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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Peter,<br /><br />I don't think 3D cards like K-Kards are covered under the guarantee.

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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>Can a 3D crack whilst in a slab?

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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>Tom,<br />Not a problem with me but its statements like that (Im sure others are reading it like I did) on a public forum that can tend to get one in a lawsuit. You might want to be a little more careful with how you worded your statement. Just for the record it isnt that clear as you put it.

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Al S said:<br /><br />"Tom,<br /><br />Not really knowing you or many of these other people you just made a statement that Kevin "fixed" a card for a client. In all due respect you should back that up with some real facts because a statement like that can ruin a persons reputation."<br /><br />Al, <br /><br />You ask a legitimate question, and very neutrally posed. I had missed this post the first time through.<br /><br /><br />Tom P,<br /><br />I don't know you from Adam, really, so I definitely have no pre-conceived idea of you nor any reason to be aggressive or not aggressive. But I have to say that when I re-read your post (I was screaming through the thread the first time) it is hard not to take it as a suggestion that Kevin altered a card at Jim's request. <br /><br />It may not be what you meant, but it's a fair reading the way it was written.<br /><br />J<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>&lt;&lt;Can a 3D crack whilst in a slab? &gt;&gt;<br /><br />I have read that it isn't uncommon with Kellogg's. The topic used to be front & center on CU. Zardoz, you still with us on this train wreck?

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />I guess you consider all of your pre-war cards to be what I meant when I said "the era most collectors are into here". But most collectors here collect pre-1920. Play Balls and Goudey's are new stuff to most hard core members on N54. That's what makes N54 so unique.<br /><br />That said, I don't consider your collecting interests to be all that relevant to the majority of people here. My collecting interests fit right in.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Keith,<br /><br />I was not going to do that. I would send you a personal e-mail.<br /><br />When I sent you an e-mail on it I believe you apologized and said it was out of character and the only time you did it.

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Al and Joann,<br /><br />Fair enough. If it wasn't clear at first hopefully it's clear now. If not, people know where to find me. I'm really not scared. Sorry.<br /><br />Tom <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>"-only because the three letter word people who never post are coming over and following instructions. If you call off the wolves and they stop attacking then why would I mention them."<br /><br />Jim, you and I have had this discussion before. You really have to stop believing everything that people tell you in emails and PMs. Some of it may be true, but a great deal of it is just folks having fun with you because they know you'll buy whatever they tell you as gospel. I don't even remember what it was about, but we were talking about some thread that had been "leaked" to you in a wholly inaccurate light. Regardless of what your agenda is and how you feel it is justified, don't you understand that there are some people out there that know they can jerk you around like a puppet by whispering in your ear? They've got you running seven ways to Sunday. Don't you ever look down and ask yourself how the heck did I get here? Why don't you just start accepting as fact only those things you have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE OF and stop relying on the sometimes vicious rumors perpetrated by others?<br /><br />I think if you could actually do that, a lot of train-wreck watchers will be very disappointed.<br /><br />Just a thought.

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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>Joann,<br />Thankyou . Tom that is what I was talking about. Other people see the same thing that I was trying to point out to you . Like I said I dont know you and I only know of Kevins reputation in dealing with helping others detect "problem cards" . But again unless you have some real proof that that card was "worked on" I would suggest that you back it up with fact. Im all ears and Im sure others are also.

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Front row, center for this catastrophe of biblical proportions. Great entertainment and the ticket was free!<br /><br />Re: K-type cards. Yep, they can crack, albeit rarely, in the slab. I've had it happen twice out of the "few" that have gone through my hands over the years.

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Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>Are there any CU threads linking up to this one yet?<br /><br />Just wondering, because I think we need a few more people over here, plus it sure is nice to be able to flip from message board to message board so quickly! Although, lately the two boards look and sound so identical ... it's hard to remember which one I'm on.<br /><br />Jim, I'm glad to see you're still "Winning Friends and Influencing People." Keep up the good work!<br /><br />By the way, all of the cards I ever sold you were trimmed. Also, now that you've met Kevin and seen firsthand how short he is ... don't you suspect that he may have been trimmed too? <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />I'd love to stay and play, as I haven't had a 'Lillo fix' in quite a while ... but I need to get some work done today.<br /><br />You guys play nice, and remember it's almost Thanksgiving ... so be gentle on The Turkey!<br /><br />Mike <br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Peter,<br /><br />3D's crack in slabs all of the time. That's why many registry people collecting them have turn away. They can be a very poor investment because of that issue.<br /><br />They really have to be stored in the right conditions regardless of being slabbed. And even than there is still risk.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Tom, <br /><br />Disagree--<br /><br />I have 300 or so T206s and M116s--lots of goudeys, some old judges, allen & ginters, cracker jacks, ramlys, american caramel. Stated focus is pre WW2 baseball.<br /><br />I thought you collected hockey cards which are not a focus of this board.

