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thetahat 07-11-2021 03:06 PM

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Circa 1954 Indians pennant, anyone know the maker?

erikc21 07-11-2021 07:06 PM

Hey, pennant guys
 
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Circa 1954 Indians pennant, anyone know the maker?


New pickup?? That’s a great flag!

erikc21 07-11-2021 07:15 PM

Also a great pickup, Marc! I’ve not seen that particular one!

Random question - anybody thinking about going to Nationals this year? I haven’t decided if I’m going, and I’ve never been, but if you’re thinking about going let me know!

Domer05 07-12-2021 12:34 AM

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Circa 1954 Indians pennant, anyone know the maker?

I believe this one to be by Trench based upon the dimensions, cloth material, and red spines. There's a similar graphic for the '56 NL champ Brooklyn Dodgers.

thetahat 07-12-2021 01:45 PM

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I believe this one to be by Trench based upon the dimensions, cloth material, and red spines. There's a similar graphic for the '56 NL champ Brooklyn Dodgers.

Respectfully … I’m not so sure about that. These seem radically different than Trench as far as design, graphics, etc. Do you mean red tassels? One thing they have in common (but for one below) is colored tassels with white spine. Trench almost all have matching tassels and spine, except it seems for some in the 1962-63 range.

I believe these are all from the same company …

thetahat 07-12-2021 01:50 PM

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Also a great pickup, Marc! I’ve not seen that particular one!

Random question - anybody thinking about going to Nationals this year? I haven’t decided if I’m going, and I’ve never been, but if you’re thinking about going let me know!

Not me, I’m strictly an Atlantic City guy, missed out on last year. But if you go, be sure to take some pics if you come across anything nice!

Shoeless Moe 07-12-2021 05:46 PM

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1913 was the first year the New York American League Baseball Team was known as the Yankees, prior to this season they were the Highlanders.

Future HOFer Frank Chance was the new manager, thus the first ever "Yankees" manager, little known fact.

May 17, 1913 -- Frank Chance Day at Comiskey Park (Yankees at White Sox)

http://www.connectingthewindycity.co...ce-day-at.html

I can't find another one online or at any auction house (REA, Heritage, Huggins, Goldin, LOTG, SCP, etc.). If you know of another example please let me know.

Domer05 07-13-2021 03:17 AM

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Respectfully Â… IÂ’m not so sure about that. These seem radically different than Trench as far as design, graphics, etc. Do you mean red tassels? One thing they have in common (but for one below) is colored tassels with white spine. Trench almost all have matching tassels and spine, except it seems for some in the 1962-63 range.

I believe these are all from the same company Â…

Sorry: I meant red tassels, yes.

Radically different? I think itÂ’s more of a close call ;)

Trench definitely used a white spine + colored tassels combo throughout the 1950s. You see that look on many different styles of Brooklyn Dodger pennants. But they also used the white spine + white tassel look then, too. (Even yellow spine + yellow tassels.). You are correct: by the early 1960s, at least on Los Angeles Dodgers pennants, they used red tassels + white spine + blue felt. That gave them a colorful look that of course complemented the teamÂ’s colors. I have no idea if they did that for other teams, or if it was a characteristic unique to the Dodgers.

Honestly I don’t think the color of the tassels is that helpful in ID’ing a pennant’s maker. I was more referring to the fact that your Indians pennant DID have tassels. That characteristic alone excludes WGN and ADFLAG from the discussion; and your mystery maker that we’ve all been consumed with identifying (the maker of the sliding runner series and the stiff arm footballer series — none of which featured tassels).

That really leaves Â… Trench, doesnÂ’t it? Tassels - check. Polychromatic artwork - check. Distinctive serif font - check. If the dimensions measure 8 x 26, and/or the itÂ’s made of flannel, thatÂ’s even more evidence itÂ’s likely by Trench.

Unfortunately, until we can extract the DNA from a pennant, weÂ’ll never really know no for sure who created it, right?

As to the four pennants you singled out Â… FWIW, IÂ’m confident the ca. 1950 Whiz Kids pennants is by Trench. IÂ’m on the fence as to the first Brooklyn pennant, which I think may be a phantom from 1951, perhaps? It looks like TrenchÂ’s work but IÂ’ve never seen it in person so IÂ’ll reserve judgment on that one.

todeen 07-13-2021 07:37 AM

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We’ve covered this topic a lot, but I still enjoy a good before and after picture. I try to stay away from the color red, but this one improved quite a bit imho.

It’s a rainy and gloomy day here so the lighting doesn’t show the ‘after’ as well as I’d like.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6b55fe2c42.jpg

Reds fan here, great job on a cool pennant. I never thought of cleaning a pennant. How did you do it?

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thetahat 07-13-2021 07:52 AM

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Sorry: I meant red tassels, yes.

Radically different? I think itÂ’s more of a close call ;)

Trench definitely used a white spine + colored tassels combo throughout the 1950s. You see that look on many different styles of Brooklyn Dodger pennants. But they also used the white spine + white tassel look then, too. (Even yellow spine + yellow tassels.). You are correct: by the early 1960s, at least on Los Angeles Dodgers pennants, they used red tassels + white spine + blue felt. That gave them a colorful look that of course complemented the teamÂ’s colors. I have no idea if they did that for other teams, or if it was a characteristic unique to the Dodgers.

Honestly I don’t think the color of the tassels is that helpful in ID’ing a pennant’s maker. I was more referring to the fact that your Indians pennant DID have tassels. That characteristic alone excludes WGN and ADFLAG from the discussion; and your mystery maker that we’ve all been consumed with identifying (the maker of the sliding runner series and the stiff arm footballer series — none of which featured tassels).

That really leaves Â… Trench, doesnÂ’t it? Tassels - check. Polychromatic artwork - check. Distinctive serif font - check. If the dimensions measure 8 x 26, and/or the itÂ’s made of flannel, thatÂ’s even more evidence itÂ’s likely by Trench.

Unfortunately, until we can extract the DNA from a pennant, weÂ’ll never really know no for sure who created it, right?

As to the four pennants you singled out Â… FWIW, IÂ’m confident the ca. 1950 Whiz Kids pennants is by Trench. IÂ’m on the fence as to the first Brooklyn pennant, which I think may be a phantom from 1951, perhaps? It looks like TrenchÂ’s work but IÂ’ve never seen it in person so IÂ’ll reserve judgment on that one.

Interesting. The 1954 Indians is full-size. Here’s a 1950 Trench Phillies. I don’t see anything in common here. Even the texture of the spine is different. … Can do same with the 1954 Indians … Trench made a few different versions for this season but they all share some common features. The one above just doesn’t seem to fit.

Now I agree not AdFlag or WGN, even though the latter did have tasseled pennants in the 1940s. I personally think this is another unidentified maker.


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