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savedfrommyspokes 03-29-2015 07:12 PM

Nice finds Cliff and Joe.

JollyElm 03-30-2015 03:24 PM

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This '62 Ruth is interesting for a couple of reasons. It is not only a green tint variation card, but it is also so miscut that it shows part of card #176 Eddie Yost (which is a pose variation) on it. A pretty cool find for any Dodgers error/variation collectors out there.

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savedfrommyspokes 04-02-2015 08:46 AM

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Speaking of MC, here is a 69 T #232 with some sort of factory note along the left edge. Not sure what "slit b" stands for. Somewhere between a third to a half of the copies of this card that are OC r/l have this note (or parts of this note) on the left side edge.

ALR-bishop 04-02-2015 01:03 PM

Notes on cards
 
It reminds me of the notation on some of the 1960 Topps Banks cards

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img134.jpg

savedfrommyspokes 04-09-2015 10:46 AM

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Had not noticed the excess red below the border on this 72 #574 card before...while appearing in varying degrees, very few if any copies on ebay have this excess red, while about half on COMC do.

ALR-bishop 04-09-2015 12:26 PM

Fritz IA
 
Checked the one in my set and it has a red line that is above rather than below the black border line

savedfrommyspokes 04-09-2015 12:48 PM

Nice Al, I did not notice a variation of a excess red above the black line when searching for copies of the red line below the border(could have missed some copies though), so looks like you may have found an even tougher print variation of this card to chase ....please post a pic!

4reals 04-12-2015 10:57 PM

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Notice that the right border on Joe Coleman's 78 Topps card is red as opposed to pink like the other three sides. I have yet to find a variation with all four sides pink. If one exists my opinion is that it is quite scarce.

grainsley 04-13-2015 10:10 AM

'62 Checklist 6
 
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I was aware of the font size variation, but this one (on the right) has me scuppered. I have periodically checked Ebay and COMC, unable to locate another. Perhaps someone more familiar with the print process could educate me as to what happened here? Thanks...

4reals 04-13-2015 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grainsley (Post 1401024)
I was aware of the font size variation, but this one (on the right) has me scuppered. I have periodically checked Ebay and COMC, unable to locate another. Perhaps someone more familiar with the print process could educate me as to what happened here? Thanks...

yellow print plate out of register (misaligned) during print process. Some collectors call it "ghosting". Not unusual to find these but fun to hunt for to pass the time until those white whales come along.:)

savedfrommyspokes 04-13-2015 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grainsley (Post 1401024)
I was aware of the font size variation, but this one (on the right) has me scuppered. I have periodically checked Ebay and COMC, unable to locate another. Perhaps someone more familiar with the print process could educate me as to what happened here? Thanks...

That "ghosting" version is certainly unique, nice find! Almost reminds me of the 7th series yellow boxed checklist.

ALR-bishop 04-13-2015 02:06 PM

Red Line on 72 574
 
Seems harder to find one without the red than with it, and the red line seems to wander some


http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1428869096

Cliff Bowman 04-13-2015 02:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 4reals (Post 1400931)
Notice that the right border on Joe Coleman's 78 Topps card is red as opposed to pink like the other three sides. I have yet to find a variation with all four sides pink. If one exists my opinion is that it is quite scarce.

Jim Tyrone was beside it on the 1978 E* sheet, it has the same flaw on the left edge.

4reals 04-13-2015 05:30 PM

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing!

savedfrommyspokes 04-13-2015 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1401105)
Seems harder to find one without the red than with it, and the red line seems to wander some


http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1428869096

Nice Al, that is the first copy of this card I have seen with the red above....

steve B 04-15-2015 08:49 AM

That's another registration difference. With the red printed where it should be the extra line is below the frame If the red is printed shifted up the line will be above the frame.

Steve B

swarmee 04-17-2015 07:35 PM

http://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1973/...&size=original
1973 Topps #1 - All Time Home Run Leaders (Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays)
Courtesy of COMC.com

Not mine, but I thought this card depicting Babe's booger would be of interest.. ;-)

ALR-bishop 04-18-2015 08:25 AM

Variants
 
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3a531688.jpg

Cliff Bowman 04-19-2015 03:17 PM

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Unlike most of my other crappy printing flaw "error" cards, I believe this one is a bona fide variation. Apparently, the early printing of the 1973 Topps Al Kaline card had a spring training photo of him with a band-aid on his forehead, someone at Topps spotted it and had it airbrushed out.

savedfrommyspokes 04-19-2015 05:05 PM

That certainly appears to be a true variation Cliff, nice job. I have not looked yet, but what pct of the copies of this card have the band-aid?

