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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2125399)

Curious to get thoughts on this one which just ended tonight for $2300 (plus $5.70 for standard shipping :cool:)

Orig 1911 VANDERBILT CUP AUTO RACE Souvenir PENNANT 34" Savannah Georgia

https://ebay.us/qOXEAH

It seems way off to me (despite the sellers guaranteed authenticity). It's very white for 110 years old. Also interesting, it looks nothing like 1910 or 1912 Vanderbilt Cup pennants, neither of which has sewn on letters or images. In fact there is another 1911 Cup pennant that does closely resemble the 1910 and 1912 pennants (and it sold for $5700+ on ebay about 10 years ago). No pin holes seems unlikely as well. Lastly, the image of the car in tonights auction shows only a single driver, while all other pennants have two in the car. I don't know enough about the race or these pennants to know for sure but I see enough red flags that I wouldn't have bid on it. Also below are the other 1910 thru 1912 Vanderbilt Cup pennants...

I saw that too, but I didn’t see what it ended at. I thought it was legit as that was a common style for that era. I understand what you mean about different styles, but I think it’s good. Just my opinion.

The Yankees pennant is early 70’s utilizing the older styles. That style was used from the 50’s all the way to I guess the 70’s. The pennant needs to be dated on the material and stitching. Generally these pennants were already using synthetic stitching for the piping, but not all. The earliest of synthetic pennants still used regular fabric string / thread for stitching the piping.

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2125509)

A couple of new arrivals today.

Catalog refs: NYG032-TREN and NYYK053-TBC

Any ideas about the manufacturer of the Yankees pennant?

The Yankees pennant, I believe, is by ADFLAG. I think it may have been made somewhere in the 1960s.

The "New York" script matches other known ADFLAG pennants from that era for the Yankees and (AFL) Jets.

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 2125714)

Thanks. I was thinking it had to be made somewhere before 1969, otherwise it would have the MLB logo.

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2125739)

Thanks. I was thinking it had to be made somewhere before 1969, otherwise it would have the MLB logo.

What pushed me later initially was that it's warped. 1970s material is more prone to warping than 1960s material. At the end of the day, pennant dating is like horseshoes and hand grenades....close counts and is as good as we'll ever get unless it's dated.

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Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo (Post 2125694)

This is correct.

I have that same Yankees version on softer felt. They went with that particular design for many years. The really stiff ones are late 1960s - early 1970s. I have seen them so brittle that they actually crack (not something that real felt would ever do, and that's where I draw the line in my personal collection, haha).

Beware of some pennant lots in the Huggins and Scott Auction that just opened. I see at least 3 lots with reproduction pennants that are not disclosed, and are being sold as original...

913
916
930

Hope this is helpful!

Mark, looks like they corrected 913. But yeah the others are just as bad. I mean, c’mon now, they can’t tell???

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2126078)

Mark, looks like they corrected 913. But yeah the others are just as bad. I mean, c’mon now, they can’t tell???

But the pervert Brooklyn child molester is the real deal! :p

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2126365)

But the pervert Brooklyn child molester is the real deal! :p

Yes but I have seen repros of the molester pennant, too, on cardboard-like felt.

On a related note, I wish Mitchell & Ness stamped their repros. Their existence screws up the market.