What's the ASCO twist??

Your room looks great!!

A little help...
 

I figured if anyone knows what these are,it's someone here!

Can anybody give me any information or thoughts on these?

My FIL found them cleaning his house today...apparently his from childhood (1950's)...but he can't remember if they were from a board game or where he got them...

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This is the ASCO trademark. I’ve seen it mostly with 1969, some rare 1970, and the Twins have one with c1968. Then by early 70s they dropped the year and the pennants got stiff. Trench ‘69s don’t have the thick letter MLB.

What are the dimensions? I’m guessing they’re pretty tiny...

You're right, they are tiny! 1 inch tall and 3.5 inches long.

Recent acquisitions .... Pirates is late 30s. Mets are ‘63 and ‘69, the latter of which is near perfect condition.

Thanks Kyle. Received the two pennants from you this week. They look great.

The D**gers 2020 does not look great. :mad: :p

Isn’t that Pirates the BF3 premium like the 1936 Yankees Champions?

No, not BF3 ..... I can sort of date it from this pennant lot that was sold some years ago:

Hey I’m watching the 1954 NFL Championship Game highlights on YouTube and just saw this!

Hey, pennant guys...

Help needed in a new thread. Nice pennant.

bf3 pennant
 

Here is the 1936 bf3 premium

Matty: Why is the series referred to as "BF3"??

I see. Similar pirate.

I believe it is the designation from the American Card catalog

Like the “PM-10” pins, BF3 may not stand for anything.

Sweet Yankees pennants in that other thread, Jason! Did any other team, beside the Yankees, get fringe??

If someone can answer Andrew ^^^^, I’m sure he’d appreciate it.

I would love to find that Giants bf3 premium pennant. Pretty cool. I see the small one all the time.

bf3
 

They are called bf3 premiums because that's what they are, as explained on the premium offer below.

According to The Sports Collectors Bible, the BF stood for baseball felt, and the PM stood for baseball miscellaneous. The number was the category.

BF = Baseball Felt...Check

PM = Baseball Misc...??? I guess BM was already taken.

I picture Rob wearing these as he plays with his pins and pennants...

If you already have them Rob, make sure you let Marc know so he can pick them up. :D

https://ebay.us/P0gChM

I meant pins misc.

Thanks for the laugh, Rob...

It brought me back to my favorite moment at the last National (back when we were allowed to attend those types of things...)

The pics tell the story:

1. My wife miraculously gets permission to hold the Honus Wagner T206
2. She gets a brief rush, knowing she's holding a few million dollars in her hand
3. She quickly grows disenchanted, as she realizes it's just a boring baseball card
4. She moves on and finds a booth that's selling those same Baseball Keds... and she immediately tries them on
5. Miraculously, they fit and she is euphoric. Her experience at The National is now complete!

Sorry, but I don't understand your post. I see no explanation on the premium offer, but I am an old man whose eyes are failing...

My eyes are equally bad...

Did they really refer to them as BF3 Premiums during the time of issue? I can't see it anywhere within the text of the Offer.

Questions?
 

Saw both of these online.

I assume the Boston Yankees is a repro?

Is the Culver Cubs related to the fast food chain?

Thanks!

The Boston Yankees looks good to me. ca. 1944-48.

Love the pics. That's funny...and I could see my wife doing the exact same thing. If she would even go to the National. I mean she'd go...but she'd be as patient as I am when we're at the mall and she wants to "run into" Sephora. :)

I don't see anything about the Boston Yankees that makes me think it isn't original.

Broncos pennant, has light water damage in bottom corner but got a good deal.

bf3 premiums
 

I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear enough. The two pictures below should clarify how you would obtain a premium.

The company who made them wouldn’t have referred to them as BF3 as that was a designation created by Jefferson Burdick in The American Card Catalouge in 1939 and used later in The Sports Collectors Bible.

Thanks!

Thank you!

Is anyone having any luck finding something to buy on Ebay with their 5% ebay bucks promotion? I've been trying...Nothing out there.

It kinda sucks that ebay has re-embraced the auction format. Granted you can get some deals because I think a lot of people forget when an auction is ending or are just too impatient to bother to wait in the first place....but I prefer the best offer option.

