indians we discussed a few days ago? These rectangular “pennants” seem to be from the same maker. It’s pretty much a certainty. Curious, do you still think these are Trench?

Good observation. Well ... I never thought of that banner (or the similar Dodgers and Yankees versions) as being a strong candidate for Trench; but, I certainly couldn't rule them out. They do look alike, don't they?

Unfortunately, these banners were all made pre-1957, which is about when Tom Storm's father purchased Trench. When I last spoke with Mr. Storm, he could not recall ever making banners (or, "rectangular pennants); but he wasn't really involved in the company until the early 1960s, well after these were made.

Whoever did make these banners, I believe they only made them for the league champions in '52 , '53, and '54, correct? Are there others? I can't recall ever seeing a '54 N.Y. Giants banner that complements this Indians one. But if one was made ... I know two guys who'll know ;)

Here's the only vintage photograph I know of showing a banner like this: https://pennantfever.weebly.com/who-we-are.html

This photo was taken in the center field bleachers at Yankee Stadium during the '53 World Series. I believe there's ample evidence that Yankee Stadium, in the mid-1950s, was a Sport Service ballpark. If so, that makes it more likely this banner was supplied to them by Trench.

Curious to get thoughts on this one which just ended tonight for $2300 (plus $5.70 for standard shipping :cool:)

Orig 1911 VANDERBILT CUP AUTO RACE Souvenir PENNANT 34" Savannah Georgia

https://ebay.us/qOXEAH

It seems way off to me (despite the sellers guaranteed authenticity). It's very white for 110 years old. Also interesting, it looks nothing like 1910 or 1912 Vanderbilt Cup pennants, neither of which has sewn on letters or images. In fact there is another 1911 Cup pennant that does closely resemble the 1910 and 1912 pennants (and it sold for $5700+ on ebay about 10 years ago). No pin holes seems unlikely as well. Lastly, the image of the car in tonights auction shows only a single driver, while all other pennants have two in the car. I don't know enough about the race or these pennants to know for sure but I see enough red flags that I wouldn't have bid on it. Also below are the other 1910 thru 1912 Vanderbilt Cup pennants...

Casey Stengel w/ 1953 Banner
 

From Getty...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b7dd9f1c_z.jpg

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New arrivals
 

A couple of new arrivals today.

Catalog refs: NYG032-TREN and NYYK053-TBC

Not the rarest items but I was happy to pick them up in good condition at a good price.

Any ideas about the manufacturer of the Yankees pennant?

Yankees looks like a modern creation? Looks stiff and has creases.

Hi Rob, it is a stiffer variety pennant. But it seems consistent with others that I have from the 1960s. I've taken a couple of close up photos.

I'm open to opinions.

Yeah...Looks like it could be 60s up close. Egner's book labels it 1950s, which would imply soft material. The book is probably just off a decade....or perhaps the material changed over time from the 50s to the 60s.

The Yankees pennant looks good to me. Couldn’t tell you who made it. :confused:

I saw that too, but I didn’t see what it ended at. I thought it was legit as that was a common style for that era. I understand what you mean about different styles, but I think it’s good. Just my opinion.

The Yankees pennant is early 70’s utilizing the older styles. That style was used from the 50’s all the way to I guess the 70’s. The pennant needs to be dated on the material and stitching. Generally these pennants were already using synthetic stitching for the piping, but not all. The earliest of synthetic pennants still used regular fabric string / thread for stitching the piping.

The Yankees pennant, I believe, is by ADFLAG. I think it may have been made somewhere in the 1960s.

The "New York" script matches other known ADFLAG pennants from that era for the Yankees and (AFL) Jets.

Thanks. I was thinking it had to be made somewhere before 1969, otherwise it would have the MLB logo.

What pushed me later initially was that it's warped. 1970s material is more prone to warping than 1960s material. At the end of the day, pennant dating is like horseshoes and hand grenades....close counts and is as good as we'll ever get unless it's dated.

This is correct.

I have that same Yankees version on softer felt. They went with that particular design for many years. The really stiff ones are late 1960s - early 1970s. I have seen them so brittle that they actually crack (not something that real felt would ever do, and that's where I draw the line in my personal collection, haha).

Beware of some pennant lots in the Huggins and Scott Auction that just opened. I see at least 3 lots with reproduction pennants that are not disclosed, and are being sold as original...

913
916
930

Hope this is helpful!

Mark, looks like they corrected 913. But yeah the others are just as bad. I mean, c’mon now, they can’t tell???

But the pervert Brooklyn child molester is the real deal! :p

Yes but I have seen repros of the molester pennant, too, on cardboard-like felt.

On a related note, I wish Mitchell & Ness stamped their repros. Their existence screws up the market.

Amen to that!

Lot 2059 in the current REA is a great photo, as it puts a specific 1916 date on some Brooklyn Pennants we've discussed here. Very rare to be able to put a specific date on pennants this early. There just aren't many "pennant photos" like this to have survived.

