LOL...Yes.

Chris...the guys here have seen these pics before, but I appreciate your pennant enthusiasm!

:) hey Rob. Sorry about that. The FB group only has 700 or so members, didn’t think there would be much overlap:)

What is a "Don"? Wasn't Bill Russell a "Don"?

You saw the The Godfather didn't you? Sort of like that only Spanish.

I have been trying to obtain this particular Cubs pennant for some time with no luck. It seldom comes on the market. It’s obviously peculiar due to the artist using Ebbets Field in place of Wrigley. The Dodger pennants using this graphic are much more plentiful and based on the dated ones, I would assume they would date from late 40s to mid 50s. Anyone have any thoughts or other information on these?

Very nice Mike. That is a tough one, especially not faded or torn. Right on with dates.

Good luck, Mike. That particular color you show is striking.

Interesting. The style of the Cubs pennant does not look like Trench, which is where the Ebbets graphic originated (I think). Very cool though.

No worries Chris!

Speaking of Super Bowl pennants, anyone know what’s going on here, besides the obvious? Is this the only SB3 pennant that isn’t dedicated to a team?

What’s written after the “L” (in your tiny little picture)? :p

LOL...It's '69. The year in which Super Bowl III was played. As for what's going on...Super Bowl III was the first one in which the NFL used the name Super Bowl. The only other Super Bowl III pennants I can think of are the individual Colts and Jets pennants. Unlike "Super Bowl" II and most Super Bowls from IV on, there's no pennant featuring both teams for Super Bowl III...unless it's yet to be discovered. Maybe they all designated the 17 point favorite Colts the champs and had to be destroyed. :p

There are other generic Super Bowl pennants like the ones Greg shared, but they aren't dated so hard to pin down which game they're from.

Yeah I gotta figure out how to get bigger pics with my phone. It denies “actual size” and gives me three other options, all of which are tiny....

I think you’re gonna have to take them on your phone and send them to your desktop computer.

Yes...That's how I do it. Then you get the option to choose a size. I usually go with medium.

Some nice pennants went off on the Ebay today. Hopefully you guys one.

I resize mine under, but as close to, 2 MB as I can.

Some nice prices realized. I was underbidder on the Red Sox. My snipes didn't even register on the others (1946-47-48-49 World Series).

Anybody here fork over the required cash?

I was probably under you on that one. I bid on a couple others too. I thought the 47 was nice, don't see that around much. Those 46's were nice as well. I have that 56 in my collection already, but i though some of them went very reasonable. Nice condition all throughout.

I got blown out on both the Dodgers WS pennants I had my eyes on.

What were they? What did they go for?

I got the ‘49. The scarcity + condition made it too hard to resist. Already have ‘46 and ‘47. Was underbidder on the ‘48. ( ‘46 and ‘48 are early Keezers, very cool.)

I always get nervous after the auction, worried that the price was elevated due to just one other bidder. But three other snipes were over $1000 US, not too far from the final price. So that was somewhat comforting.

Congrats on your wins.

I am the same, and agree.

That's pretty funny Greg. If it's any solace even when there looks like there was only one other bidder, there actually could be many others whose snipes were a second after the underbidder and a dollar short. Those won't register on eBay.

Congrats Greg... That one was clearly the cream of the crop. Great score!

Thanks guys! I think I’ll be having a fire sale soon on B/S/T ...

Yeah that’s right ... good to know!

The strange thing about that 1949 version is that usually the first team "Yankees" is the home team for the pennant, but it shows Ebbets Field. You would have outbid me, but that's what kept me from bidding as I only pick up Yankees pennants

Interesting ... is there a ‘49 version with Yankee Stadium?

Your observation might only pertain to a certain manufacturer. Like the ‘55 and ‘56 WS pennants that show the traditional Yankees logo and the Brooklyn cap ... they each have two versions with teams flipped. But I’m not sure Trench did this. The ‘55 pennant with fancy spine and forked tip comes in two colors but in each it is Yankees above Dodgers, in every version I’ve seen. Anyone else have info? I’m curious now ... thanks for info!

