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Marc, I can’t pull it up either but I know what it looks like. In my early collecting days the guys who seemed to have the biggest collection of pennants for sale was Adelson in Scottsdale. He had a list of pennants with B/W pics on photocopies, way overpriced. I remember thinking the Mariners was cool but it was like $200 or something and at the time I was still mostly into 70s and 80s.
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Just sold on ebay about two weeks ago. $249. It really is a cool/funky looking pennant.
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I have one with the reverse colors (blue graphics on yellow felt). It's a little better looking, because the graphics come across more clearly. This one is (IMHO) the only interesting Mariners Pennant ever made. Sorry, M's fans... but your franchise came along a little too late! |
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This one is pretty cool for the Mariners. If not for aesthetics, for rarity.
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All right Rob... I stand corrected. That pennant is pretty cool. Is that one yours?
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No...It sold about a week ago on ebay for $82. I was watching it but was in my "sell" phase so didn't see the point in chasing it. :rolleyes:
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I think I would hurt myself just trying to take this stance! Trench’s generic lefty hitter, on the other hand, has a sweet stroke...
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Would you leave your young child alone with this pennant?
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These are pretty funny, Greg. Do you have the creepy light blue Quaker/Puritan Phillies pennant? If so, can you post a picture? I almost bought one a few years ago because it was so unusual, but I didn't save a picture.
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Nah don’t have it and can’t find a picture. I think Google flagged it for being too offensive. :)
This one also makes my eyes bleed. The Giant is about 90% legs! |
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I found the Phillies pennant. Different company, right? (because of the tassels).
He actually doesn't look very creepy compared to the others. |
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Attached are a few Detroit Free Press clippings I obtained. I believe some of these were listed before? Although I don’t have advertisements listing all NL pennants, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Brooklyn are all references which leads me to believe these and other NL teams were likely produced (or were intended to be). They also reference the ‘two color shaded letters’ and ‘two-colored strings’. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...d3f38ca3e4.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...baabdbe2db.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e56af397ac.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...350ef9e5cd.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1c21ba5c48.jpg |
Holy smokes, Erik! Where on earth did you unearth all these vintage ads?
Well, you just made some pennant owner out there enormously happy because their ca. 1913 "BROOKLYN" travel/souvenir pennant is now proven beyond any doubt to be a baseball pennant. They may owe you dinner :) |
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Great stuff Erik!
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It would be cool to go to a Detroit library and look up 1913 Detroit Free Press publications (Sunday edition) on microfilm. Heck, maybe this stuff is all digital and online now? Greg and Marc, do you work for Universities and know how the average Joe can look into this sort of thing? |
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Scarce-1913...AAAOSwLdtepJmx This is definitely from the set, and would go very nicely with those ads, Erik ;) ps. I have no affiliation with the pennant or the seller. Just trying to add some value! |
Here's another...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1913-D...EAAOSw-oRepJq7 Reversed color scheme, but priced quite a bit higher. This Detroit version definitely surfaces more than the others. Was hoping a few other teams would eventually turn up after the sale of the complete A.L. Set. But it's looking like the winning bidder wanted to keep the set in tact, rather than piece it out. |
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Interesting to note that only the latter variant bears the "Detroit Free Press" label on the reverse. I agree, however, that both are likely from the same promo set.
This inconsistency adds a minor wrinkle into things as the provenance isn't going to be quite 100% without that label. (Although I'll happily accept a "BROOKLYN" pennant without one!) |
That eBay seller Vintagebaseballco has some great older Tigers pennants and memorabilia! Over the years I've purchased a few nice items off of him.
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Agree... High quality stuff, and at least half a dozen examples I'd love to have.
But most of it looks to be at least 25% above market value (even to someone who consistently overpays like me :rolleyes: ) |
He's selling a 1935 Tigers Champions pennant. INCREDIBLE quality!
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By the way, I posted some new content earlier this month on each of the below sites. I think some of you will enjoy it....
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I know you guys run in the high end, vintage pennant market, but was wondering if you could help me on a cheap, modern one. I started in on MLB All Star Game pennants a while back to match my run of programs and buttons. Figured I’d start on the cheap end and work back to give me something to do. Is there a reason why I’ve never seen a 2012 Kansas City All Star pennant. I couldn’t bring one up in a search anywhere which I thought was odd...? Any help would be appreciated!
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BTW, others do, but I don't "run in the high end." I run in the slums. |
Ha! My apologies, Rob. Though, I've seen some of your stuff and you "slum" it like no one I've ever seen before!
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I don't know why that would be. Seems odd that Google wouldn't have a single image of one. I don't really follow any pennants made after 1970, so can't be of much help here. Is there any chance that a pennant was never made for this game? |
Well that's what I wondered, Mark. Seems strange that they would just not produce one for 2012. They have them for every other year I think for at least the last 60, including a 2020 game that never happened. Hard to figure!
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Will be moving back to Thailand soon so had a bunch of pennants framed as I have very cheap and good framer here
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You had far better luck than I did, Rob! So they do exist at least. Now to find one. Thanks for tracking those down.
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That Calgary hockey pennant is awesome.
