The signature is what made it irresistible. I have a stellar Sullivan cabinet already--there are a variety to choose from--but signed? Fugedaboutit.

:eek: Very nice. Wow.

John's right. The cabinet and the N692 are clearly the same guy. Glad we solved that mystery 150 years after the fact!

I'm not worthy
 

I can't believe I won this tonight. This moves into the top 10 cards I own and it was 2 hundos and the vig and shipping. I looked through the Leland's catalog over and over. About 2 hours before the close I saw this in "internet only" section. I can't believe it. So geeked...

Great card! Red Cross T219s are unbelievably tough to find so getting one of the keys is a heck of a pick-up for a collection.

The boxing stuff closed fast in Lelands last night; being in SoCal I was done with my bidding before I finished dinner. Several of my bids held and I ended up with over 2000 cards. Gonna be a hell of a sorting party!

Congratulations Adam. I was going to bid on a bunch of stuff, then I sat down to watch "The Magnificent Mrs. Maisel" with the wife, and before I knew it, I looked down at my phone, it was past 10pm and I went "Doh!"

:)

Thank you Amazon!

I picked up three of the four large lots at the opening. Had one other bidder on the 4th lot--must've seen the 1915 Susini Tris Speaker in there. I basically paid a buck a card overall, which is hard to go wrong on; I will give it my best shot, though, and see if I can't lose money anyway :D.

Definitely some decent buys looking back over at the closed lots.

It is going to be so much fun seeing what type cards I have and what I don't, seeing what slabs I can replace with raw cards, etc.

I did get one cabinet lot and from the start of the auction to the end two of the subjects were elected to the IBHOF (Erne and Ryan), which is nice.

$200 plus fees is one hell of a steal for that!

SF Hess
 

Just started collecting again. Picked one of these up at Heritage and one at REA this past weekend.

Thanks, that's what I thought.

Nice Hess cards, JJ.

I guess, Adam's eBay store should have some more cards soon after winning 2000 of them.

Rob

Yep. Next year will be busy :D

Can anyone help ID these guys?

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Those bottom two have great looking borders. The bottom gentleman's image looks very familiar, I'll go through my 19th century box this week and check if I have that image and an ID on it.

"The bottom gentleman's image looks very familiar"

I know, it's like a name you can't quite recall.

Panini Hearns
 

Here's Hearns...

This one takes me to 44/50 on the tough Miners Extra set, though this rare pink print variation pales to the gorgeous Red Cross Attell above

T219 ME and RC are both difficult, the latter rare. I admire your perseverance; I didn't have the patience to do the sets so I just kept a type card.

I sold off a number of T219 HLC and ME a number of years ago. I have this Attell on my pc from 2012 and think it's still in a box somewhere... I guess I need the HLC now and the T218 tolstoi....GL on the T219 ME's

Thank you guys! Having a blast with the T218-T220 master run, though the Red Crosses aren't happening. A Honest Long Cut Black, HLC Green, and Miners complete sets will be enough for me. I dabble in adding type cards sometimes for some variety (your book, Adam, has been a wonderful resource on that front), but the American Tobacco lithographic issues are my aesthetic favorites.

RCMcKenzie - Attell thankfully doesn't have a T218 Tolstoi back available, just the Hassan 30, Hassan 649, Mecca 30, Mecca 649 no series notation backs as a series 1 card. Those Tolstoi's are darn tough, I'm sitting on just 20/50 after 15 years collecting the master set.

Thanks for the info. I forgot HLC has 2 backs. I will have to look for those for Attell.

I didn't realize T218 Tolstoi is only available w/ 50 backs. That almost seems possible to complete. I need to see what I have. I know I have more than 10 Tolstoi backs. I need to make a checklist. Rob

Here's the checklist of the cards possible with a Tolstoi back. All 50 cards released with series 2, minus the Jack Johnson (Green background, horizontal), a rule breaking card that was added late in series 1 production and released for only part of the print run for both series 1 and 2. I've never seen a Tolstoi back of this card, and no one seems to report owning one, though there is still a slight chance it exists.

