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thetahat 05-15-2022 12:57 PM

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Though they don't surface often, I've seen plenty of beat-up examples over the years. I usually pass on them because I'm a condition freak. But I have seen (and owned) examples that are moth-eaten, stained, soiled, torn, missing felt, and have holes, slits, etc. I've also seen a few where the embroidered leather has peeled off and either remains loose or has been glued back on to the felt.

You can easily tell the difference between a vintage example and a reproduction when you have them in-hand. And great Santa Clara Pennants, BTW!

These have natural aging and a few tiny moth holes. I think I’ve seen the Sox pennant (not this but another) as part of a homemade blanket with other pennants from the era. I think it was yours, Mark?

One interesting thing is that the sizes are all different … anywhere from 38” to 43” long.

I’m guessing that these were made before silk screening became widely used (which occurred in early 1910s). Only because that’s a lot of effort to make for a detailed graphic. Literally burning it by hand.

UKCardGuy 05-15-2022 01:54 PM

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Oh man … I wish it was me … and what a bargain!

I was in two minds about it. The fact that the material looked a bit badly cut made me question whether it was a fantasy piece.

Fballguy 05-15-2022 03:20 PM

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I was in two minds about it. The fact that the material looked a bit badly cut made me question whether it was a fantasy piece.

I had a $500 bid on this pennant and Clean Sweep emailed me to see if I meant $50. They wanted to be sure I knew it was "homemade". I thought maybe they and/or the consignor weren't familiar with this style and assumed it was homemade...but I had noticed the weird cut as well, so I let them cancel my bid anyway.

bocca001 05-15-2022 08:37 PM

Greg's look more like what I was thinking. That recent Pitts and the Detroit are the ones that look maybe too new to me, but maybe they were just put away for many years. The Detroit one also has no tassels, but maybe that is not a big deal, as it seems that there is a lot of variability within this line of pennants.

Thanks for showing these. Is there an NY Giants?

perezfan 05-15-2022 09:14 PM

I've never seen a Giants version, but am pretty sure that one must've been made.

I passed on the Tigers Pennant because the cut looked fishy to me... I could not get past the fact that it looked altered on both the top and bottom borders. Perhaps it was just crudely cut that way. I was, however the high underbidder but decided not to go any higher, largely because I already have a very similar one.

I don't think Verkman did the consignor any favors by saying the pennant was home-made and from the 1930s. It was sitting under $100 for over a month, and up until the final auction day. When extended bidding finally arrived, it was the dreaded scenario of me vs. one single person on the planet. Since I was lacking patience that night, I just let the other guy have it. Probably should've gone a few increments higher and then flipped it to REA or LOTG (who would've assigned it a proper age and description).

thetahat 05-16-2022 05:12 AM

Hmmm … because of the considerable variability in size, shape of letters, etc … it’s possible that it’s a natural cut. But it’s the bottom edge where the reinforced border meets the wide part, it looks like it was cut through the line of stitching. The back of the pennant would tell the story. These were all seemingly made with tassels - often two color - this one probably had them cut off.

For the price? I still thing a good deal and a great display for whoever grabbed it.

ooo-ribay 05-16-2022 06:04 AM

Yikes….I’m glad I didn’t have to go back and forth on that pennant….since it’s not Giants and since I never even saw the auction. You guys don’t miss much. :p

UKCardGuy 05-16-2022 07:43 AM

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I asked for photos of the back during the auction listing. There looks to be a lighter color on the back of the spine where a label might have been. But if it had a label, it shouldn't have the uneven cuts on the top and bottom borders.

In then end there were too many unanswered questions for me.

perezfan 05-16-2022 12:54 PM

Thanks for posting that pic of the reverse. Still looks like a dull scissors job to me.

thetahat 05-16-2022 06:16 PM

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I have this in my pics … the third team I’ve seen now with two different versions (inverted colors)


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