I must be terminnaly ill. I have had it for 40 years.

The world should be blessed
 

to know no worse illness :cool:

Auction mania
 

Anyone win any cool Clemente stuff in any of the recently closed auctions?

I got the 63 IDL, 65 Macgregor and 72 OPC I/A in Small Traditions. Underbidder on the 52 Winter League composite photo in REA

I won this one in REA. I remember buying packs of these when I was a kid and pulling the Pirates poster. Are those 3 you won in Small Traditions upgrades? I would have thought you'd have picked up those a long time ago.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/967/4...e0752666_z.jpg

Nice pick up Floyd
 

I threw a couple of bids at it, but focused on other things early. Had some difficulty letting that 52 composite photo go.

The ST pickups are upgrades for me. Working on a registry set - upgrading certain condition rarities as they come up. Expect to make it to 3rd place this year ( currently 5th) - having bazooka complete boxes, I am unwilling to spend " real money" on singles and panels- certain other things there don't much care for ( key chain insert, Atlantic panels) Possibly eventually make 2nd. Also unwilling to send pristine 1968 bazooka box to PSA so they can bend the flap to squeeze into their holder. Things got kind of boring ( except this past year) so decided to do the registry. As I explained to my kids - the registry set is just part of the collection.


On a separate note - Anyone happen to know who won clemente's ws rings from the hunt sale?

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In 1970, the Philadelphia Phillies produced programs with stars from the visiting team pictured on the cover. Some of the players I've seen on the covers include Banks, Rose, McCovey and Clemente.

This next item was purchased in a lot of Phillies programs. The seller made no mention of Clemente, but it was pictured in the seller's photos.


1970 Phillies Program w/ Clemente cover...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...sProgram12.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...rogramBk12.jpg

Congrats! (the IDL and 72 OPC I/A were mine, enjoy...)
Speaking of auctions, I start the bidding at $2000 for that pop 1/1 hand puppet above...

Thanks empty
 

I thought they both went pretty low - especially the OPC. Great additions to my collection. Thanks again. Any other high grade Clementes you want to move, PM me!

SOLD!!!...Auction has ended, you are the winner. Please keep in mind the buyer's premium has been raised to 50% to help offset shipping costs...lol


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This next item is the only copy I have seen. Anyone else have a copy?


1972 New York 49th Annual Baseball Dinner (Scorebook # 11)...Bill Gallo artwork


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...ooknum11_3.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...knum11_Bk3.jpg

I have one. I've seen 1 or 2 more. Visually awesome item! Tough.

I agree, but I don't mind supporting the independent AHs, since they are useful brokers when I'm the one on the buying side if the have something unique (and besides, I've mostly burned out with trying to bother with eBay selling myself).

And not that it can be controlled in that scenario, but I'm also pleased for them to go to a true collector rather than a random speculator...

Got it.
 

Well, I totally respect that and agree that there is a much greater likelihood for them to hit a collector as I doubt many non collectors randomly troll sports auctions the way they do eBay:D. In all cases - thanks for the great additions to my collection!

I have one as well

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A couple of photos (Sorry for the watermarks)


ca. 1960s Press photo...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...PressPhoto.jpg


1971 UPI Photo...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...71UPIphoto.jpg

Not mine, and it came to my attention only after auction closed the other day, but can anyone comment on this coin item from ebay? The newspaper clipping explains it was a fundraising exercise from '73 aiming for a kids sports complex in Puerto Rico. However, I have never seen it, being as my knowledge is mostly limited to PSA registry items, and this isn't in the list, but given it's from the same era as the Esso coin which is, perhaps this should be too, unless someone also has any insight on the criteria the TPGs use for deciding what they will and won't slab?:

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Empty,

I have mine listed as a 1970s commemorative coin. I don’t think it’s particularly rare. Not sure about the registry, maybe Howard might know.

Good question
 

I will never try to guess what PSA would or wouldn't do. I have had too many experiences with little rhyme or reason to them with PSA. To my knowledge it has not been graded by PSA to date. They have a general rule that the item must be listed in at least 1 nationally recognized price guide. Not sure that I have seen that coin listed - you?

I too have at least 1 of them. My memory wanes a bit, but I believe I may have seen them made of 2 different metals - 1 silver and 1 not (aluminum maybe?) - I'll keep an eye out next time I dig......

Yes, I forgot to add that mine seems to be made from a different type of metal, not sure what though.

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...0sCommCoin.jpg


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1971 Buc Banter...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...1BucBanter.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...anterClose.jpg

yhey look different to me - reprint?
 

The pictures of the coins in the newspaper look a bit different to me than the one that was sold. first the outer edge of the coins are completely different and 2 - on the back side of the coin there is something (can't make out what) beneath Clemente's legs on the auctioned coin that is not in the picture from the newspaper.