Cliff Bowman 04-19-2015 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes (Post 1402998)
That certainly appears to be a true variation Cliff, nice job. I have not looked yet, but what pct of the copies of this card have the band-aid?

They are pretty rare, I think there is only one beat up one on eBay at the moment, none on COMC.

ALR-bishop 04-20-2015 07:13 AM

Kaline
 
Good one Cliff

JollyElm 04-20-2015 04:36 PM

Not to rain on the parade or anything, but I've had the Kaline card (actually 2 of them) in my Vintage Errors and Variation FT thread for a long time now. Yesterday I resuscitated the thread in the BST section, for anyone looking to trade for that card.

Cliff Bowman 04-20-2015 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JollyElm (Post 1403309)
Not to rain on the parade or anything, but I've had the Kaline card (actually 2 of them) in my Vintage Errors and Variation FT thread for a long time now. Yesterday I resuscitated the thread in the BST section, for anyone looking to trade for that card.

I first found out about the card years ago on eBay, a seller had one up and when I went to look at it I figured it was just another lame "variation", but when I looked at his scans I was impressed. I have looked for them ever since but I have only been able to find five or so.

ALR-bishop 04-22-2015 10:24 AM

Kaline Variation
 
I can attest to Cliff's prior recognition of the Kaline variant. After he posted it I told him I was looking for one and he pointed out he had sent me one quite awhile back ( no charge by the way). I looked in my set and there it was. It is depressing getting old. :( It is not the first variant Cliff has sent me without charge. There have been several.

And, I appreciate it when folks post variants here, even if they might have shown up elsewhere, because it is valuable having one thread where you can search for examples.

Darren does have a lot of great variations listed in his BST thread. Definitely worth a look

Exhibitman 04-22-2015 10:51 AM

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibit...en_%20rich.jpg

MikeGarcia 04-22-2015 01:26 PM

How Green Was My Jensen
 
http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...JENSEN_NEW.JPG


....I don't know how something like this could have happened but a green uniform might have been a big hit in a town like Boston.

...

Cliff Bowman 04-22-2015 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1404008)
I can attest to Cliff's prior recognition of the Kaline variant. After he posted it I told him I was looking for one and he pointed out he had sent me one quite awhile back ( no charge by the way). I looked in my set and there it was. It is depressing getting old. :( It is not the first variant Cliff has sent me without charge. There have been several.

And, I appreciate it when folks post variants here, even if they might have shown up elsewhere, because it is valuable having one thread where you can search for examples.

Darren does have a lot of great variations listed in his BST thread. Definitely worth a look

Don't let him fool you, he compensated me for that particular card ;).

Bibitte2 04-23-2015 10:39 AM

printing variation
 
Hey guys, i have some nice variation....lol

Original Printing plates....
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Mantle And 2 other players...
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http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf4uwvcff.jpg
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Ruth/Fox/Kiner/Greenberg/Wilson.
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http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfg7u80fs.jpg
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http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/a...psl9cawj44.jpg

ALR-bishop 04-24-2015 01:52 PM

1972
 
I have a large number of 1972 with poor registration, including the Allen, but Adam's is a "super" example

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7e4a206.jpg

JollyElm 04-27-2015 03:06 PM

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I've always loved the shot on this '73 Speier card and found this wrong back for a pittance, so I grabbed it up…
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1963Topps Set 04-27-2015 04:15 PM

If you want to trade that 1973 wrong back, just let me know.

Thanks....

Tom

JollyElm 04-28-2015 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set (Post 1405760)
If you want to trade that 1973 wrong back, just let me know.

Thanks....

Tom

Within the next few days when I add additional cards to my errors and variations for trade thread in the BST, the Speier will be there.

JollyElm 05-02-2015 02:55 PM

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I love the Mets, I love 1972, I love high numbers, I love the 'TRADED' subset and I love errors…

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Talk about having it all!!!

