Rob hit the nail on the head. Clearly different font and “aged” fabric. Others may disagree and I’m not afraid to be wrong. I have been surprised before by what people have convinced themselves is authentic.

Hey Gary...

I have at least 60 pennants that are not appearing on your spreadsheet. I don't have time to upload/post them all here. But if you can PM me your email address, I can shoot the images over to you. Once I am able get into my bins, there may be another 60. But that's for a later day...

Thanks,
Mark

I'd like to peek into Mark's bins.

Ahhhh. City pennant becomes baseball pennant. :cool:

Gary,
I took a look at your catalog. Nice work. My tech skills are non existent, but that must have taken a long time to put together. Like Mark, I have a number of pennants I could try to photo for you. I just don’t know the easiest way to get the photos to you. Very nice work putting that together.

One of my favorites from my collection. Does anyone know the best way to handle these when shipping to an auction house? I am thinking about consigning some of my better ones but most are matted and framed and under glass. This one and a few generic pennants I'll keep for the game room. My dilemma, for lack of a better word, is it seems I am the only one that appreciates the pennants and the little ones feel restricted in an area they want to be able to play in. Is it a game room (a place to have fun) or Dad's baseball museum (no ball playing allowed!).

Thanks Mark. I've send you and Jason a PM. Any photos or other info that you can share would be gratefully received.

Magnificent Tigers pennant Adam! There's one you never see...

I would not ship them framed. The glass could break, and it would cost a fortune to ship. I would remove them from the frames and ship them one of two ways....

1. Flat, within a plastic sleeve and sandwiched between rigid cardboard

2. Loosely curved around the inner perimeter of a large box with peanuts or bubble wrap in the center for support.

I would not roll them too tightly, as the painted graphics can crack if bent too severely. Hope this helps and best of luck!

I may be repeating myself, but Al Lopez wants his train back ...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/27481373674...ebjFl&LH_BIN=1

A few recent purchases arrived today. I was really pleased with the condition of these

Pennant Catalog References are:

• NYG0038-TREN
• WSRS019-TREN
• DTTG039-TBC
• DTTG040-TBC

Do this guy's pennants look good to you guys?

https://www.ebay.com/sch/whe7112nlf/...p2047675.l2562

They look fine to me. I've bought from him before. Not sure what, but ebay says "A seller you bought from" when I look at his items. What are you seeing that makes you ask?

Many thanks Mark for the advice!!!

Nothing, really. I’m considering that crappy 1936 Giants pennant but it is pretty lacking in the EYE APPEAL :p I don’t know that I’ve seen that particular graphic before.

Has that one been on the Bay for a while? I feel like I've seen it on there for a few weeks. It's not that crappy, especially if you can score it for under $100.

I'd much rather pay $100 for the Giants than $524.64 plus $25 shipping for this one...

https://ebay.us/qS2s1M

Everything I see there looks legit. Even with it's flaws, the Giants would be a very good deal at that price. I am guessing it exceeds $100 when all is said and done.

Here are a few great deals to compliment that one...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/16333780120...YAAOSwTztb05qh

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37253694334...AAAOSwg-tcFYVS

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40268205594...kAAOSw0wxgIGex

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13358921027...MAAOSwGJxfwEVO

https://www.ebay.com/itm/22202575034...YAAOSwx-9WwyZG

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13373319099...oAAOSwtG1gczk3

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37233044731...8AAOSwvDpbHG4S

As a frame of reference, I bought that last one (Orioles) NRMT for under $50 not too long ago. There are many other examples, but don't want to risk offending any pennant sellers who might dwell here. ;)

Darby-S is one of several "HOF-great" curators of the eBay pennant museum. I think he's broken his own records for "longest a pennant has been listed on ebay" several times...and his 1958 Championship Game Colts pennant might be the record holder. I believe that one sets a new record with each passing second.

Edit: And I don't mind saying it because he blocked me for pointing that out (in reference to the Colts pennant) about 5 years ago.

Here's one you don't see every day. You have to love a pennant that's offensive to multiple demographics simultaneously (allegedly). ;)

Wow... forget about Voter ID requirement. That pennant may be the real reason Manfred moved the All Star Game out of Atlanta. :eek:

Thanks for the opinions and laughs, Mark and Rob.

Be careful what you ask for....

If Gary's email has a data storage limit, it has just been exceeded. Pics sent, and it felt like more than double the 60 that I guessed at earlier.

Gary, please just confirm they came through ok... Thanks

Yep, I've received them. Many thanks for sending them. Don't worry about breaking my email account, I have plenty of space :-)

I'll have another version of the catalog out this weekend including your updates.