Anyone else know anything more about these?

Figured you might enjoy this
 

The original art for the 1963 Clemente Jello - included original photographs taken just for the issue. Happens to have Maris and Banks on the same sheet.

[QUOTE=docpatlv;1775792]Yes, I forgot to add that mine seems to be made from a different type of metal, not sure what though.

and from Howard: I too have at least 1 of them. My memory wanes a bit, but I believe I may have seen them made of 2 different metals - 1 silver and 1 not (aluminum maybe?) - I'll keep an eye out next time I dig......
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So there is also this additional ad that was found, confirming what the other newspaper ad indicated, but in a little more journalistic detail, and easier to read since the res is larger, intimating the future production of a "gold" coin:

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As to the points about the difference in appearance, I see what you mean. Perhaps the newspaper ad used a draft prototype of what was envisioned but not actually minted (but then the ad states that at that point the print run was already 600, so why couldn't/wouldn't they have had the real thing to photo?); so maybe the more probable explanation is that there was an early run, but if it was popular and profitable they minted more later and the later ones had these different design characteristics? In that case we should all be on the lookout for a version of the coin that actually exists representing that newspaper ad more closely...

This silver 1971 Latin American player of the year award is one of the items I picked up at the last Hunt auction. I bid on it despite the photographs which revealed heavy tarnish and oxidation to the silver. I landed it fairly cheaply. When it arrived it was barely legible the color was essential black and gray. Which is likely why I obtained it so cheaply. I dipped it in a sodium aluminum bath and the tarnish and much of the oxidation disappeared. I will likely invest in a professional cleaning down the road. Nonetheless I am thrilled to add it to my 1971 Pirate collection. The shape is highly reflective and picks up color in a pretty cool fashion. It also makes it difficult to take a picture of the engraved text. I have posted multiple pictures to display this.

[QUOTE=Empty77;1776003]Mine definitely appears to be more gold than silver, but I haven't really done any research into the different types.

Great items Howard and Mike!


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I saw an example of this next item go for big $$$ recently, so I went to look at mine...BUT...it turns out I didn't have one:mad:

So I checked on eBay and found one. I was very surprised how much this card sells for in high grades. Mine is raw and not high grade but I'm happy with it.

1971 (thinking I read somewhere that it was actually issued around 1979) Fleer World Series card...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...orldSeries.jpg

[QUOTE=docpatlv;1776073]
I think it was perhaps a 1975 issue?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Laughl...kAAOSwMmBVlHDW

Man, I just love this thread. I'm old, but was too young at the time to know anything about Roberto Clemente (except, sadly, as a little kid seeing his card in 1973 and knowing he had died months before), so it is really cool seeing all the admiration for him on these pages. Great stuff!!!

[QUOTE=docpatlv;1776073]The extension for the 1971 Fleer World Series set was for the years 1971-1977 and released in 1978. The extensions were printed in much smaller quantities with the World Series cards from 1903-1970 for Good Humor (sold by their Ice Cream Trucks). Robert Laughlin sold sets of the cards that were left over through an ad in SCD.

Here is a copy of his ad.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/830/4...fa327fe859.jpg

[QUOTE=rats60;1776117]
So 1978 then, thanks for the info rats.

And Darren, glad you’re enjoying the thread!

That is real nice. Thanks for showing it.

Great information Rats60. Thanks for clearing that up.

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1972 3,000th Hit Poster...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...Poster3000.jpg

[QUOTE=docpatlv;1776133]Cool info about the '71 Fleer. Not sure if retail sales quantities were lower, but the '71 Fleer Pirates/O's card is the most graded of the set by PSA, with 110 (2nd is the 1932 Yankees/Cubs with 72 graded)

It definitely has prices higher than I would have expected given its late production; PSA auction prices show $340+ for PSA 6, up to $1,200 for PSA 9 and $3,300 for PSA 10

EDITED TO ADD: Just saw that all the post-1970 World Series cards definitely are priced higher after a quick search on eBay -- makes sense given that there are a lot fewer overall cards in circulation, given they were printed later in shorter quantity. Also seems more people had the later ones graded (as a percent of the total ones sold), which makes sense since they're rarer overall.

[QUOTE=MCoxon;1776276]The 1971 set had World Series cards from 1903-1970. The 1978 set had World Series cards from 1903-1977. There are no double printed cards in the set that I know of, so 1971-1977 would be available in much smaller quantities. The 1978 cards were also only available through Good Humor, where the 1971 set was available through normal Fleer channels.

[QUOTE=rats60;1776305]Very cool, makes sense. thanks a ton.

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1962 & 1963 Salada Coins...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...1962Salada.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...SaladaCoin.jpg

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Yesterday, I posted the 1962 Salada coin. I had wanted this next item for a long time but just never seemed to pick one up. I found one last year on eBay.


