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Yoda 02-01-2016 07:02 PM

After all this horror, intrigue, second-guessing, finger pointing and what else, it just occurs to me that the themes underlying the whole sordid Mastro business are just those old human traits of greed, jealousy and hubris which turned what seemed, when I first got involved outside of my boyhood, from a pleasant, harmless hobby into something that has taken on a life of its' own. My one comforting thought is that, where I am right now, they aren't making any more pre-war cards (real ones, anyhow) and I still love looking at them. John

Tennis13 02-01-2016 07:03 PM

Introduction and Questions
 
Hello All. I am a New Jersey-based semi-serious collector. I am the owner of a few, higher-end graded 1933 & 1934 Goudeys. I am obviously reading this board with keen interest. I collect with my dad, and we enjoy it -- it's nothing more, nothing less.

I was wondering, a few people had posted the links to some of these 2000+ auctions, and the actual products that were auctioned. Do these exist in a database somewhere? Has anyone done the work over the years to identify the exact memorabilia for each of these auctions (maybe DoJ or FBI has published this)? How could I go about identifying each of these auctioned items in a timely fashion?

I have read this document many times the past 48 hours. I have read most, but not all of the replies to this thread. A few things jump out. Yes, there are typos in this document. I believe that's because the filing is from the defense, not the prosecution. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I'm also not as entrenched in this industry as many of you are. I have been Googling as many of the shill bidders to try to unravel and connect the dots across various industries. The vertical integration on the business front is quite astounding, given the audacity that these people have, and the connections they have to other industries! I'm really intrigued to investigate and get to the bottom of this.

Thanks for your help.

Peter_Spaeth 02-01-2016 07:09 PM

As has been mentioned several times, the main document people are focused on was created by the government.

ElCabron 02-01-2016 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1498848)
As has been mentioned several times, the main document people are focused on was created by the government.

You continue to post in a thread titled "the list (of criminals) is revealed," where the list it's referring to is one you are specifically named as one of the criminals.

-Ryan

sago 02-01-2016 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennis13 (Post 1498847)

I was wondering, a few people had posted the links to some of these 2000+ auctions, and the actual products that were auctioned. Do these exist in a database somewhere? Has anyone done the work over the years to identify the exact memorabilia for each of these auctions (maybe DoJ or FBI has published this)? How could I go about identifying each of these auctioned items in a timely fashion?

Hi,
This should get you started. The archived snapshots may contain the auctions listed, and you can plug in the descriptions.

D@v1D
https://web.archive.org/web/20070101...roauctions.com

batsballsbases 02-01-2016 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElCabron (Post 1498864)
You continue to post in a thread titled "the list (of criminals) is revealed," where the list it's referring to is one you are specifically named as one of the criminals.

-Ryan

+100
I to feel that you should take a little time off Peter. At least your friend Ron has made one comment and gone away. But you continue to act like you were just "used" You are on the list for better or worse and many people think much less of you now. Remember a Lawyer with a big mouth is no worse than one with a small brain. Lick your wounds and stay quiet for awhile...:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Al S@meo@e

Peter_Spaeth 02-01-2016 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElCabron (Post 1498864)
You continue to post in a thread titled "the list (of criminals) is revealed," where the list it's referring to is one you are specifically named as one of the criminals.

-Ryan

b

Tennis13 02-01-2016 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sago (Post 1498868)
Hi,
This should get you started. The archived snapshots may contain the auctions listed, and you can plug in the descriptions.

D@v1D
https://web.archive.org/web/20070101...roauctions.com

Thank you for this. I have seen it alluded to -- but not backed up with specific documentation anywhere -- is there any firm documentation that quantifies how much, if any, financial backing Mastro gave during the creation of PSA, and whether he ever owned any equity in that company, and for how long?

ElCabron 02-01-2016 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1498876)
Sanctimonious people like you are not going to intimidate me. If you have never made a mistake in your life, then you are a better man than I am, congratulations. To repeat, a friend used my ID to place a very low bid on one lot in one auction and paid thousands to get it back when it did not sell. Nobody was hurt, nobody was run up. Knowing what I know now, I would not have allowed it, and I am sure in the context of today Ron would not have asked. But what's done is done. I've fully disclosed what happened, I have nothing to hide, and I don't really care what you or the other perfect people here say. If you don't like it, put me on ignore, or ask Leon to ban me see where that gets you.

Oh, stop. Now you're just being shilly.

Peter_Spaeth 02-01-2016 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by batsballsbases (Post 1498872)
+100
I to feel that you should take a little time off Peter. At least your friend Ron has made one comment and gone away. But you continue to act like you were just "used" You are on the list for better or worse and many people think much less of you now. Remember a Lawyer with a big mouth is no worse than one with a small brain. Lick your wounds and stay quiet for awhile...:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Al S@meo@e

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