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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>eager to see the EPDG, Ted.<br />many thanks for all the efforts.<br /><br />Come on t206 Scholars, let's see the Hindus for these cards!!<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />Barry

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Posted By: <b>Drew</b><p>I have Donlin(fielding) with a Hindu back.<br /><br><br>Drew

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Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>I own 4 with Hindu<br />G. Browm<br />M. Brown<br />Burch<br />Powers

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p> 150-only cards with HINDU backs <br /><br />Thanks Drew and Jim for your inputs, they are duly noted here.<br /><br />I came across a Burch (batting) T206 with a brown HINDU back. There aren't too<br />many of these 150-only cards with HINDU backs....in fact they are "scarcer than<br />hen's teeth".<br />Here again is the list of the 9 cards in the set that are 150-only, which can pos-<br />sibly be found with HINDU backs....<br /><br />150-only card................HINDU<br /><br />Geo.Brown (Chicago).........2<br /><br />M.Brown (Cubs)................2<br /><br />Burch (batting).................2<br /><br />Donlin (fldg).....................2<br /><br />Evers (blue sky)................1<br /><br />Pattee.............................0<br /><br />Pelty (horiz).....................1<br /><br />Powers............................2<br /><br />Reulbach (Cubs)................2<br /><br /><br /><br />Check your cards again and let's have your inputs....but, I do not expect too many<br />....as I said they are very scarce. <br />

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Posted By: <b>Mike (18colt)</b><p>I only have one 150-only with a Hindu back -- Donlin fielding.<br /><br />Mike (18colt)

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Posted By: <b>NickM</b><p>My small (less than a dozen) collection of T-206's has 1 EPDG back - Miller. Everything else is a Piedmont or Sweet Caporal common back.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>UPDATED 7/27/06<br /><br />I'm leaving for Cooperstown and will be back Aug 1st.....so, don't stop providing<br />your inputs on this subject. It has come to my attention that there are also very<br /> rare, but nevertheless, possible EPDG backs in this group of cards.<br /><br />Check-out your T206's for HINDU or EPDG backs on these 9 cards. <br /><br />I came across a Burch (batting) T206 with a brown HINDU back. There aren't too<br />many of these 150-only cards with HINDU backs....in fact they are "scarcer than<br />hen's teeth".<br />Here again is the list of the 9 cards in the set that are 150-only, which can pos-<br />sibly be found with HINDU backs.....and perhaps an EPDG.<br /><br />150-only card................HINDU........EPDG<br /><br />Geo.Brown (Chicago).........2<br /><br />M.Brown (Cubs-Throw)......2<br /><br />Burch (batting).................2<br /><br />Donlin (fldg).....................3<br /><br />Evers (blue sky)................1<br /><br />Pattee.............................0<br /><br />Pelty (horiz).....................1<br /><br />Powers............................2<br /><br />Reulbach (Cubs)................2<br /><br /><br /><br />Have fun at the National, guys.<br /><br />T-Rex Ted<br /> <br />

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>okay... since this post now has over 300 replies --- I don't want to be left out. <br />My results won't really help the scientific survey - because I used to exclusively buy Polar Bears....<br /><br />but I have only owned one EPDG.<br /><br />Jennings Portrait (still have it)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bill K</b><p>Ted, i'm not sure if the Brown you are looking for is the Portrait variation or not. Let me know if this helps!<br /><br /><br />Bill<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Bill K.<br /><br />The M. Brown card we are interested in is his Throwing pose with Cubs on his shirt.<br /><br />Sorry, if I was not clear on this.<br /><br />And, thanks for your input.<br /><br />Ted Z

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Posted By: <b>Gary Nuchereno</b><p>I have one EPDG from my set(No big three)(yet) It is Groom.<br />I concur with the listing of cards that are found on 150 only<br />Was there any more info you are looking for to help in your <br />research. At one time I had two sets of T206 and as I sold off the 2nd set years ago I also sold many of the tougher and rarer backs as I was content to just have the set and I was<br />using the money for other purchases.

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>This has become a thread much beyond its original topic...