There are some tough specific front/back combos on other cards, but the 50 Tolstoi's and 5 or 6 spelling error variations in series 1 are the main hurdles on the master set. I'm down to under a hundred cards left, but at this pace I'll need another 25 years or so to finish the Tolstoi's.

Patsy Brannigan
Knock-Out Brown
Walter Bursch
Young Corbett
Leach Cross
C.M. Daniels (Crouching)
Young Donahoe
W.C. Fielding
John Flanagan (Horizontal)
Joe Gans
Geo. Gardiner
H.E. Gissing
Abe Goodman
Jack Goodman
Charley Griffin
J.L. Hartranft
Harry Haywood Jr.
Joe Jeanette
James Jeffries (Drapes)
Harry Jensen
Jack Johnson (Blue)
Joseph Jordan
Al Kaufman
W.J. Keating
W.J. Kramer
Sam Langford
Young Loughrey
Emilio Lunghi
Honey Mellody
Frankie Neil
Fighting Dick Nelson
Young Nitchie
Smythe Northridge
Phila. Jack O’Brien
Tommy O’Keefe
George J. Obermeyer
Wm. Papke
Frank Riley
J.A. Ruddy
Unk Russell
Harry Sedley Jr.
Melvin W. Sheppard (horizontal)
C.C. Steinert
Harry Stone
James P. Sullivan
Mike (Twin) Sullivan
Clarence B. Tippet
Jimmy Walsh
R.P. Williams
Harold A. Wilson


The Attell checklist for the pose has 9 cards, I think
Hassan 30
Hassan 649
Mecca 30
Mecca 649
Honest Long Cut Black
Honest Long Cut Green
Miners Extra
Red Cross
C52

Tolstoi checklist...
 

Thanks very much for the Tolstoi checklist. It sure helps to know what to look for. I'm at 14/50 Tolstoi with these 2 dupes. I have a lot of T218 in boxes to see if I have any more. They are not unsearched boxes, I just get unorganized and misplace cards.

Gans is a pretty nice dupe to have! Good luck finding a couple more in those other boxes. It's almost like getting new cards when you find that box of random stuff in the back of the shelf

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It took a while to get here but worth the wait; a pretty nice CDV for 135 or so years old.

I've started listing new boxing cards on my eBay store: first 15 lots are live. Anyone who wants something from the BIN listings LMK: 10% off if you buy directly from me through N54. If you want one of the auction items, LMK and we can see if we can work out a sale price.

https://www.ebay.com/str/agbcthestore

I have a cabinet with the same picture, but if yours is a CDV does that mean it's a smaller size 3.5 x 2 inches? Mine is a cabinet and I think the print is larger than that.

Exactly. A CDV is about the size of a 1953 Topps baseball card.

T227 Attell ME
 

Thanks to Cliff, this T227 Miner's Extra Abe Attell brings me to 20/24 for the set. Still need Baker, Cobb, Bruce-Brown, and Rodgers. Brown and Rodgers are the chase cards. Baker and Cobb are expensive...

Great colors!

Let's see some new stuff, dudes!

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Thanks, Adam, the Slavin cab goes well with his n174 pink-tint faded card...

I think Wood did the photos for both issues.

Here is another with that Slavin image. It is the only boxing N173 I have ever seen, but you guys know boxing a lot better than I do. Has anyone seen another one?

Nope, that's the only subject I know of, but I think there is a Dog's Head mount known. I have to dig into my images file Monday and see if I can find it.

n173
 

Nice card, Jay. I don't remember seeing an n173 boxer before. REA or another auction house had a non-sport n173 cabinet recently. It was some obscure foreign politician. I guess customers could ask for an n173 with any image they wanted, as long as Goodwin & Co had it.