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Posted By: <b>Keith Conforti</b><p>Keith,<br /><br />I was not going to do that. I would send you a personal e-mail.<br /><br />When I sent you an e-mail on it I believe you apologized and said it was out of character and the only time you did it.<br /><br /><br />Jim, that's old news... no need to go back there as it's in the past and forgotten... nonetheless, post your favorite charity and I will make a donation... 'tis the season you know!

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Jim-<br /><br />At this point, please stop being the baffoon here. This has gone way overboard and it would be best just to put a stop to the bickering your doing with 20 different people at once.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Finished that HOF rookie set 2 years ago and came back to baseball full steam since than. Hockey was just a short change from the baseball I have collected my entire life.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Keith,<br /><br />That is very generous of you.<br /><br />Now I will be equally generous--I will make a $100 gift to the operating expenses of LTS or if the president(head moderator) of LTS directs me to do so make a $100 donation to the charity of his choice. To fit into my plans I will send the check out during the holidays.<br /><br />Jim<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>I can't believe I am thinking this but it might be time for another great Peter C thread. How about if you had a pet which vintage player would you name him after and why? On the other hand another 300 posts of hair pulling and eye gouging would also be cool. <br /><br />Greg

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Yikes! Thank God for this thread! It is rainy where i am and I have no work today. This has been a very entertaining thread.<br /><br /><br />In my lame attempt on keeping on topic? I too will donate 100.00 to a charity.<br /><br />Steve<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>This is why grading is a joke. "You can't be serious. PSA and SGC will disagree if a card is altered. Heck, I have had a grading company disagree with itself. Send it in once its altered--send it in again its an 8."<br />

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>of course if there were no PSA or SGC, every trimmed card would be Near Mint, just like the good old days, right Dan?

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Actually the good old days didn't have "trimmed" cards as the value was so low that thieves had no reason to trim. So I think you are thinking of the late 1980s to early 1990s which were not the good old days. 1960s and 70s, that was the good old days!

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>when did Lionel Carter get his trimmed T and E cards? I thought he got them in the 40s and 50s.

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Also, the collectors knew what they were collecting unlike many newbe's today, we didn't need some high school kid to tell us what card we have and what condition it is in.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Greg,<br /><br />How about this for a thread, if you were going to buy a dog, which pre-war player would it resemble?<br /><br />Actually, I'm pretty impressed with this thread, I don't remember us staying on point for this many posts. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter C.

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Posted By: <b>Kevin Saucier</b><p>For those who care, the website is live (except the gallery).<br /><br /><br /><br />"Also, now that you've met Kevin and seen firsthand how short he is ... don't you suspect that he may have been trimmed too?"<br /> <br /><br />- not cool. I think of myself as micro-trimmed and maybe a little altered. I'm mentally exhausted, I think I need to soak.<br /><br /><br /><br />Kevin

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Lionel's cards were trimmed back then for reasons other than deceipt. They were trimmed to fit into something or for a different appearance. Any idiot can see they are trimmed. Can you tell they are trimmed?<br><br> also they were worth the same value trimmed or not back then. You collected a card to have it or to complete a set. Not to resell it a few hours later for double the money. Yes, I miss the good old days. I can't collect any of the E sets now as they are too expensive, and to think how many dad sold so that we could complete our Topps and Bowman sets! Ouch!

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Well--the website is up.<br /><br />Interesting commwents by Rob Lifson<br /><br />"the fact is card alteration is (an) epidemic"<br />"the problem is that there is not ten Kevin Saucier's out there"<br /><br />www.alteredcards.com<br />Good luck Kevin and speaking for the hobby a heartfelt thanks!<br /><br />Jim<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Jim, instead of "speaking for the hobby" please just speak for yourself. You've done enough for the "hobby".