Speaking of two-team WS pennants ... I wonder what years have such pennants (known)? I know this goes back to A’s/Giants with the cool Ben Franklin pennant. But does anyone know if there are WS pennants for 1952 or 1953?

Very nice! It’s reassuring that every once in a while there’s still some good stuff on ebay. In my experience, not often but sometimes.

I love the colors in the ‘59 White Sox!

Ebay, with few exceptions, has been a wasteland for months. Compound that with all the extra home computer time the ebay trolls have due to covid and the competition for fresh meat is fierce. Everything good, listed as buy it now, is gone in 60 seconds.

Kind of sad, because I used to be the one getting them. :eek::D

Typically now, when something good does show up, it's listed auction style. For a few years, auctions almost became obsolete on ebay. At one point Ebay planned for more of an Amazon type business plan, moving away from the auction format. But then something changed and they started offering hundreds of free auction style listings each month. Now auctions are back full force.

Fballguy...the original Ebay Troll

I prefer the auctions, only started making offers and checking more often in spare time because I was missing out. I’d notice cool pennants vanish immediately and then resurface a few weeks later as GREAT EYE APPEAL. :) Some of us are collectors and others are immediately flipping for a profit. I’m not saying it isn’t ethical, of course not. But those of us in the first category are more or less “forced” into it by the latter.

Totally agree...If you can't beat'em you've got no choice but to join'em. Strike first ask questions later (as you well know :D).

There was a Rod Carew ASCO picture pennant listed for $42 BIN today. I noticed it about 5 minutes after it listed and knew it was gone. Sure enough.

Probably another with GREAT EYE APPEAL

I predict a Monday evening ending auction along with several other rare pennants. Just a gut feeling.

Yeah we’ll see a curtain call for Rod Carew soon, no doubt.

Speaking of ASCO player pennants, here’s something I picked up recently, not really my cup of tea but I got this way way under the asking price. I think the price was so high no one bothered with it. Anyway, the darn thing is virtually mint. I might put it up as trade bait on B/S/T but more and more I think it’s pretty cool.

Those are definitely pricey. I just can't bring myself to pay that kind of money for a mini pennant. Definitely cool though. And you can't go wrong with Packers. Someone will want it for sure.

The Packers and Vikings are so much more rare than the Twins baseball. Because of their cloth make up and they fade so easy, it’s really tough to find in that good of shape. If anyone has the Lombardi to show, this would be a great lead it to brag about rarity. Nice pennant greg

Thanks Jason ... Vince has a pennant? Didn’t know that. Gotta be the holy grail of the set ...

They made one like this. I believe this photo is from Kyles website. Even these Twins versions are extremely difficult to find, I have only seen one Lombardi.

I should add that any of the player photo pennants other than Twins are extremely hard to find and there are very rare versions of the Twins players as well. Some of these player pennants are one of a kind. Some come with a B&W photo and other come with color. I have owned and sold a number of them including some of the ones Kyle shows on his web site as well as Packers, Dodgers, Reggie, Yaz, Conigliaro’s, etc. I have a Mickey Mantle and I know of Hank Aaron, I also believe the Giants one on Kyles site was a Willie Mays if I remember correctly. I like them a lot, but don’t keep photos or records like you guys do. They did some great full size photo pennants over the years too. I have had and sold many of those too. The supply seems to have dried up as many have disappeared in long term collections.

Tommy Mason of the Vikings is the only non-Packer Football I've seen. Are you aware of any other Vikings or football teams?

That one is mine, Jason. It may be the one and only time I was in the right place at the right time for an ebay BIN. It didn't come with a picture but I would have to think ASCO would have had Mays in mind. I've never seen another one of these pennants. The seller was from Winona.

