Hi Bob,
I don't think I have ever seen a Cobb with a Turkey Red border either.
I do not have a Red Sun Cobb. I have seen a few most recently the Blue print on EBAY that recently sold for 16K. That would have fit nicely into the master set. The one on EBAY didn't have the fold line like most and was graded by SGC 84 NM.
best regards
Ron

Thanks Ron,

I'm wondering now if Cobb silks ever got released with Turkey Red backs with a border. I guess it is possible they did not after all. That is a shame. Let me know if ever even see one.

Also a shame you don't have a Red Sun backed Cobb, I sure thought you did. I saw the SGC84 NM one you were talking about just sold on Ebay a month or so ago. It was listed with a BIN of $18K I think, but looks like you're saying it went for a Best Offer of only $16K? There's only two Red Sun Cobbs listed on SGC's pop reports. The SGC84 NM one you and I have been talking about, and then there's an SGC30 GD I believe, that if memory serves, was sold by REA back in August of 2020. Have you ever seen a raw, ungraded Red Sun Cobb, or do you think the two graded by SGC are it?

Regardless, I can't believe that SGC84 NM Red Sun Cobb only went for a best offer of $16K then. That is one of the rarest early Cobbs there is, and is the highest graded of any S74-1 white silk in existence. I can't believe the silks are still doing this poorly against all the regular cards out there.

Anyway, I'm only aware of there being two Helmar backed Cobbs, your raw one and the SGC40 VG one listed on their pop reports. Curious if you've seen or even heard of another Helmar backed Cobb silk. I feel pretty confident those may be the only two Helmar Cobbs, but wouldn't be too shocked if there are some other Red Suns Cobbs out there in addition to the two graded by SGC. Let me know what you think.

All the best,
Bob

This one sold on ebay in 2016.
Attachment 496137

Thank you Pat! Definitely don't remember seeing that one up for sale. Wish I had though.

These silks are still so unappreciated by many collectors IMO, especially with the ad-backed white version silks. You have three separate and distinct ink colors used on the front images, and four different tobacco brands shown on the advertising backs, including two versions of the Turkey Red backs (with and without the border/frame), so you have five total advertising backs they come with. So there are a lot of variations to this set, somewhat along the lines of the T206 set with all its variations, just not as many. But there are some true rarities in the silks, including a precious few known proofs, that can blow away most anything in the T206 universe as far as how few examples of something are still known to exist.

And one of the great side benefits of the silks is there aren't likely going to be any fakes or reprints out there you have to worry about either.

Hi Bob,
On the Helmar backs Leon had the brown print, I have the red print and i believe the one graded is blue print. picture from Leon"s website. So it is possible to have all 3 different prints of Helmar.

To be clear those are from my previous collection...I own 1 of them now. (I realize you used past tense but for others)

Here is my only S74 currently.. It is the one from my previous collection.
https://luckeycards.com/s74camnitz.jpg
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Hey Ron,

I remember when Leon (Hi Leon!) used to post that picture, great silks. But I'm pretty sure that Leon's old brown ink Helmar-Cobb silk is the only graded one on SGC's pop report. I'm almost positive it was graded when sold with the rest of his collection through Heritage, back in 2017. That was why I was curious if you knew of any other Helmar-Cobbs besides yours and Leon's old one. I'm only aware of those two, in the brown and red/rust ink colors.

And still curious to see if there are more than two Red Sun-Cobbs in existence as well, in addition to the two of those on the SGC pop reports.

And on a sad note, most people must really not like the S-74 silks. Couple posts about them, and apparently it killed this rarest card thread. This was a great thread.

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1906 Sunday American flip-book

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...lip%20book.jpg

1871 Troy Haymakers

Well, this 1871 Troy Haymakers scorecard isn't quite old enough to be among the first BB cards; but, it sure is rare.
Ten scorecards were issued in 1871 - 1872 portraying players on this National Association team.

William "Clipper" Flynn (1871 - 1872)

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ipperflynn.jpg

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TED Z

T206 Reference
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Great piece and I love the advertising

I love T214

Ted, that is amazing. Regarding scorecards:

Here is a scorecard from Joe Jackson's last game in the minors with the New Orleans Pelicans (same team he plays for in his T210 card). The AH (not Lelands) said it was the only one they had seen.