Thanks Adam, Dogs Head cabinet or small card with Dogs Head ad on the back? I think I have seen the latter.

Rob-The politician in REA was an Australian issue. I believe the Slavin is also Australian. For years I have tried to find an Australian checklist similar to the lists that have been found for baseball players in the U.S. However, I have thus far been unsuccessful.

n174 Australian
 

Here are some larger scans of the n174 Slavin. It seems to have a very faint "OLD JUDGE" font on the caption portion of the card. I added a link from Bill C's site which shows everyone the Australian font. I know there are a few different fonts that JoeG was describing in a thread the other day. It's good to know that other Australian n174's could be found with the n173 format...The Slavin is in an SGC 20 holder. It is about as faded as a card can get to me...Rob

www.thetraderspeaks.com/n174-old-judge/

Rob-As you probably know, there are many boxers that appeared in Old Judge sets that are not shown on that site. I only have short number and “0” number boxers amongst the small cards, but quite a few, like Ike Weir, are not shown.

Jay, I was trying to show an un-faded Australian type font like he has on there. I may have some in my collection, but he already had some scanned on there...Here is the non-sport Australian card he has(Spurgeon)...

Some of the boxers with the "hot dog" logo almost look like they belong in n172...Here are a few boxer types that I have...

Burdick did not do a good job cataloging Goodwin & Co cards. For starters, there is no one Old Judge set, just like there is no one Topps set. There were many sets issued over a number of years, in the case of Old Judges over the period from 1886-90. Many of the earlier Old Judge sets were not solely baseball sets, but multiple topic sets which included boxers, other athletes, actors and actresses, politicians, etc. The script cards were a multiple subject set, as were the low number cards and the “0” number cards. In the Old Judge book we catalog the later two sets in the Appendix section. Unfortunately, there are still some holes in our cataloging of these sets, although far less now than when we did the book almost twelve years ago.
The cards with the floating sausage Old Judge logo are from the script series. They do belong with the script baseball players. They are not a separate set.

I was thinking these author cards were Australian, but I noticed the captions were very similar to this Mutrie. The Mutrie has an additional copyright line by Goodwin, 1888. I notice that the Mutrie I have has a little different caption format than the 336-1 in y'all's guide.

The set is easier to tackle when you break it down into different series and categories or teams and players, than trying to see it as one gigantic set of historical figures. I'm still learning, but I also forget about as fast as I learn. Rob

I think the author cards are either from here or British (yes, there are British ones too). As I remember, the British cards have fonts similar to ours. They are neat though.
To further complicate matters, some 1890 Players’ League cards have a different font than on 1889 cards. The letters appear slightly thinner.

I checked my image file and I misremembered--Slavin has a regular OJ mount, no Dog's Head.

T229
 

Thanks for all the information, Jay

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Here are a few T229 PET cigarettes w/ Al Kaufman...I guess I am working on this set now, too. Rob

Nice cards Rob!

A few German cards:

I haven't seen too many of these Haus Bergmann cards floating around:

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And a pair of Greilings, Schmeling and Siki:

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Just got this in the mail today.

Picked up a few tough series T225 Series 2 and finally got ahold of my silver Jackson to make it 23https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...718c003d99.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e535bac833.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e75c478429.jpg

Nice; I assume Corbett and Donovan are the missing two?

As for me, more stuff:

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Ticked all the boxes for me:

--Los Angeles area arena
--Two HOFers fighting for a title
--Nice graphics.

I'm slowly working on my second set of "collector grade" 1955 Parkhurst wrestling Ebay pick up $4 delivered to cheap to pass up!
Larry

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Larry,if you ever get an extra #104 that you may want to part with PLMK.I have some extras that you could maybe use one for your set. I am not looking for anything special as far as condition goes.Something VG will be just fine as long as there is no paper lose.

e77
 

Be well, gang.

Homicide Hank....
 