1962 Salada coins Pirates team set in shield...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...sandShield.jpg

[QUOTE=MCoxon;1776393]Got inspired - picked this up

love this thread, though it might be making me buy more clementes...! (which is a good thing, I guess)

[QUOTE=MCoxon;1777127]
Nice Mike. That card seems to bring good prices in higher grade. Nice pickup!!!

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Rare ca. 1960s Vitalis promo photo. This is the only copy I have seen.


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...talisPhoto.jpg

Awesome that one is new to me.

Some really nice items! Always thought those Salada shields were cool and the Clemente Vitalas photo is NICE! Of course I’m glad someone finally posted an Orioles card as well 😳. Yes; the O’s should have won that Series (also ‘79...).

Your O's got Blass-sted. :D

Day 138


I mentioned in an earlier post that I don't collect a lot of newer Clemente items, but I do collect patches with Roberto if I like the way they look. Although the next items are relatively new, they were produced in very limited quantities and aren't offered too often.


2017 Boy Scouts National Jamboree patches...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...boreePatch.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...ePatchSolo.jpg

😳

It’s funny (not ha ha funny...) how I don’t hate the Pirates for winning the WS (even though the O’s should have won!), but STILL hate the Mets!!

Doc... those patches creep me out a tad bit 😎

Lol Mark,

I swear they don't look as creepy in person *goes to check*.......welllllll, yes they do, but only a little bit.:eek:

Amateur snap shot of Clemente's 3000th hit.

That's an awesome photo Mike!


Day 139


1984 Pittsburgh Pirates pocket schedule...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...etSchedule.jpg

Thanks, I have been torn about restoration. I found a Seattle based silversmith who does amazing work. He is currently working on a Jabbar trophy. I decided that I wanted the platter to look like it did when it was given to Clemente. The condition right now is acceptable but it could be much more attractive. Right now it is reflective but due to oxidation and tarnish, caused by what I assume was humidity the text doesn't stand out like it should. I guess In the end its my mistake to make. I don't think cleaning or restoring effects it value or meaning to my collection.

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1962 Topps regular issue, leader and team cards...



https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat.../1962Topps.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...962ToppsBk.jpg

The '62 regular issue brings back memories for me. It was the first real Clemente I ever acquired (not counting the '87 Kmart card, etc).

Late '80s, begged mom to drive 45 min across town to a card shop I learned existed, the only one around and I had never been to one before. It was called "collector's corner" (which at the time seemed unique and remarkably clever [it was actually on a street corner]).

Was probably going for Griffeys, not Clemente, which I think I figured wasn't possible anymore, but then here was this magical place that had all sorts of stuff, not just new stuff, but old stuff too, which prior I just hadn't imagined, only experiencing wax packs from the supermarket aisle.

Then there in a top loader under the glass beside Mays' and Mantles, etc., was a '62 T Clemente (even then the wood grain border made it easy to remember which year was which from price guide pics). The sticker price was $8, and as I recall it had fairly rounded corners and so in hindsight was fair to moderately overpriced, but to me seemed like such a great find (I was not in Pittsburgh at the time and was hours from a major metro area with a serious sports culture).

Long story short, it took several years of saving up b-day money and summer neighborhood jobs to complete a basic issue run, but I did. I don't really recall which one I picked up second or beyond, but I'll always remember that the '62 came first.

Empty,

Great story, thanks for sharing.

That is a great story!
 

So, I pulled a large format box out of storage and took pictures of a few oversized Clemente collectibles.

First up is a Laughlin giant stand up - My understanding is Bob Laughlin used to set up at shows and offer these for sale. I guess either he made a very limited number or they didn't go over so well as they are pretty tough to come by.

Next is a 1966 Harmony Milk Pirates place mat - not for everyone, but a super rare item nonetheless

Next is.... well I'm not sure exactly what it is - I believe it to be hand painted and I loved it when I saw it. I believe I saw 1 other similar one somewhere.

Last for this post is the same image from the 1973 Allied Printing memorial postcard - except this one is about 8 1/2 x11 and blank backed - cardboard stock. Never seen it before or again.

more...
 

The ticket stub I have posted in this thread earlier. The Program I just won from the Hunt auction. In the lower right corner of the program you can see that this program was personalized "To Vera" from Pirates team doctor Joseph Finegold. The program in its own right is near impossible to find. When I hold it, I imagine each of the players signing it for Vera and what a bittersweet day/game it must have been. So happy to have won it.

more
 

1971 Houston BBWA dinner program. Interestingly, the only autographed items I have are because of my desire for the item the autograph is on. I think I own less than half a dozen autographed items. This is one of them. This program once again is near impossible to find. Kind of enjoy the fact that it has multiple autographs including Clemente.