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Point well taken , Frank.<br /><br />I prefer to see the various discussions coming under a general research rubric dealing with difficult T206 backs. I think that the various topics<br />have ,minimally, an interstitial connection (more in the medical sense than<br />in the journalistic sense), whether we're dealing with EPDG,Hindu,Piedmont <br />150 only, the 150-350 progression,etc.<br />Even the Ritchey discussion,though ostensibly an excursus, did much to <br />illuminate the 150-350 progression issue.<br />I guess, for me, the bottom line has been a profound appreciation for the wealth of Backs research and<br />the exceptional collegiality.<br /><br />Now, hurry back from Cooperstown, TRex and update the data page. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />Barry <br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Updated 8/1/06<br /><br />150-only card................HINDU........EPDG<br /><br />Geo.Brown (Chicago).........2<br /><br />M.Brown (Cubs-Throw)......2<br /><br />Burch (batting).................2<br /><br />Donlin (fldg).....................3<br /><br />Evers (blue sky)................1<br /><br />Pattee.............................1<br /><br />Pelty (horiz).....................1<br /><br />Powers............................3<br /><br />Reulbach (Cubs)................2

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Frank W.<br /><br />Yes, it has.....but that has been a good thing. This Thread started digressing (or<br /> better yet, expanding) to other backs very early when I first responded with my<br />Carl Lundgren (Cubs) with an EPDG back.<br /><br />That very input was the spark which ignited a "nuclear fission" of responses to this<br />Thread. And, given the nature of the T206 set with all it's front/back permutations,<br />I am not in the least surprised that Barry's original topic has grown to this level.<br /><br />Perhaps, each subset of topics should have been the subjects of new Threads. In<br /> any event, here we are and I think Barry and I should consider posting a new thread<br /> that summarizes all the noteworthy facts that have resulted in this "monster" thread.<br /><br />T-Rex Ted

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>great idea, TRex.<br />but first, any luck finding the epdg you mentioned on the July 25th entry.<br /><br />it sounds like quite a find!!!<br /><br />best,<br /><br />Barry

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Gents,<br /><br />There is a nice Lindaman Piedmont 350 on ebay right now.<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T206-VIVE-LINDAMAN-PSA-VG-EX-4_W0QQitemZ230014107136QQihZ013QQcategoryZ31718QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T206-VIVE-LINDAMAN-PSA-VG-EX-4_W0QQitemZ230014107136QQihZ013QQcategoryZ31718QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a> <br /><br />Scratch him from the potential 150-onlys.<br /><br />That leaves just Ames (HAC), Doyle (Throwing), Ewing and Schulte (Front View) in my book.<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Scot,<br /> You beat me to Lindy..... Guess we can't bid though, Ted will need this for his set. Be well Brian

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Great going Scot....and Brian, you're "darn tootin right"....my bid is in already.<br /><br />Ebay is amazing.....sooner or later, even the "toughies" will show up.<br /><br />Ted Z

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>great eye!<br /><br />or eyes, i should say. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />i'm rootin' for you, TRex<br /><br />barry<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Brian W.<br /><br />Here goes another digression.......have you ever noticed the difference in the<br /> sky/clouds effect on McQuillan (throwing) cards as a function of 150 vs 350 ?<br /><br />My P150 has a light blue sky with just a subtle hint of clouds. Now check out<br />the sky/cloud effect on this SC350 one on ebay.....<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T206-GEORGE-MCQUILLAN-BALL-IN-HAND-PSA-VG-EX-4_W0QQitemZ230014104098QQihZ013QQcategoryZ31718QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T206-GEORGE-MCQUILLAN-BALL-IN-HAND-PSA-VG-EX-4_W0QQitemZ230014104098QQihZ013QQcategoryZ31718QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a><br /><br />It does remind us of the Ritchey phenomena.<br /><br />T-Rex Ted

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>hi trex<br /><br />can't believe we two dinosaurs are still up doing the research! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />i just checked my Mcquillan (ball in hand) Piedmont 350 and the clouds<br />are clearly delineated and vibrantly white---like the one you suggest looking<br />at on ebay.<br />it's very reminiscent of the ritchey discussion---<br />sure continues to clarify the 150-350 progression issue.<br />whatcha think, brian?<br /><br />going to bed. but will be back doing the research in the morning!<br /><br />best,<br />barry

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted, and Barry,<br /> Yes, I have checked the clouds on the McQuillian card, but upon further observation, I didn't see as big of a difference from series to series. There are other cards with differences too, but I've got to goo to work. later Brian