Complaining aside, the eBay Gods did shine upon me once last week with a Rams pennant I didn't already have. Can't remember the last time that happened. Listed for $39 or best offer no less. Right place right time. It was newly listed, claiming the top spot in my search results. Couldn't believe my eyes. I almost pulled a hamstring repeatedly power pushing the buy it now option with every fiber of my being before the fast finger crowd saw it. If anyone has been on a cruise and witnessed a slot tournament, that's what I envision occurring across America when a new rare pennant is listed on ebay....or one that is mis-priced.

Anyway I have a similar one, with slightly different Ram but only 3/4 size. This one is full size.

Glad that Rams pennant found its proper home. Can't even remember the last time I found a pennant of that caliber for under $50. Great score, Rob!

There's a nice pennant on ebay like the bottom one shown. Opening bid $23. I had to dig mine out to see if the ebay one would be an upgrade or possibly be the "backwards F" variation. Anyway, I noticed two variations (other than colors) in these two. The top one doesn't have the "WC" over the bottom stitches and its tassels were cut on an angle. Seems like not many were cut this way, no?

Top one is definitely rarer. Probably one of these for every 20 - 25 of the orange version. The Giants sure had a lot of subtle variations in their pennants!

Yeah, I just picked up the top one a few months ago from Erik (thanks Erik). The funny thing about the top one is that the tassels are closer to the middle, almost making it seem like a Mitchell and Ness pennant, but it is clearly vintage.

I am the high bidder right now on the ebay one, but my bid isn't all that high in case anyone wants to go and get it. But I'd buy it for $23 any day.

Does anyone know what the little "WC" initials stand for on the orange version?

WinCraft?
Artist's initials?
WC Fields?

If this has already been discussed... Nevermind!

Also in the bottom pennant, the bridge does not fully extend to the edges of the baseball ..

Your tassels aren’t cut on the diagonal. Maybe my “spine person” just had a wild hair that day. :p

Great eye, Savant!

I believe it was super sleuth Kyle who tracked it down to West Coast Novelty (or maybe WC Concessionaires?). I think they may still be in business. I can’t remember if he posted his findings here or in his blog.

"WC" = West Coast Novelty. It's one of a half dozen different concessionaire's marks seen on pennants manufactured by Trench.

West Coast Novelty ran concessions at several venues in the San Francisco Bay area. You'll find their mark on Trench-made pennants produced for the San Francisco Giants and nearby University of California made throughout the early 1960s.

They're still in business, too! Today, they're involved in the related field of sports licensing. See: https://www.thewcngroup.com/

Thanks Kyle... great info as usual!

Hey guys,

Any help or thoughts about the things I posted in post #4803?
Hoping to know a little about them before I just toss them.
Thank you!

I can’t see the pictures for that post - anybody else have the same issue?

I don’t have that issue but I can’t Help Andrew out with any info. I’m hoping someone else will be able to help. The pennants are 1” x 3.5.”

I don't know what they are, but I think they look cool, even if they are small.

Probably aren’t too many of these pennants still around.

Especially with the cancel culture rendering that word obsolete. That pennant would be banned today. Speaking of banning, they just cancelled two of my favorite all-time cartoons... Speedy Gonzales and Pepe le pew. :mad::confused::(

I was going to say the same thing Mark. Amazing that it could be offensive to call women females LOL.

Ridiculous about the cartoons...I wonder if Fat Albert will make it through unscathed? Or did that already get cancelled by "Me Too" since its creator is a rapist?

IDK... they love to contradict themselves. What will they do with Foghorn Leghorn? The Chicken character (one of my all-time favorites) who stereotypes old-time blowhard politicians from the South. But the people being parodied are basically the enemy of the woke crowd, so I'm assuming Foghorn Leghorn will be ok. :rolleyes:

Here's just one other example of hundreds...

Megyn Kelly is fired for dressing up as Diana Ross (when she was a teenager). Done out of pure admiration and being a die-hard fan of The Supremes. A one-time occurrence from her childhood. Fired!

Yet Jimmy Kimmel is thriving... currently the face of Disney/ABC. This, despite his blackface impersonations of Karl Malone.... performed repeatedly and accompanied by a stereotypical black accent and ignorant subject matter. Far more disparaging, yet somehow deemed okay by "the powers that be".