My dumb new laptop won't allow me to copy/paste a link, but thought that many here would find the photo interesting.

Wow what a great pic!!! Gotta love those white dated pennants, just like the Red Sox versions that have appeared. Don’t think the Dodgers have ever surfaced in auction. But there’s the batter pennant kinda hidden, too.

Anyone know of any Superbas/Robins pennants besides the ones from the bakery?

Looks like d**gers fans were goofy, even 100+ years ago.

I've never seen this exact photo before; but, beware, there's a better photo taken (I presume) by the same photographer from a different angle that the Library of Congress now owns....

The photo was taken at game #1 of the 1916 World's Series at Braves Field; and, the woman on the far right is Mrs. Ed McKeever, the owner of the Brooklyn Dodgers--er, Robins--er, Superbas!

And to Greg's point, this has to be the earliest Brooklyn pennant to feature the nickname, "Dodgers," thereon because most simply read "Brooklyn" from that era.

Apparently, they stocked up on pennants before boarding their train to Boston because there's no less than 5 Brooklyn pennants depicted in the photo if you look carefully enough.

Good stuff, Kyle … on a related note, I wonder if every team is represented in the “B.B.C.” series of 1910s pennants. I haven’t seen Brooklyn in this “series”. Here’s the Washington example for reference … I’ve seen Phillies, Red Sox, Giants, Cubs.

Chicago Pennant Co. college wool pillows
 

I was thrilled to pick this off of a recent eBay run of several different colleges, all in perfect condition. This one has a cool leather insignia. There is a large tag "manufactured by Burton-Dixie, Chicago, Ill." and a smaller tag "manufactured by Chicago Pennant Co., 6542 Cottage Grove Ave., Chicago, Illinois." Anyone have a guess on the vintage of the this beauty?

Domer has dated many of the Chipenco tags in his blog.

Here's something you don't see every day....A Keezer football pennant. I've owned this pennant for years and had no idea it was Keezer.

https://ebay.us/ndBQ3e

Thanks so much, the label dates it to the 1940s.

I always appreciate multiple pictures on ebay, but this guy even gave us an upside down shot. :p

Some people just like to show off...like this Master of Ebay's new photo editing software:

https://ebay.us/iauqsN

That's pretty funny

Houston start pennant
 

So... I think that the pennant on top more or less solves the mystery of whether or not the one below is an Astros pennant.

Meaning, it’s not?

Dammit! This was going to be my "felting" project but I didn't win. :(

Darn.... T'was a perfect candidate!

Pennant catalog
 

It's been a while since my last update but I've been slowly adding to the Pennant catalog. Here's the latest version in pdf form

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sPW...ew?usp=sharing

I have about 12 more pages of this thread to go through and a some tidying up to do. But, as always, your feedback is greatly appreciated.

Thanks to everyone who's shared photos and knowledge for this endeavor.

• The catalog now has 1,273 entries
• 30% have the rarity defined
• There are pennants from 25 manufacturers.
• 43% of the entries have the manufacturer specified

The top 10 teams rankings are as follows:

1. Giants 225
2. Dodgers 173
3. Cubs 84
4. Yankees 65
5. Tigers 63
6. Phillies 52
7. AS Game 44
8. Reds 43
9. White Sox 42
10. Indians 41

I found a nice copy of the elusive 1969 cloth Giants pennant on ETSY. I think I've bought 3 pennants on ETSY in 10 years of insomnia induced searching.

Beautiful, and I believe one of only two pennants in this series in one-color print (the other being the Twins, which does come in both red and blue cloth.)

Picked this one up today at the National https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...13105b6b89.jpg

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Awesome pickup John.... Love the design, and that's a tough one!

I've never really seen anything like it. Are those strings its tassels? :confused:

I guess I need that one. LMK if you see another, bocca!

It appears so, and they feel like the same material as the pennanthttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6b073303dd.jpg

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I don't think those are strings. Tassels look like that if they've been tied in a knot for many years.

Yeah, but they emanate from an odd place….

They definitely are felt and were always that width from what I can see.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...b251f0fc21.jpg

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Same Indian …

Pirates pennants
 

Dug up my pirates pennants that I bought in the late 1970’s

Nice.... Are those 3/4 or full size? Definitely rarer than the typical Trench Stadium versions you typically see.

I’m not sure, they’re approx 27” long

Random, obscure, meaningless observation made to keep this thread from sinking …. Here’s a 1969 Trench Pilots pennant, we’ve all seen it before, but this has a MLB trademark like nothing I’ve seen on any other pennants …

Anyone else have any oddities to share?

Also curious to know if any cool pennants were spotted at the National … anyone?

Not from the National, but Kyle and I had the opportunity to tour Gary Cypres' Sports Museum here in LA and saw some amazing artifacts. We only had a couple of hours and spent most of out time in the Dodgers sections which included virtually ever vintage early Dodger pennant and banner you could imagine, but then knowing Kyle and I liked pennants, Gary pulled this one out of a stack of frames he had in a storage room.