I’m pretty sure it was Ed Halicki ;)

You asked for it! Another piece from my low end collection. :p

NICE!!!! Product of Monmouth University!

I hate to see this thread drop down the page so here’s a new addition, had never seen it before ...

Top pennant is also a new addition, interesting to see the subtle differences between ‘57 (felt) and ‘58 (cloth).

Nice pickups, Greg. I like seeing the "I've never seen it before" pennants.

I just got this Houston mini pennant that is part of a baseball series. It was posted in this thread a few years ago when I asked a question about the larger Houston pennant (below, which I don't own) that may or may not be a Houston Astros pennant. The speculation is that there was a transition period between Colts and Astros and that some version of this star logo was used before the Astros name and/or logo was settled. Not sure if that is true or not.

Marc:
Do you recall if there was a consensus on the generic Houston Pennant? Did most people believe it was a transitional pennant (prior to them naming the team "Astros"?) I could definitely see that as a possibility.

On a separate topic... WTF is going on with eBay? I can't ever recall a time in which pennant listings have been more pathetic. There is absolutely nothing to get excited about. Have all the good pennants finally dried up?

It's become a complete waste of time. My watch list has tumbleweeds. My wife even commented about me not getting packages any more. It seems like I see the same pennants recirculating every 48 hours too. I wonder if the new payment system has people listing elsewhere...or like me...not at all.

Yeah, ebay has been pretty much a wasteland for me lately. I was just looking through some of jonsstats pennants. Interesting stuff, but none of it for me.

Mark- about the Houston stuff, I think most of us fell in the category of pretty skeptical until there is photo proof, but someone said that these have been long viewed as Astros pennants in the hobby (by people who would have been in the know many years ago).

But, why are these pennants always red, green, black... never blue or orange?

But, then there is the hat in this 1965 spring training photo that is just a star, and more recent hats have a star with a circle (with some other stuff).

I look for Houston pennants pretty regularly. These don't show up very often. Not sure what that means exactly. I also don't seen many pennants for the city of Houston in general. They are almost always tied to a particular place in Houston.

Interesting.... 1965 spring training is exact timing that you’d expect to see that hat, if indeed the pennant is affiliated with the baseball team. 3 years as the Colt .45s, followed by potential indecision over the new name over the off-season.

You have to figure that those spring training hats were designed and manufactured at least a few months prior to 1965 Spring Training. Sure would be cool if one of those hats was ever to surface.

Looks like the kind of hat that Ebbets Field Flannels could perhaps make if the image isn't already trademarked and/or they could get a license from MLB to do so.

My guess is that the larger pennant was made by the company who made the ones in Baseball Rob’s 1960s banquet picture from a few pages ago.

Well, quit watching and you can be sure someone will put up the NY Giants 3D pennant, BIN for $199.

I did actually find a pin today that I’ve been after for a while.

1940s Reds - Burger Beer Pennant
 

Anyone have any details about this one. I picked it up last week (I'm still waiting for it to arrive).

I found one previous listing on Mears from 2011 here: https://www.mearsonlineauctions.com/...-lot42422.aspx

My one certainly isn't mint but it's one that that I've not seen before and it didn't cost much.

I love the crossover with Burger Beer. I’m from Ohio, so I remember Burgie!

I've had a couple of those Reds pennants. I'd say the sweet spot (depending on condition) is somewhere around $300. I've seen outliers go significantly higher and lower.

What's interesting to me...I believe mine were stiffer material, which makes it odd to see a hole in yours. Does anyone know if they made a cloth or felt version as well. Also, the spine has the tell tale narrow seams of a reproduction, though I don't think this pennant was ever reproduced. If it has, I've never seen it. If you look at Mitchell & Ness pennants they have those close together seams.

Lastly, I know sellers sometimes treat pennants like they're from another planet. They have no idea how to handle them...but why do so many sellers not take the easy step of at least flattening the pennant out so it presents better. I see pictures like this time and again.