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Mini pennants can’t hold a candle to full size pennants in terms of artistic value or content, but they do take up a lot less wall space.
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Enticing ebay offering... make sure you scroll all the way down.
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Seriously, my wife has always referred to this website as "nerd porn". I hate to admit that this finally serves as proof! |
Seller (who seems like a decent guy) is insisting that this pennant is not a repro, I can spot it from a mile away. Anyone think I’m crazy?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-St-...feQNM&LH_BIN=1 |
Sure looks like those Mitchell and Ness tassels, too close to the middle
Although it does have the Sports Service (or whatever it is called) baseball at the bottom. Not sure if I have seen that on a Mitchell and Ness. |
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I agree 100% repro. Also, the colors are wrong in the bird and the “years” are a tell tale sign.
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New acquisition ... the Yankees pennant. Common design of course but the condition is virtually perfect and the colors really striking. Hard to find a stadium pennant where the grass is actually green ... seems like you only see it elsewhere in Comiskey/Sox Park pennants. I guess the green paint faded easily?
Additionally this pennant is 100% cloth, including spine and tassels. The LA Dodgers pennant (which I’ve had) is similar. They seem to be better quality, double stitched like Keezer so that the threads and tassels don’t come lose. So I wonder if this Trench or a well made knockoff. |
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The felt looks to be way too soft/plush to be the original. It's also super clean. And, I'm not aware of Trench ever making any commemorative pennants, such as this, for a former ballpark. That's a Mitchell and Ness thing for a modern-day consumer. I can't tell for sure but I'll bet you the graphics are flocked.... |
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Since vintage pennants have dried up, it's near-impossible to acquire new ones. So I have been upgrading some of my old "Stadium" Pennants. The grass on many of them typically faded to pale yellow over the years, so finding those green ones is a real treat. I just recently found my favorite version (Mr. Red over Crosley Field), but it's hung up in "Postal Hell" right now. Separate note... I do believe your Uncle Sam Yankees is a knockoff (and not Trench). The tassels are clearly different, as is the artwork. When you put them side by side, it's very clear. |
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I wonder if this is the Reds pennant you’re waiting on? One of my favorites, even if Crosley is just one big gray blotch. |
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Yes you're right, Greg...
Those two Yankees pennants are much closer than I had remembered. It's the difference in the paint they used, more so than the design. The Trench knockoffs lean more towards an opaque "neon" quality than the deeper, more traditional paint used by Trench. And Trench had a higher quality screening process. The Trench graphics have superior definition and the registration is much more crisp and well-defined, with less bleeding. Some examples of same design/different paint/inferior screening below... In the Pirates example, the Forbes Field artwork is identical (although AdFlag changed the Pirate quite a bit- note his body, arms and hands are identical, but the head is different). And note AdFlag's blurry face, mound and foul lines. In the Reds example, AdFlag copied both Crosley Field and Mr. Red verbatim. You'd think there would be legal consequences, but perhaps the intellectual property laws were different back then. And note how much more precise / better defined the face and stadium are in the Trench version. |
On second look, I do see one difference in the AdFlag Reds Pennant.... The puff of smoke at the end of the bat is bigger.
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https://pennantfever.weebly.com/blog...torm-interview |
Great article, Kyle....
It's interesting that Mr. Storm had so little reverence for the actual product they manufactured. Seems almost unthinkable that he was solely focused on profits, to the point that he cared so little for the product itself. Obviously he was 100% businessman, and 0% collector. The CEOs of today routinely tout and purport to love the products that their companies put out. It's also amazing that he said Trench employed only two artists, and pretty much downplayed their work, to the point of just tracing photographs. It's a shame that he could not come up with either of the artists' names, as their work was so well executed, and was such an influential part of so many childhoods. Anyway, I learned a lot, and really appreciate the time and effort you put into gathering this information (which would otherwise be lost to time and undocumented). Great job as always! |
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Awesome article, Kyle! I also enjoyed the previous musings of the heavy hitters :p
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Glad you all enjoyed that piece. Mr. Storm is a terrific guy and we should all be grateful that he took the time to share his insight with us.
Of course, the collector in me was a bit surprised (disappointed?) to hear how little he valued the products his company made--and especially the work that went into making them. I simply wasn't expecting that. BUT, if you're a businessman, then your business is staying in business; and that means you have to be willing to look at your operation in a critical, objective, and emotionally discharged fashion. He also had 300 employees to think about. They depended upon him to make difficult business decisions that would keep the plant running, and their paychecks coming. I really couldn't fault the guy for putting the business ahead of all other concerns. Had he continued making pennants the old fashion way, Trench would have likely folded by the 1980s, as plenty of other pennant makers had. Anyway, I appreciate the positive feedback. I'm happy I could share his story with you all. |
Good points Kyle...
I wonder what Mr. Storm thinks of Mitchell & Ness knocking off so many of his classic pennants. Perhaps he's not even aware of it, since he's not a collector... But it certainly is a testament to his company's legacy and their contribution to the hobby. |
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All right... we need a confession here.
Who got the seller of the oversized teens Pirates pennant to end his auction and sell it outright? That was the best pennant to hit eBay in a loooong time. :mad: |
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Translation: I didn't offer $1250. LOL |
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