Wow! Just wow....Good luck then.....Maybe a lot of the members are right

Some of us are. What's fun is, we each get to figure out who. :D

Kevin I think you're confusing a few concepts here. Attorney client privilege pertains to communications, which the attorney can't waive without the client's consent. But Jeff hasn't disclosed any privileged communications here. I think what you're really asking is can Jeff simultaneously represent Brent as well as the interests of collectors. The answer of course is no, IF there is a conflict then one's duty is solely to one's client. From Jeff's posts he obviously doesn't think there's a conflict; rather, he believes that the same thing that is in Brent's interest -- to cooperate and make restitution -- is also the best deal collectors are going to get out of this fiasco. People can of course disagree with this and have disagreed, and I am not defending that point of view here, just trying to answer your question as I assume after yesterday's ugliness Jeff may choose not to engage with the board over these topics any more. Hope that helps. PS not sure what the 5th Amendment has to do with any of this.

LOL, that's a fact.:D

My understanding is that an NDA can't be enforced to silence information regarding illegal activities. So a person from PSA or PWCC with information on fraud would be free to disclose it without violating their NDA.

* - I am not a lawyer.

As a practical matter, I wouldn't think anyone is going to try to sue someone for talking to the FBI.

More generally, there's a whole body of law about the balance between confidentiality obligations and whistleblower rights.

We all pay more in higher prices?

You're right, I really don't give a rats ass as I'll never purchase another card from this crooked industry again. You got me there. I just enjoy watching people flush money down the toilet with attorney fees, that's all.

That's why I run a clean business with integrity. It has served me very well financially. Funny when you work with integrity you don't need a criminal attorney, though my best friend is one. Look me up as I'm sure many other haters have. You'll find a speeding ticket in 2009.

You're lucky Peter. That's nothing compared to what I've experienced. I'm not sure what's going on Steven but if I were your sibling in this situation I would promptly tell you to shut up.

Pete...Just sarcasm....

I mean, I know I'm a buffoon. So what, every form needs the asses point.

Luckily for me you’re not my sibling and seem to have enough problems of your own you should be worrying about.

Why would Jeff tell Steven to shut up?

And thin skinned.

As for Jeff he absolutely should not be commenting on here period if he's representing El Brento. Stop pressing for it people. I think we should just all drop this thread.

His brother is running his mouth and saying all sorts of stuff. Not exactly helping the situation.

Kat, let’s hope the phone doesn’t ring tonight and frighten you if big, bad, meanie Leon is on the other end. I hate to stereotype but....

Huh? Do share as I don't have any problems at the moment Steven, other than my cousin being in a medically induced coma following a car accident. If you have the balls do feel free to message me about my problems.

I am missing the concern, sorry. It's a chatboard. Steven's opinions have no effect on Brent's case.

Leon and I are actually pretty cool despite our disagreements. Just cut it out dude.

I think you're running out of steam my man....Time to move on while the getting is good....

HEY LEON ….. Is the Net54 dinner still on?

With Huigens. Moser, Orlando, and J. Lichtman as speakers. A panel discussion on What's Good for the Hobby.

And Lichtman's brother on the topic "How to win people over with charm and subtlety"

Obviously. Jeff can't post anymore and suddenly his brother has all of these jabs and opinions? I mean he said this: "Yes he is my younger brother which only makes me even more infuriated that he would represent such a lying, slimy piece of garbage, who intentionally tried to f*ck me and did so to many of you. But all I can say now is grab of box of popcorn and watch this play out. Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war."

If Jeter Spaeth said that stuff you'd probably be all cut it out.

Kevin, just because you PM’d me to call you on the phone and I didn’t drop what I was doing to call you that minute doesn’t mean you should lash out. I would have gotten to you when I was done with what I was doing. Now why don’t you go find a lava lamp or some puka beads and put them on BST so you can pay the rent this month?

Peter and Jeter Spaeth come on guys someone please tell me it made someone laugh!

Still waiting for my PM Steven. Bring it on.

Kat, why play it out in private? Bring it on in front of everyone.

Gotta be tough being a wannabe....You always have your brother's will to count on though...

well said....I would venture to say that Jeff has the higher IQ here....

I am seriously waiting for the "My dad can beat your dad up" post.

For the love of God (or whoever it is you believe in) can we just let this thread die now. Personal attacks never get anyone anywhere. You are all better than this.

Geez.

Play what out? I've never spoken to you in my life Steven. To say I seem to have enough problems on my own? WTF? N54 isn't about that sort of crap that's why I said PM me. Not sure what beef you have with me but it's probably better to PM me.

This thread is awesome!

When you open your mouth be prepared to get it back. Especially when none of it has anything to do with you.

I totally agree.



I'm fortunate that I don't have dilemmas like that in any of my work.

I did usually adjust prices according to a few things at the bicycle shop. A single mom with a bike problem who is just trying to take a short ride with her kids usually got a very good price.. The Lance wannabe on the $3K plus bike who wants to stand over me and tell me how to repair his trivial problem... Yeah, he paid for her repair and his, and in at least one case at least 3-4 others. that guy was bad enough I handed him the tool and walked away. When he asked where I was going I said he seemed to know how to do it and I had work I needed to get back to. He didn't, apologized, and didn't seem bothered at all when I charged him $30 just to adjust the height of the seat, something that usually took <1 minute and was often charged as "when you'r ride is done come back and buy an ice cream or something"

The guy ranting about how we didn't know what we were doing etc when everything worked perfectly and hadn't cost as much as the other local shops charged... He got politely sent to the guy up the street who charged him 5x as much for repairs that didn't fix anything.
When the new owner asked, I told him that now that guy was the other shops problem, and the way I did it, he was happy about it. (Yes, happy enough that he sent us 5 other customers in the next few months :eek: )And eventually came back with a somewhat better understanding of things in general.