I could cite hundreds of other examples, but we should really get back to pennants. Sorry for the diversion.

Getting back on the pennant track...

The Cubs version:

Giants version

Welcome to the new America. Hypocrisy and double standards under the guise of equality. Oh and here's a pennant...

Doug's Brooklyn Dodgers looks kind of my Mays photo pennant after I dyed it...color coming through the cracks in the paint. Hard to tell from my picture and mine isn't as "bad."

There is also a Yankees version (which I do not have....)

AMCO Athletic Apparel Corp., Brooklyn, NY
 

Interesting pennants Doug, Marc, and Mike. I've had this convo off-line with some of you; but, for everyone's sake: I'll share what I know about the maker of these pennants....

First off, take note of the artwork featuring this right-handed batter. You've just seen three examples of it. It was used on many pennants from the 1940s. Many were made for the three New York teams; but, I've seen him on some Red Sox and Cubs pennants, even an L.A. Angels PCL pennant, so there's likely many more out there.

The Lion's share of these pennants to feature this artwork, however, were Brooklyn Dodger pennants, such as Doug's. So I began looking at these in closer detail, hoping to identify this mystery maker. And then I saw this classic pennant (attached below), and discovered the tiniest of subscripts written beneath the batter.

It reads, "OFF. LIC. AMCO, N.Y."

I'm still researching this company, but I have uncovered publications listing them to be a (small?) manufacturer of pennants as of 1946, when they were listed as AMCO Athletic Apparel Corp. of Brooklyn, NY. In addition to pennants, the company also manufactured athletic uniforms--many of which come up for sale on eBay regularly because they routinely feature clear, distinctive AMCO labeling.

Anyway, I hope to post a story on AMCO in the near future on one or both of my BLOGs; but, since this company has come into relevance, I thought I might give you all a preview of coming attractions.

In meantime, let's keep an eye out for more pennants with the AMCO batter. In addition to this distinctive batter/artwork, their pennants measure about 23" in length; have two pairs of tassels; and are monochrome.

Bocca’s has a way skinny spine,,,,

Yeah, and the tassels are different thicknesses too.

I got this one from Erik a few years ago, and, if I recall correctly, he purchased it from someone who was selling it with a program (from 1943 or 1944) that was said to have been purchased at the same game. I know that was a time in our country when there were concerted efforts to make sure that nothing went to waste (including odd sized pieces of fabric).

1942? Reds World Champions Oversized Pennant
 

Here's one for you guys to kick around...

Damn! That’s gorgeous! Do you think it’s vintage? I only ask because the condition is spectacular.

Definitely vintage Rob. Among other things it has the tell tale swiss cheese around the border area and in the red part as well;)

I would say so...Lowe & Campbell ceased to exist in 1961 when they were completely absorbed into Wilson Sporting Goods (though acquired by Wilson in 1931).

Just wanted to scoop Domer once. ;)

Kyle probably has this on his bookshelf. :)

Beautiful Chris!

Is that a new acquisition, or one you already had?

Either way, it's fantastic.

VERY VERY cool! Great pickup Chris. So I wondered, what, were the Reds a contender in ‘42? Turns out they finished 4th at exactly .500!

Here’s one

Here’s a mini with the batter ... I have almost a full set, it includes the Boston Bees so it dates to the late 30s.

Thanks, fellas. It's one I've had in the ol' pennant chest for a while and I was moving some stuff around today and thought I'd post it.

Chris that's a great pennant.

I'm still on the lookout for product catalogs like Rob's. Fantastic stuff.

Haha, you all think you're so smart ... but I'm much more familiar with the '39 edition ;)

Rob, nice work. I hereby transfer my "super sleuth" crown your way. Use it wisely, now.

How do you store your pennants?
 

I know the obvious answer is on the wall. But when there's more pennants than wall space, other options are required.

I have a number of pennants in toploaders laying flat under a chair. It's not the most elegant solution. I'm curious how you're storing your pennants.

It’s about as “elegant” as my method (which is basically the same). :D

Just had a pennant epiphany (albeit a minor one...)

These two blue pennants are from the same mystery maker. Anybody (Kyle) want to speculate as to who made them?