Just started dipping my toes into the boxing part of the hobby. I remember my dad showing me his exhibit boxing and wrestling cards when I was a kid. No idea where they went but they were from his youth. He is gone now but I remember how he liked them so wanted to get something that reminded me of him.

Not sure if this is as cool as I find it.

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Thanks for posting pictures of the cards in the album. I have the set but hadn't seen them in the album.

Really like them in that album.They display so well. Thanks for sharing.

Not rare or expensive (this copy was $29.16 net), but one of my favorite old boxing cards, as it features the Burns-Johnson fight in 1906. Burns remains one of my favorite old timers and, I think, an underrated boxer. He weighed in at 168 pounds for his fight against Johnson. Burns was only 5'7, but defended his title successfully 11 times in less than 3 years, one of the most active champions of all time. Johnson was about 6'1, weighed in at 192 for this fight (and was usually heavier during his title reign). Johnson won of course, taking the crown after the police stopped the fight in the 14th round, claiming a points victory by referee decision. Burns "was beaten, but he was game" as Johnson said. Burns was the first to defend his title around the world.


Need 6 cards to complete the black back E79 set now, and 12 of the tough red back cards.

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Great card, Ben. I guess I ran you up a bit on that.

Tolstoi number
 

Frank, mark me down for 17/50...Also, who snagged the 3 BIN's for under $10 each? Yikes...I check every week, but I guess I need to set email alerts...Rob

Ha, well I was still pretty pleased with the final price. And since you literally wrote the book on boxing cards I'll just take it as an affirmation of my taste?

Ok. Lampos are just popular and expensive. I was hoping to steal a deal.

Lampo
 

The Lampo Clay is one of my favorite cards of him......congrats!

You need to finish your Tolstoi run so I can actually win some again ;). Very nice pickup, and interesting to see the price disparity on the 3 Tolstoi's this seller had. The Stone multiple set collectors needed closed a lot higher than the Northridge most have. 17 of them is no easy feat!

I was about 5 seconds too late on the 3 BIN's, that seller could have got far more if he knew what he had. He priced them the same as his Mecca and Hassan cards

T218 Tolstoi
 

Thanks, G, like my paternal grandmother told me, "no good deed goes unpunished." When you explained to me that T218 Tolstoi had 50 cards, and provided a checklist, I went all-in, thinking I'm going to complete it. I promise not to hoard, and trade all my dupes..Rob 18/50

I fear I have simply been driving the price up on a couple of them for you, Rob! Were you the winner of the Young Donahue yesterday? I thought I stood a good chance with my bid but ended up being the third bidder. Looks like these cards great scarcity is no longer a secret. I am sitting at 20/50, 0 duplicates, including the Jack Johnson, but it has been some time since I've been able to add another one. 88% of the way through the whole T218 Master Set. It seems to me that most of us chasing the Tolstoi's all have most of the same cards (Like Jeffries, Northridge, Sedley, etc.), and nobody has got much further than half way on them. I have been tracking T218 since 2004, and I haven't seen more than maybe 10 Tolstoi backs at most of any one front.

- Greg

Greg, yes, I got that one yesterday, here's a link to an old thread from 2003 that I started, naively talking about T218 Tolstoi. It does seem that some of the track guys are easier to find, maybe just a coincidence. Hopefully, higher prices will bring out more cards to the market and we can all complete our sets. Rob

www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=63361

We sure have learned a lot the last few years! Reading this makes me wish I could go back and pick them up for those prices. Congratulations on another one, I look forward to seeing your complete set one day.

I think each series was probably printed on more than 1 sheet layout, and that thus it's possible there are 2 levels of scarcity in the Tolstoi's. Jeffries, Gans and Langford seem 'common' among the boxers.