Awesome T214 Bender. I literally just consigned one of the other know T214 Benders to Heritage (it will be in their March auction). T214s are so cool and so so tough

Great item!

Joe looks so happy to be posing, doesn't he? :D

Ryan

Thanks....and, so is your New Orleans Pelicans scorecard amazing.

Here is another 19th Century scorecard (circa 1890). Not as rare as the Troy scorecard; nevertheless, a very colorful one.



https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...0Scorecard.jpg


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...recard50xb.jpg



TED Z

T206 Reference
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Probably this. I also have a Plow Boy, but I think these are rarer.

That is beyond cool!!! Love the late 1800's cab cards. Thanks for showing.

I am amazed at the incredible cards and other items shown in this thread! I do not have any traditional cards that are considered rare, but here is a cool early stereoview. I am sure there are more examples of this team (I do not even know what team it is), but probably not too many.

Alan

Elysian Fields
 

1865 Currier & Ives lithograph of Elysian Fields where the first organized game of Baseball was played on June 19, 1846 in this ballpark in Hoboken, NJ.
This 90-year old copy of the original Currier & Ives Litho was replicated by the Sidney Z. Lucas Gallery in NYC (circa 1930). It's nearly impossible to find
original 1865 copies of this Currier & Ives print.
This picture (23" x 15" cardboard) is the decorative centerpiece in my office, surrounded by my various uncut sheets of BB and FB cards (1927 to 1961).


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...llArtworkZ.jpg



----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- v---- Henry Chadwick (Baseball Journalist)
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T206 Reference
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Is that flip book complete? That would be too cool to flip through it.

If you really want to drive collecting purist nuts, you can un-staple it and sell the individual pages. :eek:

Adam, very cool flipbook. Do you know is it the same images/pages used in the Winthrop postcard? It looks quite similar to me. Also, is there anything specific such as a copyright about it that definitively links it to 1906? Have you ever seen another one?

Andy, I'm with you!

There aren't any examples of this T214 in the pop reports:

Looks like this is the only Meyers Catching on either the PSA or SGC reports (although SGC has two Meyers cards listed with an unspecified pose).

Great Victory Val!

What a difference 100 plus years makes in our culture. These days it would be, "Digitally Impaired Brown".

Forgot this one:

Always nice to see a card I haven't seen before...thanks Brian.

Brian

Brian,

My pleasure.

Here is a 1 of 1.

https://luckeycards.com/t205dunn.jpg

Amazing cards everyone!

Spending Saturday morning looking at cards in the thread.

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This is one of one

Joeadcock, please show us the back of this card, 'cause that's where the excitement is!

SUPER-rare
 

Through all the baseball cards, I think the impulse buy of a lot of 1941 Superman Bread cards may be the most rare cards I own. I know of 1 complete set out there, and several one off cards, but of the 3 1940 issues, they turn up the least. Gum card are most prevalent, followed by leader novelty cards out of NYC, then the regional bread/radio Junior Defense League cards. If anyone has any, shoot me a DM, I'm trying to hunt them down!

Block and Kuhl super tough (pics too large)

Pack fresh Satch....(sans the Scotch tape! lol )
 

Val

Sorry, my card(Shotwell Dauss) is packed away for awhile. I only have the front on scan. Of interest, unless some new information is available, there have only been 3 total Baseball Shotwell cards that have surfaced. Other 2 being Babe Ruth and Jacobson.

There's one in the current REA, PSA 1.5. It will be interesting to see where it ends up. The marketing of it as "highest graded" is a bit of an irrelevancy given the SGC 80, but that's a nit I won't pick.

I used to live in Putnam County, NY, where the general held a command once.

Adam,
Coooool!
There is so much, un-tapped history; connecting Old Put, the General and our hobby; with the E98 back stamp; just another, of my dive projects.
And I've got a few, ....

Ben

"I love baseball history backstory; especially when it involves cards."

So happy to re-acquire this one, and even though I had to give up a nice card, my collecting tastes tilt this way.
I remember when I acquired it the first time. I am pretty sure I overvalued it by multiples ....not good when selling.

https://luckeycards.com/pe100type2weaver2.jpg

New information is available. I have this Foster Shotwell.