1973 Post Gazette - Pittsburgh Pirates Album set - including Clemente as originally issued.

Last up is something a bit outside the scope of most of my collection as it has no picture of Clemente on it, just the words "Adios Amigo Roberto". It is about 9x12 and the photo is mounted on heavy stock cardboard. It just evokes a bit of sadness when I look at it. I do not know its origin.

INCREDIBLE stuff Howard!!!

I have always liked the Allied Printing postcard. This and the 1972 Pro Star Promotions are two of my favorite oddball Clemente items; and on both, Howard, you have an amazing rarer variation !

little late for breakfast, but cereal anyone?
 

1961 Post cereal Panel
3 different 1962 Post cereal Panels
1963 Post cereal panel
1962 Post cereal advertisement
1970 Kellogs corn flakes box with Clemente on top right
1969 Nabisco Team Flakes complete box - super rare!

Shameless plug - I just listed some Clemente stuff on ebay - seller "favorite_things" - Will negotiate with any Net 54 member off ebay.

Enjoy!

Howard, that's a tough act to follow:D


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1960 Bazooka...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...960Bazooka.jpg

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1962 Bazooka...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...962Bazooka.jpg

Thanks so much for posting the Houston BBWA program; I’ve never seen this one before so I can now add it to the list of items that are out there.

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1963 Bazooka...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...963Bazooka.jpg

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1964 Bazooka...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...964Bazooka.jpg

I live those bazooka cards. You and Howard have posted some serious eye candy this week.

I especially appreciate that the Bazookas bothered to utilize different pics, unlike say the Exhibits or many of the team issue/pack items year after year that often seem to just recycle the same base photo.

1972 Dapper Dan
 

1972 Dapper Dan program and ticket signed by Clemente and Stargell

Love that program Mike! I was an underbidder on a Clemente signed one last year. Any idea why Willie signed his last name only? It seems I have seen him do that before.


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1966 Bazooka...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...966Bazooka.jpg

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1968 Bazooka...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...968Bazooka.jpg

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1968 KDKA card...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...e/1968KDKA.jpg

Edit: Double post

A few more from the collection.......
 

Not sure what the first item is - large size - maybe 14x17.

Next up Alcoa Aluminum bats ad. Not sure where it is from - anyone?

This Black and white item is on thick cardboard and about 11x14 - believe it is very similar in design to a much more common color one that was sold/given out in Corvette department stores.

September 29, 1955 - El Mundo - Spanish language newspaper with Clemente on the cover!!

Next up 3 magazines from PR

Original art by Medina from 1973

1973 Spanish Language Newspaper insert

Nice Howard!


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1971 Team Issued photo...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...2TeamIssue.jpg


1971 Team Issued photo sealed pack (from Howard)...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...PackSealed.jpg

Double posting again:confused:

Day 149


1971 The Sporting News...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...te/1971TSN.jpg

Very cool! Were both series a and b issued in one set like that or were they issued sperately? I have the blue and pink checklists and just recently picked up the blue card that is on top of the sealed pack. I'm just curious if the blue and pink checklists are included in that sealed pack.

Mike, I have no idea. I picked it up from Howard, he would probably know better than I.

Day 150


Rare 1973 Hostos magazine (this is the only copy I have ever seen)...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...Magazine_1.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...gazineBk_1.jpg

As a long-time Clemente collector I am really enjoying this thread. I worked on the PSA registry for many years but have since divested most toward building my HOF collection.

I do have two fairly unique (IMO) items to share: a 1970 team issue uncut sheet and a modern Topps reprints uncut sheet . . .

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Scott,

Love that 1970 team issue uncut sheet. The single Clemente is one that keeps eluding me.

I think I won something from you not too long ago, I'll post it later.

Mike

Never saw that Hostos before!!
 

Mike,

The 4x6ish color team issues are a bit confusing from 1966-1972. I still haven't figured them all out!! While some of them were issued in two series (A and B), the one posted, to the best of my knowledge was not. It is an off white/beige border rather than white like most of the others. PSA calls it a 1971 - I am not sure if the little research I've done on these corroborates that or not - for now going under the assumption PSA is correct.

Awesome Hostos magazine - never seen another.

Welcome Scott - sad to see your master set go.

A little more eye candy for all - will not let PSA touch these as they will have to fold (translate as damage) a flap to fit into their holders!! The 1962 box in my master set is the SUPER RARE 20 piece box that fits without folding into PSA's holder - Registration is horribly off, but only 1962, 20 piece box I have ever seen. Will post eventually. Enjoy.

Howard

Nice Bazooka boxes Howard!

How come I’ve read that the 1971 Bazooka no number is tougher than the numbered version, but I always see the unnumbered version? Was that erroneous information?