I’m waiting until it’s “done” before I download it again. :p

What inning is it anyway? Can the Dodgers rally? :D

We've just finished the bottom of the 5th Inning and the Dodgers have pulled ahead. The new league table is as follows:

182 Dodgers
157 Giants
69 Cubs
69 Tigers
50 Yankees
37 Reds
37 Indians
34 World Series
29 All-Star Game
26 Phillies

The new catalog is available here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zDM...ew?usp=sharing

We're now at 999 entries. 47% have manufacturer identified.

I really need insight into the relative rarity of the pennants though. If you have insight about it, please let me know.

This is the rarity scale that I'm using at the moment (though I'm open to suggestions):

• 10-Extremely Rare (Only 1 or 2 known to exist)
• 9-Extremely Rare (1 available every 5 years or more)
• 8-Very Rare (1 available every 3 years)
• 7-Rare (1 available each year)
• 6-Rare (2-5 available per year)
• 5-Somewhat Rare (10 available per year)
• 4-Somewhat Rare (1 available each month)
• 3-Common (2 or more available each month)
• 2-Common (5 or more available each month)
• 1-Very Common (Readily available)

Thanks to a bunch of contributions in the last 24 hours, I have another version available here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MI0...ew?usp=sharing

The total number of pennants in the catalog is 994 (a few dupes were removed).

63% have the manufacturer identified.
35% of the pennants have scarcity identified.

Please let me know if I've missed anything or made any errors.

Looking pretty good. But noticed something in need of correction....

Cubs Oversized Teens Pennant # CHC8073TBC definitely needs to be "10" in scarcity (not "8").

Thanks

I hope this link works ... I have twelve 1969 Mets pennants. There may be more. All of these are made of cloth. Top six are Trench, five are ASCO and the last (with the weird orange crown covering "Eastern Division") is that unknown NY company.

I think I may have seen a couple of knock-off types on stiff felt. If there are others on cloth, let me know ...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/8PdfuzDH8f98ZTgw8

EDIT: I guess logically there must be at least one more, the last one without the crown ....

All very cool!

Cool pennants. I've added them to the catalog.

This one arrived today. This is the less common left-handed batter pennant for the Giants, and I've never seen it unpainted. The hat and socks are usually painted bright pink, and sometimes the face and arms are painted too (skin color). This one is cloth and otherwise pristine (no fading to the cloth), which makes me think it might just be uncolored (other than his shoes).

Gary - I think you are still missing some SF Giants pennants...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VTWwsCGCUcnhRKy28

Would it be an understatement to say Rob is a "completionist"? :rolleyes:

Beautiful pennant Marc ... batter graphic is really cool and not the slightest hint of fading.

If you’re talking about me, I’m really not. I don’t go after all the body and/or spine colors. :cool:

Does anyone have a picture of a real Satchel Paige Monarchs Pennant. I need a better picture than what is in Mike's book

Thanks Rob. I've reviewed these and added the missing ones.

I'll have another update in a few days that'll include these.

Mastro had a nice one, but unfortunately their archives are no longer accessible. I'll poke around...

Though I’m still sticking pretty much to baseball I do want to “complete a set” of Trench AFLs with the league trademark in nice condition. Still looking for the elusive Titans. But I’m jazzed to have picked this up, it has retained its colors and is nearly mint. Though if PSA ever started slabbing pennants it would get docked for the crooked spine .... interestingly their ASGs normally would get 25-40K fans but this game had the second lowest attendance at just under 19.

Is it ... this?

Yes that is the one but without the signatures. I thought it to be a repo
AnD now it looks like it was

I’m on the fence as far as this being a repro. If not for the spine and lack of tassels I’d say yes ....

I found a good photo of the Satchel Paige Pennant online here: https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...ent=2019-11-08

I've allocated it catalog reference KCMN001-TBC

FWIW, that one and the one Greg showed are slightly different.

Yep now I see it, that first one is a repro ..

Thanks to Fballguy for making this 49ers pennant (in Rams colors) available to me. It's in really great shape.

That’s crazy. Do you have one in a more appropriate color scheme?

BTW, I got that crappy 1936 NY Giants pennant but it’s been traveling around Rochester NY for the past four days. Arrive, depart, arrive, depart, etc.

Yes...He's got one in the most appropriate color for the stinking Niners...BROWN. :D

In all seriousness...This one really is beautiful and while it was hard to say good bye, it does feel good to know you're putting it where it belongs. Enjoy!

I say it is purple, the color of kings....

Does anyone know if these are part of a series (other teams with similar designs), or a one-off for the 49ers. Interesting that the two red ones are a bit shorter.

Love the off-color ones the best. Those purple and blue versions are off the charts cool. :cool:

Mine is the typical red with grey/silver graphics. Nice pickup!

Haha...Looks brown to me. ;)

These Rams look like they could be part of that series. Same maker any way. Same fat spine, skinny tassels and came in unusual colors.

My dad went to an Ivy League school…Penn….he told me they used to chant “what’s the color of horseshit? Brown, Brown, Brown!”

