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Duluth Eskimo 09-17-2022 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom (Post 2264658)
Are there other Yankees with this pennant? If not, why in the world Rizzuto? As good as he was, he was never more than the fourth or fifth best player on his teams. What's the year on this, do you think?

There are not. At least that I’ve seen in almost 40 years. My guess would be 1950 or 51 following his MVP season. I’m glad to see there is another one out there. I thought it might have been a one off or few but fed as discussed. It appears to match the Harry Stevens style of many Yankees pennants from that era so maybe a few were made for a banquet or something. Either way, great pick up.

UKCardGuy 09-17-2022 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo (Post 2264801)
There are not. At least that I’ve seen in almost 40 years. My guess would be 1950 or 51 following his MVP season. I’m glad to see there is another one out there. I thought it might have been a one off or few but fed as discussed. It appears to match the Harry Stevens style of many Yankees pennants from that era so maybe a few were made for a banquet or something. Either way, great pick up.


That was my thinking as well. I wondered if it was from an event like a banquet. I'd not seen another and when it came up for auction I remembered American Pickers...."the time to buy it is when you see it." :-)

Any ideas about which company produced it?

thetahat 09-17-2022 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2264819)
That was my thinking as well. I wondered if it was from an event like a banquet. I'd not seen another and when it came up for auction I remembered American Pickers...."the time to buy it is when you see it." :-)

Any ideas about which company produced it?

Personally I think it’s NY area mystery company. Here are two that I believe are from the same company, note the same gold streamer-like design on the ‘55 pennant. One theory is Trench - I think Domer might lean that way? - but the construction seems very different to me than known Trenches of the period. The graphics and artwork is also a vastly different style.

thetahat 09-17-2022 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo (Post 2264584)
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Actually, this is no repro and I shouldn't have referred to it as such. It's an out-and-out fake, intended to deceive, with cracked paint, wool, and all. Best fake pennant I've ever seen, wrong spine notwithstanding, and if whoever made this gets more active, it could prove disruptive and lead to the slabbing and grading of pennants.

This pennant was originally sold by someone who had a similar fugazi Dallas Texans pennant, which I bought and returned. Same quality fake. The letters and graphic were cut out and glued - poorly - not even to the edges so you can see underneath. There is absolutely, positively no way that even a non-collector could hold this and conclude that it is anything but a homemade job.

Hankphenom 09-17-2022 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom (Post 2264794)
This pennant was originally sold by someone who had a similar fugazi Dallas Texans pennant, which I bought and returned. Same quality fake. The letters and graphic were cut out and glued - poorly - not even to the edges so you can see underneath. There is absolutely, positively no way that even a non-collector could hold this and conclude that it is anything but a homemade job.

Good to hear, as the picture made it look good. All the more reason Jonsstats has no business acting as if it might be real.

perezfan 09-17-2022 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2264841)
Personally I think it’s NY area mystery company. Here are two that I believe are from the same company, note the same gold streamer-like design on the ‘55 pennant. One theory is Trench - I think Domer might lean that way? - but the construction seems very different to me than known Trenches of the period. The graphics and artwork is also a vastly different style.

No doubt the Rizzuto is the same maker as the '55 World Series Pennant. I have seen the more common "Yankees" (not Rizzuto) version sporting the same exact fringe instead of tassels. I used to have one but stupidly let it go.

Domer05 09-17-2022 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2264841)
Personally I think it’s NY area mystery company. Here are two that I believe are from the same company, note the same gold streamer-like design on the ‘55 pennant. One theory is Trench - I think Domer might lean that way? - but the construction seems very different to me than known Trenches of the period. The graphics and artwork is also a vastly different style.

Yup, my opinion: the Rizzuto and the '55 WS pennant are by the same maker; and, I'm confident that maker is Trench :)

Mystery maker wasn't known for using tassels. Nor were they known for multi-colored graphics ... or team-specific artwork.

ooo-ribay 09-19-2022 02:29 PM

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Congrats on the trade Rob. What's the pennant?

I was able to trade the first one for the one with the "waterfall" coming out of RF. Both are very rare. Thanks, bocca!

ooo-ribay 09-19-2022 02:30 PM

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Marc also sold me this one at a good price. I have the same pennant but with no added color to the white graphics.

thetahat 09-19-2022 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2265326)
I was able to trade the first one for the one with the "waterfall" coming out of RF. Both are very rare. Thanks, bocca!

I’m seeing other differences in the stadium graphic. Like what appear to be bushes behind the first base stands area, at the base of the light tower. Could the “waterfall” just be an opening in uncompleted bleachers? I wonder if old Candlestick pics could help determine if one is older than the other.


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