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Dave,<br /><br />You're right but I want to do more.<br /><br />I stick with my original comments.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Kevin,<br /><br />Keep us informed about your business plans. Good luck. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter C.

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>dah, found it in your post Jim. Ignore my email, thanks Dan.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Kevin,<br /><br />The introduction on your front page was well-written. But don't you think you may upset some of the grading companies? To say that up to 15% of the vintage cards were inaccurately graded by them, is basically saying that they did a sloppy job 15% of the time.<br /><br />Peter C.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Peter C.,<br /><br />If you've yet to notice...Jim Crandell is keeping us completely informed of Kevin's affairs. At this point we pretty much know everything except what shampoo Kevin uses. But I'm sure Jim will chime in with that too sooner or later.<br /><br />Dave

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Naaa Peter C.,<br /><br />Don't stop them. They got it all figured out. Thank God we can all sleep easy tonight knowing the hobby is changed forever.<br /><br />FINALLY!!! What a landmark day!!!! If we only had 10 more Jim's to go with the 10 Kevin's we'd be able to stop illegal drugs in baseball too!!<br /><br />Hip hip hooorayyyy!!!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>If it is only 15% that are not graded accurately that still means they are right 85 times out of 100. As a baseball player you could make a pretty good living however as a brain surgeon you might not do so well. <br /><br />I am wondering what the sample size is. I might even say the number is higher than 15% considering all grading companies. SGC certainly would tilt the scale to a much lower percentage whereas some of the other companies might not do so well. <br /><br />If I go look through some of the photos of cards from some of the top PSA registered sets, I would not be comfortable taking a card out of many of those holders and expect it to grade anything more than AUTHENTIC. Granted that is based on a photo of a card inside of the holder but I would not want to own those cards. Would rather have the EX and lower material in my collection. There are some mighty small cards that appear to not have a single 90 degree angle corner. Optical illusion?? <br /><br />Greg

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Dave,<br /><br />Head & Shoulders

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>he may know more than an SGC grader--he may know less--not sure.<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Being on a par with the top graders at PSA and SGC would be pretty good in my book.

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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>According to your quote on his site, Kevin is top 3 in the world. Are the other 2 split evenly between PSA and SGC?

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Really Jim? Being on Par with Top PSA and SGC is okay with you?<br /><br />Would Kevin's opinion just be redundant than?<br /><br />At least PSA and SGC back up their opinions with a financial guarantee. Where's Kevin's guarantee? Without it you might as well pay my 3 year old for his opinion. Afterall, his opinion and Kevin's opinion will protect your investment for the same amount. Zero.<br /><br />I'm not ripping Kevin as much as I'm saying he needs that guarantee to be taken seriously. Many have said that on this thread.

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>My favorite is the Baker testimonial:<br /><br />................................<br />Mike Baker - Global Authentication Inc. (GAI), considered by many to be one of the world's best graders, having authenticated 48 of the top 50 most valuable cards in the hobby: <br /><br />"Kevin is a true expert in card alterting and identifing doctored cards. His alterations are some the best I have ever seen and amaze me each time. He is always developing new skills and techniques that were previously unheard of. His willingness to share this type of information is rare and a benefit to the hobby. One can never know enough and what I have learned and continue to learn from Kevin has sharpened my skills as an authenticator which is then passed on to my clients."<br />................................<br /><br /><br />Oh yeah. I want to hire GAI now.<br /><br />That quote is bad for business. It's bad for the grading industry.

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Posted By: <b>eeyour smith</b><p>Actually it is important who you are as you won't be posting in this thread anonymously...go find another board where it's allowed or put your name by your post...nothing personal (moderator)

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Actually, it is important who you are because you can't post anonymously on this kind of thread. There are board rules.