LOL...Brutal.

Been pretty quiet for me lately on the Dodger pennant acquisition front but managed to pick this one up. Looks pretty ordinary, but I think it is somewhat unique. Interesting construction in that the lettering and spine are both flocked with the tassels sewn directly onto the fabric. Also each tassel is just one piece looped. I don't have any other flocked pennants, and I like how the flocking has kept the lettering from cracking. I spoke to Kyle about it, and he has some thoughts on who the manufacturer may have been, but I'll let him share that info if he chooses. Anyone else have or seen this one?

Rick

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Those flocking D**gers. :mad: :p

He kinda sat that one on a tee for you. 🤣

Yeah, but I set him up with a 120 yard par 3 hole, and he hit the Driver!

My guess is this Dodgers pennant was made by Pacific Athletic Co., based in Gardena, CA. They made a lot of Pac 8 pennants around the mid-century mark; and, most notably, they were one of the few pennant makers still using flocked graphics by that time.

Pacific was eventually acquired by Collegiate Mfg. Co. (of Ames). Collegiate, you may recall, also had a brief foray into the baseball pennant market when they issued their 3-D pennant series for the Brooklyn Dodgers, NY Giants, Yankees, and Red Sox. These pennants too were flocked.

I suspect Rick's pennant was a one-off and not part of a bigger series. But if a similar looking Giant pennant with flocked graphics exists, I'll betcha Rob owns it.

I have nothing like that.

Just picked up this ZERO EYE APPEAL pennant. It was cheap ($60) and I own nothing with that particular graphic. I'll stash it away and never look at it again :p . Do you guys have pennants with that same graphic?

Different graphic but a companion.

Both of these are very cool ... Rob you gotta display that baby. 85 years old!!!

The interesting thing about my Collegiate Giants and Yankees is that the flocked graphics seem to have paint underneath. It cracks.

Both of those are very nice, IMHO...

Look at all the colors in the Yankees version. The silk screener must have developed carpel tunnel syndrome with all of those repeated screenings. A very ambitious creation!

I think you're too harsh on that one Rob. It appealed to me...but then I have to keep reminding myself I don't collect baseball pennants. ;)

For $60 that's a win all day long IMO.

It’s ugly, believe me. I can’t quite make out the graphics on Mike’s pennant. Is the batter jumping?

Do either of these pennants have a Charles Shear label on the reverse?

Either way, I believe these are among some of the earliest baseball pennants by Trench.

Not mine.

I don’t know about the Yankee pennant as I don’t own it. I do own this one however and it does have a Shear label. I have always believed it is from 1938 even though most put it at 1945.

FWIW Mike, I think yours is from 1945. That artwork represents the later evolution of the artwork seen on on Rob's pennant, from the previous decade. Which is similar in appearance; but different.

All three were by Trench, best I can tell.

Chicago cubs
 

Here’s an oldie I got a little bit ago.

I'm by no means a pennant expert and can't explain why yours has cracks and mine doesn't. Here is a close-up of the lettering on my pennant.
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Flock the D**gers!! :p

57 Milwaukee Braves World Series Pennant
 

I have seen this pennant in several threads and online resources. It is not listed in Mike Enger's book (2013 version). The field of the pennant is gray.

I have the same pennant but the field is red. I cannot find a description of that at all. Any info would be appreciated.

Here is a picture of mine.

Stand by, Chief....there are several guys who can tell you all about your pennant.

Is that one really missing from Egner's Guide? Hard to believe, as it's not that rare.

Anyway, the gray body of that pennant was once blue. You can count on it... that pennant was never originally made in gray (guaranteed). This type of blue fabric (very prevalent among 1950s-60s Dodgers Pennants) was very prone to fading, and it's actually pretty rare to find an example that's retained all of its original blue color.

Nice pennant.

Mike,
I have posted this before, but this group and artwork version was reportedly all purchased together at the 1938 World Series. I too believe it is from 1945.

As I had to tell my wife, "No, I'm not going to start collecting OU pennants." :p

OU (aka Harvard on the Hocking [river]) is my alma mater. I noticed pennantdynasty (good guy; forget his name) had this pennant listed as "1960's" and was asking $85. I thought to myself, "Self, I wonder what other OU stuff is out there?" I got this from another seller for $28. It's stiffer felt but doesn't seem like the ultra-modern crap. The OU green is spot on.

OU doesn't have much of a football history. These days, you can catch them on ESPN on Tuesdays or Wednesdays because the MAC sold their soul to the devil in order to get on TV. They are coached by Frank Solich (ex-Nebraska coach who they fired and have been sh*t ever since). OU sent Gary Trent to the NBA. His kid is now in the NBA. OU baseball produced Bob Brenly (lived down the hall from me in my freshman dorm) and Michael Jack Schmidt.

What do you guys think about age? Maker?