That’s when you get the deals!

This is what the spine has looked like on the ones I had. Out closer to the edge of the spine so there's not as much excess material on the outside of the seams.

+1

I look for those places where they don't know how to display them or possibly describe them incorrectly. It's how bargains are found.

I picked this up for $37 so I might have gotten a bargain. I'll post better photos when I get it and can make a better assessment.

Any idea who made them?

Mine looks like Rob's. Great buy on the first one, despite the odd spine and condition issues. I have never seen a cloth version... only felt.

Looks to me that the pennant body is original but maybe - just a guess based on the pic - the spine was added later, perhaps as a repair. There’s a pretty big difference in the space between spine and graphics in the two pennants. Cool pennant either way.

The Reds sure had some weird pennants around this time. I just picked up an oversized 1961 pic pennant for some dumb reason, it’s ugly and weird shaped and really strange. Went straight to a tub. I’ll post a pic when I get home.

Thanks, Kyle

Kyle is a very talented guy! :D

Co-signed!

Nice work, Kyle.... Beautiful!

Cool two-sided Boston/Milw Braves pennant sold on eBay today, I have both sides as separate pennants but that the first two-sided I’ve seen. Here’s what’s interesting. The spine is on the Milwaukee side. I have the two-sided Colt 45s (presumably AdFlag) and I’ve seen a two sided Browns/Orioles. Both of them have the spine on the “new team” side. I would think it would be the other way around, wouldn’t you? As if they had existing “old” pennants and didn’t want to toss them. Another pennant mystery!

You would think that!

I’m pretty sure Mark and I share the same disdain for third party authenticators. How long until PSA starts slabbing pennants?

I've seen the Astros/Colt 45s and wondered the same thing. I guess this raises the question of when the spine was added, in the process. If it was the very last thing, maybe they had pennants without spines (yet). Or, maybe they just thought that the two-sided pennant would appeal to fans who weren't yet ready to let go of the old name.

That's correct, good point. Spines are definitely sewn on last. So either of your theories are likely the explanation.

I must confess: when making my own pennants, I've messed up more than a few and considered re-printing them on the reverse, just to save felt. The problem is, on certain types of modern-day felt, which is made from polyester (not wool), the ink runs through the pennant to the reverse side. So, you don't always have a blank canvass to work with when flipped over.

Kyle (or anyone else): when they made silkscreened pennants, was the felt cut and then the silkscreened (i.e., they were applying paint to a triangle)? or was the silkscreen applied to something like a large rectangle sheet that was then cut into triangles? (i.e., like a sheet of baseball cards).

Good question. I believe the latter. This is a much more efficient method because you can print multiple pennants at a time with one screen, which will use less ink. It's also much easier to cut the pennants out, because you do so in a way that minimizes superfluous cutting; and avoids wasted scraps.

Based on all the ridiculous cuts I have seen over the years, I agree with Kyle. Depending on how it was made, cut either with a machine or hand cut. If some were made on a large square or rectangle sheet, this would also account for the factory blunt cut tips that are seen from time to time.

100% correct assumption! Hopefully the answer is either never or not in our lifetime.

But I wouldn't put it past them. Especially with the new ownership team that's coming soon. New owners are always looking to grow their business by thinking "outside the box".

PSA already authenticates cards, silks, photos, tickets, pins, autographs, bats, gloves, and probably other items that don't immediately come to mind. I even saw recently that they slabbed/graded a cut-out of Mickey Mantle's image from the top of a 1968 Topps Posters Display Box. :confused:

I doubt that they'd actually slab a pennant, but who knows? I think that if/when they delve into pennants, it would be their dumb numbered sticker on the back side, accompanied by a Letter of Authenticity (with matching ID).

Of course if you have even the most elementary knowledge about pennants, this is all totally unnecessary (and a complete waste of money).