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ooo-ribay 12-09-2021 03:01 PM

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Isn’t there an ABCO? :confused:

Kyle mentioned he had another company profile coming for his blog. The name was something like ABCO. He said I had a few examples, including this one. Maybe the thin tassels are a characteristic? Note: even with the thin tasels, the one behind is not similar. It's the bat wielding Giant, Gothic font, player in the middle, ball at tip.

UKCardGuy 12-09-2021 05:32 PM

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A couple of those made only a couple of pennants ever, IMO. :cool:

That's very true. So far I've tracked 1,360 Pennants. Of these Trench is the most prolific producing 297 entries, followed by WGN (68), AdFlag (61) and Keezer (35).

There are a few more manufacturers that I should have included. This is the full list:
  • A.G. Spalding Co.
  • ABC Emblem & Pennant Co
  • AdFlag
  • AMCO
  • Annin Flagmakers of New York, NY, a.k.a., A & Co. N.Y.
  • ASCO
  • Bloom Bros of Minneapolis
  • Chicago Pennant Co.
  • CMC
  • Collegiate Mfg Co
  • Ferguson Bakery
  • Hanco
  • Keezer
  • Lowe and Campbell
  • Norsid Mfg Co, Yonkers NY
  • New York Pennant Co.
  • Pacific Athletic Co.
  • Red Ball Sales Company
  • The Reproduction Co. of New York, NY
  • Trench
  • WGN
  • Wincraft
  • Wright & Ditson
  • + the Unknown manufacturer of the pennants above
  • + sliding runner BB/straight arm FB
  • + Grommet pennants

Most of these have less than 10 pennants in the catalog.

It's been a while since I've published an updated version of the catalog. Here's the latest version: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FUg...ew?usp=sharing

If anyone has corrections/suggestions, I'd be grateful for them.

matty39 12-09-2021 08:57 PM

Ferguson Bakery pennants
 
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On the Ferguson blotter shown below it states that the bakery was giving away as premiums both large movie actor and baseball star pennants. Those pennants were produced by Bradford and company of St. Joseph, Michigan. Several years ago I picked up one of the large movie actor pennants which fortunately had it's ad on the back. Both are shown below. On your list you should probably cross out Ferguson and add Bradford and Co.

Domer05 12-09-2021 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2173244)
Kyle mentioned he had another company profile coming for his blog. The name was something like ABCO. He said I had a few examples, including this one. Maybe the thin tassels are a characteristic? Note: even with the thin tasels, the one behind is not similar. It's the bat wielding Giant, Gothic font, player in the middle, ball at tip.

That would be AMCO. I'll have more to say about them on my BLOG in 2022.;)

Domer05 12-10-2021 12:22 AM

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Hmmm I think we need Mr. Domer to check in on that.

There are other “series” of pennants of unknown maker, that share the same design and structure. Examples:

Oversized 1910s “B.B.C.” pennants (Red Sox just sold in REA)
Very oversized 1900-1910s with sewn leather graphic

I should also add that the 1951 NYG Cinderella Boys pennant comes from a maker that appears to be unique from those previously listed. There are others with same wide scroll and similar designs - again, Dodgers and Yankees, suggesting a NYC area company. Still think it would be cool to have a reference with pennants sorted by maker.

You have such a reference: pennantfever.weebly.com! I may not have posted any new content in a while, but I'm constantly updating the libraries for each maker as soon as new pennants are ID'd. If you haven't looked at my ADFLAG post in a few years, you'll see a few new pennants there. Same with WGN.

It's tough to keep up with Trench, however, because they made sooooo many pennants from 1940-70. They made a lot of different pennant series, too and each series generally included a pennant for all 16+ teams. Documenting them all would be quite an undertaking, so I just tried to include a few examples from each.

Oh, and the maker of the double-wide scroll pennants you reference? And, the BBC series maker? I have some answers to these questions ... but, you're gonna have to wait. New content in 2022 will answer these questions.

Domer05 12-10-2021 01:16 AM

Bradford & Co., St. Joseph, MI
 
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Originally Posted by matty39 (Post 2173360)
On the Ferguson blotter shown below it states that the bakery was giving away as premiums both large movie actor and baseball star pennants. Those pennants were produced by Bradford and company of St. Joseph, Michigan. Several years ago I picked up one of the large movie actor pennants which fortunately had it's ad on the back. Both are shown below. On your list you should probably cross out Ferguson and add Bradford and Co.

Matty, great find! Always wondered who made those Ferguson promo minis!

I'm definitely familiar with this company. They made some Notre Dame championship banners from the 1929-30 seasons featuring a sewn label of theirs. According to some research I once did on them, they were founded by a guy named Fredrick LeRoy Bradford. He started the company in 1897 to produce advertising novelties and souvenir items in the resort town of St. Joseph, MI. In 1907 he began making felt pennants; and, he was one of the early pioneers to screen print his pennants. At one point Bradford was considered "the largest maker of felt pennants"; but, it's unclear when that may have been true (or if that was ever an accurate claim). The company was still in business by 1960, well after Bradford's death; and, they still listed felt pennants as something they manufactured, at that point. By then, however, they were well invested in a variety of other advertising-related products, so who knows how much felt pennants played into things.

But, other than the Ferguson Bakery series, did they ever make any pro baseball pennants in any significant quantities? If they did, they likely stopped labeling their pennants sometime after 1930. Who knows? They could be our mystery maker responsible for the sliding runner and stiff arming footballer pennants.... (I promise no clear answers on this mystery in 2022, regrettably.)

Or, perhaps they only focused on souvenir, promo, and advertising pennants?

I feel like if they were as big as was once claimed, we'd all know more about them by now.

UKCardGuy 12-10-2021 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by matty39 (Post 2173360)
On the Ferguson blotter shown below it states that the bakery was giving away as premiums both large movie actor and baseball star pennants. Those pennants were produced by Bradford and company of St. Joseph, Michigan. Several years ago I picked up one of the large movie actor pennants which fortunately had it's ad on the back. Both are shown below. On your list you should probably cross out Ferguson and add Bradford and Co.

Thanks. That's great info. I've updated my catalog accordingly.

Kyle, I'm already looking forward to the 2022 updates to the blog!

thetahat 12-10-2021 03:29 PM

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Kyle, good stuff. The batter graphic appears on a set of minis I picked up not too long ago, interested to learn more, can’t wait for ‘22!

Also I forgot all about the BF3s from 1936-37 … is that the same as Red Ball?

thetahat 12-10-2021 05:21 PM

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Speaking of minis I found this cool WGN after getting the price way down. Haven’t seen another from this series. I have seen mid-size pennants from the series, not with tassels but with extended spine as if it was part of a string … but they were large, like 20”.

I had fun with my “mini” project, just about filled in all the gaps on the paneling. Pics to come.

erikc21 12-11-2021 08:00 PM

Here is a WGN of mine that I’ve not seen another version of. Is there a ‘Day-Glo’ version?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ee1df20645.jpg


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