For the record and anyone else keeping track, here's what I have:
Leach Cross, W.C. Fielding, John Flanagan, Joe Gans, George Gardiner, Gissing, Harry Haywood, James Jeffries, Harry Jensen, Jack Johnson, W.J. Kramer, Smyth Northridge, Tommy O'Keefe, George Obermeyer, William Papke, Frank Riley, J.A. Ruddy, Harry Sedley Jr., Melvin Sheppard, C.C. Steinert

It's the same image as on about a dozen other Italian cards of the era, but Lampo made the best design and made the cards bigger than others, so they "win".

Hello all,

I don’t really post much but I’ve been selling some cards and meeting so many great people that I figured I should at least pop on, say thanks, and post some cards.

I’m a low grade pre-WWI boxing set builder. I’m also a Jack Johnson and Joe Jeannette “active career” collector. I started collecting Johnson cards about nine or so years ago. They were relatively cheap then and I managed to pick up the common ones and many of the harder ones. Things stalled about a year ago as prices went up. I resorted to making desperate posts in the BST looking for a low grade e77, Susini, etc.

... Then one evening (PST), Scooter729 posts a horrible condition e77 Johnson on eBay. Scott had once sold me one of my favorite cards in my collection, a N162 Sullivan. So, I proceed to absolutely blow up his inbox. He’s was really kind about it all. The rest is history. Thanks Scott!

The e77 is pretty rare but not one of my favorites. Why does it look like Jack is in the process of balding??

The Johnson fits in well with a stack of terrible condition e77s that I just bought from Rhy. As a low-grade set builder, it amazing to find nine cards from the e77s in a week!

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Finally, I made a trade with RC. Thanks so much! Even in bad shape it’s a gorgeous card.

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So thanks everyone! Thanks for helping me get further in a Johnson collection than I ever thought that I would. Also, thanks for purchasing some cards so I can feed the habit! It’s very much appreciated!

Be well!
David

Nice Johnson's David! And thanks for some of the cards here.


Recent pickups the last couple weeks or so; sometimes the back is better than the front. Choynski is rough, but knocks me up to 47/50 on the Tolstoi's.

Nice cache of cards. I added a few premiums from the British periodical Boxing, ranging from 1909-1914. All three show Fred Welsh; the last one includes Willie Ritchie.

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New Johnson and intro to the forum
 

Not sure how desirable or scarce this is, but I took a risk at a best offer and happy with the outcome. Just ordered Adam's book so I can educate myself better. Lifelong prewar baseball collector(35 years) but my passion is in contact sports so why not collect them. I have wrestled, practiced many different types of grappling and mixed martial arts in the Marines into my late 30's. I only played baseball to my sophomore year in high school :) Going to sell my bb cards and have fun on this side for awhile.

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Well, welcome to Sherwood! Not only is it fun, it is waaaay cheaper than baseball card collecting.

Some from the last week or two, sadly these 3 were imprisoned but quickly liberated. The Choysnki silver doesn't belong in a SGC 3 holder anyways, as the card is significantly short and probably trimmed.


Starting to get into the British issues more as well (thank you davidl, for making me jump across the pond for my boxing fix now!). The Silvers keep stacking up.

Wait till you catch the bug for the rest of the world's cards. You'll find yourself waiting breathlessly for deliveries from places like Venezuela, Singapore and Ukraine, and chasing obscure cards of Argentinean club fighters that even the boxer's mom doesn't care about.

These guys are coming from Australia. I opted for terrible miscut and the kid. Overpaid at $60 apiece?

As Greg mentioned, I’m a big fan of those old British cards. The 1911 Boys’ Friends Jack Johnson cards are relatively rare. Not super scarce but much rarer than the Ogden’s Pugilists or the T218s. If I’m not mistaken, they were issued in panels of three boxers and hand cut. There’s only three cards to the set. Below is an example of what the three look like.

I’m not sure about those Australian cards as I don’t think I’ve ever seen them except from the seller you got yours from. Cool though.

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... and keeping with the spirit of this thread, here’s some nice additions to my Jeannette collection!

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