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I'm assuming it's already known, but besides the color difference, I noticed there is also a big cropping difference between those two 1961 Post cards. Most notably the amount of hand appearing below his chin...
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The two Red Schoendienst cards look different because they came from two different cereal panels. The top card came from a 12 oz Post Toasties panel and the bottom one came from a 14 oz Raisin Bran panel. It is common (in fact a certainty) that a player's cards coming from different box panels will have differences. Could be color. Could be picture cropping (look at the difference in the Schoendienst hand at the bottom of these two cards and you certainly see more of his hand in the lower card). Adhesive marking (or lack of) on the back of the card is another clue for some of the players.
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Wow, thanks for the comments, I had no idea. I figured the contrast was so stark this had to be noticed by people before. Are other players cards this obviously discernible? I guess because both are meant to be just as they are neither can be a variation. Hence why I've never heard of post cereal variations.
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1968 Topps Vern Fuller #71. Yellow streak on hat.
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1953 Topps #46 Klippstein
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I just saw that my card had the yellow line at the top so I bought the other one as a contrast. These are very common in both versions. A look on eBay shows that about 90% do not have the line and 10% DO have the line. The "ear ring" appears to show up on the lined versions.
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1968 Topps Glenn Beckert #101 partial right black border missing.
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There are a handful of advanced Post Cereal collectors who go after a Master Set for each of the Post Cereal card promotions. A Master Set is a card for every cereal box panel a player made an appearance on. It is challenging but there are reference book out there written by Dan Mabey that help and let one know the universe of a master set in terms of how many variations each Baseball player has out there in each of the sets (I wrote a similiar book on the 1962 Post Cereal Football Promotion). Collecting Post master sets is so much more challenging and fulfilling than going after other sets. Rather than a basic Post set of 200 cards, one is looking for many more cards. For example in the 1962 Post master set there is something like 550 cards. And all variations are not printed equally in terms of quantity. The popular cereal aimed at kids (Sugar Crisp, Alpha-Bits) have cards that are very common. Large boxes because families were cost conscious are also very common compared to smaller boxes of the same cereal. At the other end of the scale, adult focus cereal are less available. And if a player came on a small Grape-Nuts box ... good luck. So very tough. Price guides have never recognized many variation. Mostly on narrative differences due to a player being on two different boxes. Did I put you to sleep? |
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Thus I don't think you can say quote "you do realize you referred to the EXACT same thing I did" Rather he EXPANDED on the differences. And noted one thing of many in his post that mentioned the same cropping difference as you did I thought NET 54 was there for information/learning etc. not who is first with information. |
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1951 Bowman - [Base] #72 - Lloyd Merriman Courtesy of COMC.com Recurring yellow blemish at the bottom right corner. |
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Recurring red line at bottom.
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Wow, Fred. This guy is something. Totally agree with you and thank you. Way more information provided than this gentleman. And in the second post later, went even further. And for those of you who don’t know Fred, he is absolutely on the top tier of (Post Cereal) collectors. And very knowledgeable. He’s also probably the top Hartland collector, exhibit card collector, and Salada coin collector …. among other things. He collects an awful lot of different things and is has to be one of the top collectors in the country. A go to Guy for sure. |
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Mr. Elm, sir, you need to put down the coffee cup, get off the ledge, and find a cool spot to sit in. Yes, he appeared to elaborate on without acknowledging your earlier post. Might be a misdemeanor, but definitely not a felony. You also get credit for the images. But you need to drop the matter now. It's not the hill to die on.
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I type pretty slowly. And while I'm typing I cant see if another response comes in that's similar.
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Can I just say I love all of you. Mainly because we all share the same joys of cardboard but also because all of you have a vast amount of knowledge to share with everyone else regarding the cardboard. That knowledge over the years/decades inevitably has spilled over into each one of our lives in one way or another and we will inevitably from time to time share the same information or in my case, sometimes share photos of previously mentioned variations already mentioned in this fun, lengthy thread. I appreciate the grace others have shown me and try my best to extend the same to others. Ken, Fred, and Elm have all been wonderful to deal with in the past and are all tremendous assets to this community. All much more so than myself.
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Many pages earlier in this tread, in a moment of mass hysteria, some off us discussed doing an index to all the variants in here. After a brief aborted attempt we gave up and let it roll on. At times, when I wonder before posting something if I should first go back and check the 33 pages of prior scans to see it it was already posted, I always decide, screw that.
But I once did go back through all the pages when we were around 30 and there is some really cool stuff in here |
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After I finished I realized I could do a search of just this thread for 1965 Topps. Glad I looked at everything though. Al, your posts are always great and your collection is fantastic. Thanks for sharing it with us. Mike |
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Yep, that's why I like linking images from COMC. They contain the basic card information for reference.
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I bought a small collection last week and it had these:
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1963 Topps #242 Hank Aaron Ernie Banks Power Plus: recurring border break at top right corner.
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Here are the blue bleeds I have in my collection: 104 Checklist 2 - blue bleed top border 118 Hal Lanier - Blue bleed into left side stat box 119 John Kennedy - Blue bleeds into cartoon faces and first letters of name 154 Bob Humphreys - blue bleed into initials and cartoon on back 189 Checklist 3 - blue bleed top border 215 Pete Ward - Blue bleed in left side stat box 273 Checklist 4 - blue bleed top border 323 Hank Bauer - Blue bleed in number circle 361 Checklist 5 – blue bleed top border 428 Bob Shaw - White blob by right ear and blue bleed in S in name and cartoon 478 Wilbur Wood - blue bleed top of stat box and right corners 531 - Chuck Hiller – various blue bleeds in cartoon and stat box 598 Al Downing - Blue bleed though D in name on reverse Mike |
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Quick question is 461 and 478 the only ones with devil ears on right boarder?
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Guessing this is just a yellow print shift error and not a variation, but I thought it was cool enough to take home from the LCS yesterday. 3D Al!
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New to these parts as well
Hi fellow obsessed card collectors. I just found out about this cool site a few weeks ago and reading through from page 1 has been a fun and intriguing process. I've learned a lot from many of you because I read and absorb your observations and celebrate both the rarities and commonplace cards you display and describe here. A few weeks ago I was reading what you folks talked about in the 2017 time frame and ventured out and bought some nice treasures that you talked about back then. I just got to this final page a couple days ago and decided to come out of lurk mode and thank you all for what you've built here. Mike
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Yes welcome, but be careful what you absorb here 😊
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Welcome. Make sure to feed us junkies and post your own variant discoveries so we can squint at some more cards to see more tiny inconsequential differences :D
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Show...me...your print variations!
Welcome, Orioles1959. Here’s one…I obtained a 1971 Topps set and observed that my Danny Doyle #352 has black ink bleed at bottom. Not sure how reoccurring it is but a quick eBay search discovered at least one other just like it.
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I recently joined a FB 71 group and the owner/admin of the group accused the seller of the 3rd copy of offering a card that is "OBVIOUSLY MARKED"??? |
1971 Topps Howie Reed #398 green ink bleed on back.
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1978 Topps Baseball
Hi, Some time ago I noted on my variations sheet that there were the 2 variations below for 1978 Topps. However I am not sure what I am looking for. Would anyone have examples they could share?
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Awesome - Thanks Al.
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I wasn’t aware of the 1978 Craig Kusick, it looks just like the ‘hockey puck’ on the 1986 Topps Johnny Grubb.
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Hi Cliff, Not aware of the 1986 Topps Johnny Grubb. Where is that puck variation located?
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