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I believe that I have a card which may debunk some of this, or at least adds some level of confusion to what you are trying to unravel.
It has scratches that cross each other or don't go in the direction of the ones that are in the image. I can't remember the player. I would need to look. Also, how can you be sure that a given card belongs in the position you have it in when the line on the card cuts through another card in the same spot? |
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from another plate scratch sheet. There are four that have scratches that cross each other from different directions on three different sheets. There is a Seymour on this sheet Attachment 259147 Attachment 259149 A Doyle and Stone on this sheet Attachment 259150Attachment 259151 Attachment 259154 And a Cobb on this sheet Attachment 259152 Attachment 259153 I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to with your other question but the back of the sheet in this thread was used for two different fronts so there are two subjects with the same scratch for each position. |
Yes. I am referring ones that you have shown.
I still see room for some of them to be transposed with other positions, but admittedly haven't studied everything THAT hard to take an opposing view. |
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Attachment 259265 Attachment 259258Attachment 259259 Attachment 259260Attachment 259261 There is also a miscut SC150 Sheckard that shows part of Wilbur Goode. Attachment 259262 |
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I just picked up a new previously unconfirmed Weimer scratch that fits
the pattern of one of the three rows of scratches on this sheet. The scratches from this row are difficult to spot because this scratch is consistently much lighter than the other two. Attachment 273511 Attachment 273512 Attachment 273513 |
Nice work here, Pat.
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Some of the cards in your image don't have any marks on them. How are you determining that those players go in those spots? Assuming miss cut cards and double names?
Also, your analysis would mean that they printed 2 piedmont 150 sheets of 4 rows of 17 and 1 sheet with a 9th row of 20. What is the theory on the remaining cards? 17 plus the 3 wonders(Magie, Plank and Wagner)? |
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I made this sheet by connecting existing scratches to give me an idea on location and subjects for unconfirmed scratches. If there is no X then that scratch is currently unconfirmed. There are two subjects for each scratch one is a SC649 subject and the other a non 649 subject the Red are the 649's and the Blue are non 649 subjects that are confirmed. For example there should be a Pastorius scratch that matches this new weimer and next to that scratch there is an unconfirmed scratch that should be found on Criger and H. Davis (circled on the image below). Attachment 274161 I think I might be confusing some people with the three different scratches. The vertical location of these scratches are just for my research I don't know where they were on the sheet and the middle one is short because I haven't found any scratches on the right side to connect to yet. If in your first question your referring to the areas with no scratches there are other plate scratch sheets that indicate at least 12 vertical rows with the same subject, this is just my opinion but I think all of the plate scratch sheets had the same vertical subject for the whole sheet. As far as the sheet size and Magie, Plank and Wagner. There were a few different printings for the PD150 sheets and several changes were made so the number isn't actually 156 for the sheets. Magie was changed to Magee so that would only count as one. There are a few PD150 Plank's and Wagner's but they are scraps. Crawford (throwing) was a late addition and Lundgren (Chicago) and Jennings (Portrait) were later additions. Personally I think there were a few different size sheets although I do think all of the PD150 sheets with the scratches were printed close to the same time and were probably the same size. Because of the amount of T206's that were printed I also think it's reasonable to consider that there were sheets printed at some of the other facility's owned by American Lithograph at the time not just their original NY facility. Attachment 274150 Attachment 274157 Attachment 274158 |
Nice work Pat.
I've been looking at Magies, and there are some flawed backs that I'm fairly sure don't appear with any other front, even the Magees. I need to write it up eventually, but I also think there were at least three different printings of most fronts in the 150 series. With the less common cards being printed only once and not necessarily on the same sheet. I'm still thinking the 8 from the middle fit to the right of the sheet layout. But being sure of that would require matching a so far unconfirmed weimer/pastorious with the O'Leary. I've also thought that more than one printing plant may have been involved. Nothing really solid to base it on, but a hunch based on the number issued and the other sets that share some of the pictures. The orange borders were produced here in Lowell, and share a few pictures. The company specialized in novelty candy boxes. One day I want to get to the local historical society and see if they have any info on the company which as far as I can tell moved to Lowell from Boston around 1910 and went out of business shortly after that. Steve B |
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third horizontal scratch on this sheet. There are two subjects (Conroy and Williams) with three different horizontal scratches. I Just realized that I didn't update the sheet to include the third Conroy. Here's the updated sheet Attachment 274290 Here are the 3 Conroy's Attachment 274284 Attachment 274285 Attachment 274286 and the 3 William's Attachment 274287 Attachment 274288 Attachment 274289 |
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