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Don't know about any of you but if I were a collector I would prefer to know that Kevin was putting forth great effort at making a living with his endeavor and ability to alter cards so well by educating the public or grading companies. By his own admission he does not feel his site is going to generate much revenue beyond paying for his gas. Is he just being modest? Sorry to be skeptical but if you are so good at counting cards in Black Jack do you stay away from the table and work 9 to 5 for $35K a year, for example? <br /><br />Greg

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Posted By: <b>David Davis</b><p>The people who read this board are privy to the beginnings of Kevin's venture. An outsider reading it now, or a year from now, could infer that Kevin has looked at all of Jim's cards.<br /><br />I think it would remove all doubt if Kevin indicated on his web site that none of Jim's 25,000 cards have been inspected by him. <br /><br />This referes to the quote from Jim on Kevin's web site - edited to add this line.<br />

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Posted By: <b>John J. Grillo</b><p>Don't know where to start other than to say Jim C is out to destroy our hobby whether intentional or not. I could go on and on...15%?...who threw that # out of their a--? I doubt the # is even close to 15%, and out of that # most of these alterations would be trimmed cards. So how in the heck can you detect a trimmed card inside of a slab? Apply some common sense here folks...yes, there are some alterations, but altering an already expensive card can be a risky venture. Trimming a card is more safer from an economical point of view (cheater's viewpoint). I only have a few high dollar cards but I would never even consider sending one of my slabs for this type of service. Gen Patton had a saying..."never pay for the same real estate twice."<br /><br />MW's comment about a financial guarantee is spot on, but it's a moot point anyway as the whole concept doesn't make sense.<br /><br />Kevin: if you want my recommendation, apply for a job as a card grader with PSA or SGC for 6 months or so. Learn more about your craft from a grader's point of view...you have as much to learn from them as they from you. After you develop your expertise even further, consider starting your own grading company. Even if it is small at first and it's part time. Nothing wrong with another reputable grading company...hell, it can even be a high end company if you wish for high $$$ cards...This type of service I would consider. I wish you the best. I think you are associating yourself with others who couldn't care less about you and only have their self-serving interests at heart.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Kevin, Peter C's point is well taken. It would be scary if you angered the grading companies. Perhaps a couple of smiley faces on your home page will soothe them.

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>After all this, I'm ready for a Peter Chao thread discussing his observations on the breeding habits of snowmen.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Man...you guys keep giving me all these great ideas for threads. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter C.

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Paul,<br /><br />Peter does not know anything about breeding, does he? <br /><br />Greg

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>simply explained paul, it's called getting a piece of Ice.

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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>You guys are really asking for it now! It will be a barrage of smiley faced snowmen for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Yeah come to think of it. I have not seen so many smiley faces since Hal was posting. Maybe there is a connection between being a lawyer and the use of smiley faces. Jeff L or Peter S...Would you please care to explain?

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Hmmmmmm<br /><br />Of course, snowomen are frigid, so why are the males smiling?<br /><br />I shall await Peter C's imput on the matter. If anyone can solve this mystery, it's him.

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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>Paul,<br />your right ask peter to go on this important mission! To OZ!! To OZ!! Were off to see the wizzard.........

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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>Hey Greg. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />Who knows? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />Maybe we are all emulating Hal. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>"Any idiot can see they are trimmed. Can you tell they are trimmed?"<br /><br />Some, not all. Don't call me an idiot.

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Posted By: <b>eeyour smith</b><p>Leon,<br />My name is posted ....admired your board due to the freedom of speech,knowledge, and how you dont sweep issues under the rug.<br />Eeyour

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Posted By: <b>Jerry Hrechka</b><p> IMHO Let's get back to talking about cards. On the Non-Sports side we a have a "TAKE A PENNY, LEAVE A PENNY" box circulating. Just pure trading for the fun of collecting. That's what this hobby should be.<br /> Some how $$$$ signs have become more important than the sheer joy of handling our small card board tresures. <br /> We have SGC, PSA, GAI, BVG passing judgement on our cards. That's still not good enough. This thread has discussed that another judge has cognitive powers superior to the listed grading companies and that his opinions should trump those of the established grading companies.<br /> So who finally becomes the "GRAND HIGH EXALTED MYSTIC GRADER" whose judgement is universally accepted by everyone?<br /> Lighten up and stop chasing those $$$$ signs. Cards are only small pieces of flammable cardboard.

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Thanks Jerry, someone needed to say it.<br />Happy Thanksgiving Day to all my fellow collectors.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Jerry,<br /><br />You are welcome to your opinion but you are completely misrepresenting what is going on here. Some people want to talk about leave a penny take a penny some want to talk about issues--either way if its vintage cards its all good. Some like to use Thanksgiving day to criticise other posters--and that is not good.

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>Thanks to all who bumped this thread from oblivion. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>