Laxcat 05-03-2015 03:49 PM

1970 topps print errors and miscuts
 
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Yall have some cool stuff on here! Here are my 1970 print vars:

Yankee TC and Mullena are way off register. The Repoz is off register, but not to the same degree. The Mike Lum has some serious magenta bleed. The Hiatt Patek May and Ray all have sizable portions of the end of the sheet. The Christian is my favorite. How many times can you get 3 cards in one?

ALR-bishop 05-08-2015 09:42 AM

1963 Bombers
 
I have considered whether this card involves a true variation, one in which Topps made an effort to minimize the bat between Mantle's legs in later runs, and did it in different degrees. But the fact there are so few of the minimized cards seems to argue against it. Why would such a change be made only near the end of the print run ?

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1431013294

JollyElm 05-08-2015 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1409169)
I have considered whether this card involves a true variation, one in which Topps made an effort to minimize the bat between Mantle's legs in later runs, and did it in different degrees. But the fact there are so few of the minimized cards seems to argue against it. Why would such a change be made only near the end of the print run ?

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1431013294

The only one that looks different to me is the card on the left. Do the other two differ with regards to that bat?

The image shows that the overall color of the card on the left is all out of whack. The yellow is significantly duller and it's missing some red (magenta) ink, among possibly other things, as compared to the middle and right cards. That probably explains what's going on here.

bnorth 05-08-2015 07:43 PM

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Here is the Mantle with some print offsets.

ALR-bishop 05-09-2015 12:39 PM

1963 Angels Team card
 
This card has two slightly different but related recurring print defects. The most common one involves a red and blue line to upper right of lower left front logo. A card without those two marks is harder to find. The third version involves the red line version smudged with some of the red in the white pants of the guy to the left. That seems to be the toughest, but have seen a few of them. Top one is clean. 2nd one has the red and blue lines. The 3d has the red in the pants

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1431110239

MikeGarcia 05-10-2015 09:50 AM

Is this considered a ''Scrap'' ?
 
http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...KABACK_NEW.JPG


...anyone ever seen 1957 Topps with a back like this --I assume it's a factory cut because it's miscut just like ninety per cent of all '57 Topps were....

..

bnorth 05-10-2015 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeGarcia (Post 1409899)
http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...KABACK_NEW.JPG


...anyone ever seen 1957 Topps with a back like this --I assume it's a factory cut because it's miscut just like ninety per cent of all '57 Topps were....

..

Maybe a card cut from a salesman sample?

SMPEP 05-10-2015 11:03 AM

Correct - that is 1/3rd of a saleman sample.

MikeGarcia 05-10-2015 11:04 AM

Salesman Sample ?
 
Oh , okay.....I've seen three-card strips reputed to be ''Samples'' but I 've never seen the backs;.anyone have one or know about the 3-card strip backs ?

...thanks

bnorth 05-10-2015 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia (Post 1409931)
Oh , okay.....I've seen three-card strips reputed to be ''Samples'' but I 've never seen the backs;.anyone have one or know about the 3-card strip backs ?

...thanks

Usually some on eBay. Link to another single. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Topps-A...item35d405a6a7

ALR-bishop 05-10-2015 04:13 PM

Salesman Samples
 
i think you can find them from 53 to 67. I have several. Trying to get one for each of my sets. Anthony, Griffins on the board, has a great run for both Topps and Bowman. If you keep a search for Topps or Bowman Salesman sample, you will find them on eBay, usually partially cut like this one. They are most valuable if the 3 card strip is uncut. The next factor involves whether a star card is pictured on the strip. Less valuable is a star on the back. The backs do not usually match the front players. Two card backs are advertising with one player back from the set. Here is back of my 59 Salesman Sample

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...psf92d7437.jpg

JollyElm 05-13-2015 04:39 PM

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Three wildly miscut 1970 HOF'ers…
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Pretty cool!!

JollyElm 05-16-2015 05:53 AM

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I'm really starting to dig wildly miscut cards. Here are a few more from 1970, including HOF'er Maz…
Attachment 190581

ALR-bishop 05-22-2015 03:00 PM

1957
 
Someone mentioned this one on CU. Recurring print defect, not scarce

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1432241957

rgpete 05-22-2015 08:54 PM

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73 Miscuts

JollyElm 05-24-2015 06:27 PM

Pseudo shameless plug…for anyone interested, a lot of the cards I posted in this thread are now available for trade in my new Errors & Variations thread in the B/S/T. Check it out.


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