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Barry.....Brian.....Scot<br /><br />Given enough time, we will we see Piedmont 350 backs for Ames, Doyle and Ewing ?<br /><br />It's been 2 full months and 600+ inputs (which in effect reflect many 1000's of T206's<br /> in members' collections) and these three cards are still hanging in there as possible<br /> "150-only" candidates.<br /><br />Barry<br /><br />Also....gone un-noticed, your Thread has now exceeded the "infamous" Barry Bonds'<br /> one.<br />And amazingly, this was achieved without any of the usual "war-ring factions" bet-<br />ween members....that escalate other Threads to this level of responses.<br /><br />It's a credit to all the members of this Forum that participated in this exercise.<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Trex<br /><br />many thanks for the highly astute and kind words.<br /><br />i say let's keep researching 'til we find the answer re: ames,doyle, and ewing!!! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />the recent Lindaman find demands it!<br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />barry

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Ted,<br />Ewing is the one I'm most holding out hope for as a 150-only. There was an earlier poster who thought he recalled having Doyle (Throwing) in 350 and I have a faint recollection (though could be my memory tricking me) of having seen Ames (HAC) in 350 a few years back. Still, I'm not giving up on any of these three--or Schulte (Front View)--absent hard proof of existence with 350. To me that means a scan. Another interesting issue is how many 150/350 subjects exist with Piedmont 350 and no other 350 back. I suspect this is true of many. Care to start a new 400-post thread? <br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>I have a G, Brown with a Hindu back.<br /><br />The Ewing is interesting in the fact that there are EPDG backs but appear to have no other backs in the 350s. Did we do a tracking of the Ewing card? What was the latest count?<br /><br />Lee

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader (ebay: sreader3)</b><p><br />Lee,<br /><br />From Ted's July 18 post:<br /><br />PLAYER.................350........HINDU.......EPD G..........150<br /><br />Ewing....................0............2.......... 3...........28<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Speaking about our "little ole buddy"....Wildfire Schulte<br /><br />You have to check this out.....a PSA Schulte (Cubs) has a BIN of $2000. Where do<br />these crazy prices end ? There is no limit. Now let us see if someone will buy or bid<br /> on this card ? Incidently, it is incorrectly identified with a Piedmont back.<br /><br />Lee and Scot<br /><br />YES.....the Ewing card appears to defy "the rule of thumb"....that EPDG cards must<br />also have been issued in the 350 series. But, have we definitely proven this "law" ? <br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-1911-T206-WILDFIRE-SCHULTE-PSA-6-TOUGH-FRONT_W0QQitemZ330014051127QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3171 8QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-1911-T206-WILDFIRE-SCHULTE-PSA-6-TOUGH-FRONT_W0QQitemZ330014051127QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3171 8QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a>

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p> Hi Ted,<br /> Quit picking on my listing.... Even though you are right I did list the back as Piedmont instead of Sweet Cap. That's what happens when you get in a hurry. Besides, try finding this card in high grade, there are only 6 cards graded higher and I sold a 6 several months ago for 1100.00. <br /> I really don't want to sell the card, but needed to list a few items on dump day, so I threw Schulte in the bunch.<br /><br /> Be well Brian<br /><br />PS Thanks for helping me fix my listing error, but I'm hurt that you didn't know my EBAY Id after over 350 post on this thread......<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BRIAN W<br /><br />Very, very sorry.....the very last person I would want to offend is you. I just did<br /> not realize this was your ebay handle.....I guess I should be better informed.<br /><br />And, more power to you if you can get the big $$$ for this card. I am of the "old<br />school" (just like you) and can't fathom the big bucks that some of these higher<br />graded cards are bringing in, nowadays.<br /><br />I recently sold a Lajoie (port), GAI 5, for $800 and thought that was "crazy". So,<br />do not mind me. I think I still belong back in the "paleolithic era" when it comes<br /> to these modern day prices on Tobacco cards.<br /><br />Incidently, I've the same Schulte with a SC150 back in at least Ex condition (but<br />ungraded)....what can I get for it ?<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> I wasn't offended, but embarrassed for listing it with a Piedmont back instead of a Sweet Cap. Maybe I should have listed it as having a Piedmont 350 back and it would be sold by now.<br /><br /> Talk to you soon, you old Dinosaur. Be well Brian