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Been there, and needed a full roll of paper towels to control my drooling. Could you believe the "sea" of Dodgers' game used Uniforms , early equipment, and the gigantic vintage Ad Signs?


That Campanella All Stars Pennant is a Holy Grail. However, I guess it somehow didn't make the cut for being displayed. :confused: Pretty amazing.

I pulled up pics from his museum, only saw a few pennants scattered. Anyone with other pennants pics? I’d love to know if there was either a 1950 or 1953 Dodgers scroll pennant.

I did see the rectangular “pennant” … two of them … so much harder to find than the ‘54 Indians ….

I’m not sure I would want to see a Dodgers museum and I’m not sure Mr. Cypres would let me in…..but is this place open to the public?

P.S. I guess the d**gers didn’t feel they could catch the Giants with only 17 All-Stars on their roster. :mad:

Rob, it is actually much more than a Dodgers museum. Gary's Dodger stuff is incredible (the best Dodger collection in existence without question), but he also has rooms devoted to other teams and sports. We just rushed through the Yankees rooms, passed by a wing devoted to Ruth, and yes, the giants are represented as well.

While the museum used to be open to the public, it is now closed. I met Gary years ago when we both loaned items to the Dodger Stadium pop-up museum (he loaned over 95% of the items shown there and still loans items for exhibit in the stadium), and he graciously allows me to visit the museum from time to time.

BTW, most of the pennants on exhibit are simply nailed to the walls. The Campy pennant pictured above is framed because it will be part of an exhibit Gary is putting together of Negro League players which will be on display at the Stadium.

I just looked through the museum on google images. Wow!

I take it the galleries on his website are just there to tease us? I see he has a Los Angeles Rams one. Not seeing it will haunt me until I finally breakthrough. Anyone get them to open?

Found pictures and video on their facebook page. Not a lot and not very good quality, but I saw "some" of the Rams stuff. I guess I'll add this to the itinerary for my next Rams game.

Good lord!!!!! :eek:

Glad to see he has some Bonds stuff!

What did/does Gary do for money?

http://www.ora.tv/larrykingnow/2013/...res-0_t8qjpguc

Thanks for posting that interview. Amazing.

Are there bigger private collections out there?

I'm playing a bit of catch up on this thread. I love that photo.

Question: Have any of us actually seen any these pennants (e.g. are there any known surviving copies)?

Recent pick-up of one of the 1963 Dodger pennants that Kyle wrote about on his blog. Unfortunately it was sash-less. Luckily Kyle could help me out and bring the pennant back to life.

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Welp, five days to got and the 3D is already past my planned “big” bid. :mad:

That’s a crazy amount given all that’s missing from it. Not making me feel optimistic about getting a Dodgers or Red Sox should another appear ….

Epic Pennant Being Auctioned
 

I hate to out an auction, but this one is so extraordinary and I know so many here would be interested in bidding...that it just seems too selfish to stay quiet about it. Good luck all.

1885 Cubs World Championship Pennant
https://ebay.us/rp6yAO

Recent pick-up. Yes, it is very faded from the original blue, and looks like someone ripped it from the wall, damaging the tip to where it is literally hanging on by a thread. Since it had the elusive 1955 year and "World Series Champs" printed on it, I would have expected it to be quite popular in Brooklyn, despite the plain graphics. But the only other one I have seen was in an ITPC auction years ago, and that one originated from Walter Alston's estate.

Then Kyle visited Dodger Stadium and his eagle eyes spotted this photo of the Dodgers promoting a new stadium in Brooklyn, with this pennant flying proudly above. Always nice seeing these pennants in photos. Thanks Kyle.

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Great find!

Maybe you could remove that redundant 3rd tassel, and use the material to do that knitting/weaving procedure, to strengthen/rebuild the torn tip. You'll never find a better material match. I forget what the procedure is actually called, but someone here will remember, as it wasn't long ago that we discussed the YouTube video ("Felting Needles" or something like that :confused: )

Then again, if it's a cloth pennant.... nevermind :o I think that procedure works only for true felt.

Good thought Mark, but yes, it is cloth. I would probably screw it up trying to repair it. The tip is all there, just half-way ripped off. It looks ok for display purposes.

Yeah, definitely leave it alone. GREAT find!

Great Dodgers pennant, never saw it before. One thing you can do with the faded cloth pennant is brush it gently. This can reveal a richer blue underneath. Something I’ve done with keepers, not for resale. Although I think it looks cool as is …

Great pennant, Rick! That used to be blue?? :eek:

Looks like it faded more to brown than the usual grey...

Think that will reach four figures?

















counting what's after the decimal point? I do not.

Yeah, Rob, the back is a light blue, but the front does look more brown than grey. The one on ITPC was a deep blue.

Two figures (with shipping and tax) is a distinct possibility.