Glenn, your Shotwell is a beauty! Thanks for showing it. Hope to get one someday for my type collection.

Glenn
Nice card
That makes 4 so far

Maybe this one....

Here is a couple of weird rare ones of mine.. Pre and Post War.

1970 Topps Cloth Sticker... McNertney

1933 Goudey Premium Ruth (the Premium isn't that hard to find) but this comes with the Ad Banner

1976 Paul Linblad Spelling Error (Regular card spells it correctly Lindblad).

Ricky Y

Was that "Linblad" card released, or is it some sort of proof or something?

very nice! Don't recall seeing this one before...

I don't believe it was ever released. This one is blank backed.

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1906 NY Giants bottles
 

Here is the Matthewson bottle from the 6 bottle set, which i purchased in the Halper Sothebys auction. I have not seen any other examples of these. Thought they were really interesting, cool and unique and would display great. My wife had other ideas! Enjoy them nonetheless.

Wow!
 

Amazing! I'd bubble wrap that at all times! Hurts eye appeal but still.....

So coool!

:eek::cool:

Peace, Mike

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...oester-burkett

How rare. Don't know for sure, but I think it's a Koester Bread D383 hand cut from a promotional poster due to the thickness of the card stock.

Needless to say, I think it will remain in the family.

Frank.

"......I think it will remain in the family"

Right out of Antique Roadshow

very nice card BEN

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1939 R303-A Ted Williams rookie. Still needs to get slabbed.

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Rare Cards
 

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...borders-wagner

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image.../78547/ty-cobb

One of only several known (I guess), Salesman's samples of Tinker.
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Finally!

Not sure it's a Johnny Bench Card but...
 

I just bought a Johnny Bench Jamesway piece that I thought was kind of neat, but it seems to be an uncatalogued promo issue (the only good info I could find about it was in this forum). Not sure it can even really be considered a card, but it feels like a card more than just a photo, so I'm calling it a card! Similar or identical pictures were used in Shillito and Kenwood Plaza cards that were distributed at around the same time.

Long-time stalker, first-time poster by the way!

I have never seen another of these

This is an astounding thread; glad you guys revived it.

Howzabout some signed cards?

1921 Kamm, nice. Signed, rare.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...m%20signed.jpg

Paige Browns TI, tough. Signed, rare

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...Lipset%201.jpg

1923 W515 Dempsey signed, twice

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...y%20signed.png

Rush:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...bsize/Rush.jpg

Yeah, it ain't a card but...

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...tthead%202.gif

MCA RIP

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...0Boys%20PC.jpg

Nice.

1913 Derby Cigars

Hi, I have included a listing for your card from the 2011 Standard Catalog. The card you have here is extremely hard to find.

Holy Schnikies that Ernie Shore. That card should be here in Winston-Salem!

There is exactly one known orange Close Candy E94 in existence for each of the players. I believe 7 cards are not known to exist, but of the rest of the 1/1 oranges, I am fortunate to own 5 of them.
NOTE- these are not to be confused with the orange Anonymous E98s or the red Close Candy E94s. I could go on for hours about the theories on their production, etc but that’s been hashed out years ago.

This is probably my rarest item...

Just got today, only one ever made...SGC long ago graded it down for rounded corners which, as a playing card, was intended....presume PSA or SGC would grade it way up now...

e92 Nadja
 

1 of 3

For folks who collect the set, the net54 E94 Orange thread is a fantastic read.

Cool.
Thank you, Phil and Bob.
I love, live and breathe this stuff.
Ben

"I love baseball history backstory; especially when it involves cards."

Here are a few of mine…

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Tough true Nat Clifton rookie cars

Thank you for posting that excerpt from the 2011 Standard Catalog! I have the 2008 catalog---and I apparently cannot use an index properly because I missed the entry in that year's catalog the first time I searched for it, but I digress----the only documented Jamesway card in the 2008 version was the Pete Rose card. Interestingly, the 2 catalogs don't mention autographed versions of any of the cards, but I think another poster in this forum some years ago (or perhaps it was another forum??) hypothesized that a small number of autographed versions were given out to company executives. Folks at Kenwood Mall that received that version of the Bench card (same image I believe, but different logo) may have also gotten them autographed. Gotta wonder if any other Reds players could eventually surface in these issues!

Only 3 exist I believe.