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BRIAN W.<br /><br />You bring out a good point regarding certain 150 Series players that very infrequently<br /> appear with Piedmont 350-only backs (e.g..Durham, Jones, Lindaman, Lundgren, etc.).<br /> Actually, as our multiple surveys in this Thread indicate, these select P350 cards are<br /> quite rare.<br /><br />Therefore, are you suggesting that these cards (if they are accurately identified) are<br /> in a class of their own and indeed warrant a higher premium in their value ?<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Barry....Brian....Scot<br /><br />The last 21 posts have alternated between us four guys (with also one by Lee B.); so,<br /> I'm for one of us initiating a new Thread. Scot suggested I start a Piedmont 350-only<br /> survey for certain cards that were in the 150 Series. I like that idea and I'll initiate it. <br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>New Thread started on this Subject.<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>yeah, start a new thread and I'll start feeding bogus posts into the Bonds thread so it retake it's rightful place as the longest thread :-p<br /><br />Jay<br><br>A good friend will come bail you out of jail. A true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun."

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>sounds good Trex.<br />i've been out of town and just got in so will try to get back on the ball<br />by tomorrow.<br /><br />on to the new thread!!!!<br /><br />best,<br /><br />Barry

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Posted By: <b>Ed McCollum</b><p>Late getting in on this, but here is my breakdown of cards. None of the ones your looking for in terms of certain players with certain backs.<br /><br />American Beauty 350 Frame - 1<br />American Beauty 350 No Frame - 2<br />American Beauty 460 - 0<br />Broadleaf 350 - 1<br />Broadleaf 460 – 1<br />Carolina Brights - 1<br />Cycle 350 - 2<br />Cycle 460 - 0<br />Drum - 1<br />EPDG - 2<br />Hindu - 1<br />Lenox - 1<br />Old Mill - 3<br />Old Mill Southern - 3<br />Piedmont 150 Fac. 25 – 32<br />Piedmont 350- Fac. 25 – 47<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 – 8<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 - 0<br />Polar Bear - 12<br />Sovereign 150 - 3<br />Sovereign 350 - 6<br />Sovereign 460 - 1<br />Sweet Cap 150 Fac. 25 - 4<br />Sweet Cap 150 Fac. 30 - 12<br />Sweet Cap 150 Fac. 649 – 0<br />Sweet Cap 150 Fac. 649 OP Bar - 1<br />Sweet Cap 350 Fac. 25 - 4<br />Sweet Cap 350 Fac. 30 - 8<br />Sweet Cap 350-460 Fac. 25 - 0<br />Sweet Cap 350-460 Fac. 30 - 4<br />Sweet Cap 350-460 Fac. 42 - 4<br />Sweet Cap 350-460 Fac. 42 OP Scroll - 4<br />Tolstoi – 2<br />Uzit - 1<br /><br />Three more cards, but as most know, all my cards are beaters, and the backs are so damaged, I have no idea what pack they came from.

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>many thanks, ed.<br />nice variety of backs!<br /><br />your 2 epdg out of 170 plus 206's while a little more than our typical 1% or less figure is close enough to be corroborative methinks.<br /><br />Do take a look at Trex's new thread on 150/350 issue when you get a chance.<br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />Barry

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>I've only had time to scan this over the past weeks, finally will post my input.<br /><br />Out of 642 T206s, only one EPDG, Chance batting.<br /><br />I've responded to the 150/350 search on a separate thread (all 150s).<br /><br />I should mention that my original collection was passed down from a family who played baseball in Fredericksburg, VA in the right time. The four boys formed one collection. It consisted of 526 cards: 4 OM and the rest Piedmont Fac 25. <br /><br />So, out of the 116 cards I've purchased, there is 1 EPDG.

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Posted By: <b>;barry arnold</b><p>wow!<br />what a great family story and family collection!<br /><br />either way we tabulate ,you certainly corroborate the 1% or less we've found<br />pretty consistently with the EPDG's.<br /><br />thanks for responding to Ted's new thread as well.<br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />barry

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Posted By: <b>tdc</b><p>out of 388 psa graded I have only 4 EPDG.<br /><br />tdc

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>many thanks, tdc, for the information.<br />your 388 total to 4 epdg ratio falls in line with our 1% figure which has<br />proven to be pretty consistent throughout this thread's research.<br /><br />if you haven't done so already, please report any findings re:<br />seldom seen 206 backs on Ted Z.'s thread.<br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />Barry<br /><br />i see that you have responded to TRex, tdc; many thanks. B