Get what back? I still haven't a damn clue what you're talking about. No need to make stuff up about any of us. Interesting statement there. Seems like you know who exactly it has to do with. Hm.

that'd be epic!!!! i'd cancel my annual camping trip for that!!!!!

i'd cancel a camping trip for anything...My wife wanted to go camping once. I told her that my ancestors paid it forward with 40 years in the desert so forget it. My idea of roughing it is the Cleveland Sheraton.

What would make you think that???

I would literally rather completely quit practicing law than practice family law. Not wild about criminal law, but that would be TONS better than going down the family law road. That is really nasty business.

Bahaha...actually our annual camping trip became an annual cabin trip last year...so technically goin to the cabin as they say in mn!!!! But I do like to camp occasionally even better if kayak camping!

My camping days ending when uncle sam was done with me lol.

Pre-War Baseball Card Forum
 

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..and every nine pages , one of us shows a pre-war baseball card. They go well with bile and popcorn.

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Adam, I would have expected you to say, "My idea of roughing it is attending the National at Atlantic City." :)

Queens or the Bronx?

I would think that an NDA would cover lawful portions of the business protecting trade secrets, technology, customer lists, proprietary info etc.. When it comes to illegal or criminal activity I would think the NDA is not valid for that...that would be like hiring a hit man, having him sign an NDA to do the job, getting caught and NOT spilling the beans... then again me not a barrister...

You all sound like fools!
Brent is not going to jail give it a rest

He did not alter the cards
Shill bidding is not illegal
His knowledge of Moser's acts will not be able to be proven

YES he is a bad man but he will not even be charged with anything

WHO is wondering why he is still on ebay ? What a joke

Then why did he hire Jeff?

Not going to jail ?
 

We shall see . His hubris is like like Mt Aetna . The judge , if it gets there aint going to like it .

Agree with almost everything you said.....except he may very well be charged....jail time slim to zero chance that is happening.

This industry will always be full of scumbags it’s sad

You're kidding?

20 years ago the company I worked for hosted a hydraulics convention. No decent hotel was available anywhere in the Boston area then for under about 125/night.
We needed a bit of room, so the motel 6 or the more local "Caswell motel" were out.

When did they legalize shill bidding?

Maybe its ok in Nevada, but it isn't here.

I know a little bit about whistleblower rights having been one myself, and I know all too well how the laws are written are often not how they're practiced. If there is anyone who's thinking about becoming a whistleblower, I would think really long and hard about it and get a lawyer first.

Hey now that's a low blow to Kevin. I love PUKA shells and they have made a big comeback. I have a great collection including David Cassidy's....and NONE OF THEM ARE fake, LIKE ALL THE CARDS. And I'm wearing them to my high school reunion tonight. I'm going as Danny Partridge.

Both clearly soaked and trimmed.

Agree with everything here Georgie my boy. We shall see when Brent Mastro and PSA square off in court, won't we?

Why would you trust a corporation when the sh*t hits the fan? Why would you think a public corporation in the service business is all about the customer? Why would you just now.... never mind. Stuff trumps all.

Too many rodeos for me. Glad I cashed most of my graded stuff a few years ago. Glad I held on to my ungraded altered Billy Ripkin cards. At least they are funny.

Aah, the boundary waters canoe area wilderness makes some folks wanna get away.;)

And I believe mislabeled. Believe those are Type 4 Wide Pens which should be labeled as 1937 not 36.

Peter, that was your funniest post.:D

Thanks, Howard. Let me try for an encore.

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Please pardon the interruption while I go to the bathroom and puke....

OH MY... PT Barnum would tip his hat to a true master.

You would have to be pretty trusting to store high end cards with any non bank entity IMO. But a complete moron to give PWCC cards while under investigation.

Anyone that collects wine will understand what I mean. When shit hits the fan, best of luck getting your cards back. Tens of millions of dollars in high end wine has been lost to models similar to this.

He's still clothing himself in that pseudo-Wall Street garb. Investment adviser. Assets. Portfolios.

Thanks for ruining my weekend Peter!
Could someone (Jeff, the Feds, God, etc.) PLEASE put this company out of business for good!!!

The only ones who can do that are us, but we (collectively) don't have the will. As long as they get, or claim to get, high prices, people are going to consign to them. And as long as they get stuff, people are going to buy from them.

Most privately held companies don't survive an FBI investigation. Especially, when they affect a percentage of the market and integrity/trust is a must. Two years or less and PWCC will be gone, regardless of who represents them.

I hope you are right, but I doubt it.

Move over...

Me too....

Originally Posted by BeanTown View Post
Most privately held companies don't survive an FBI investigation. Especially, when they affect a percentage of the market and integrity/trust is a must. In less than two years and they will be gone. Regardless of who represents them.

I hope you're right, but I doubt it. My exact thoughts

Be pretty cool if a Brent victim, hell anybody, stalked PWCC National booth and made it a mission to inform everyone who approached about this scandal scum! I wont be there to witness this potential fiasco.

I have said for years that Huigens and Rick Probstein will keep on going there crooked ways, and laughing all of the way to the Bank. They dont give a shit about clients and collectors, they both are cancers to the hobby. And, EBAY DOESN'T give a shit, period! What a freaking disgrace.....Peter put it best, people wanting to consign cards because of prices they get, and people wanting to buy because of product demand are going to keep these pricks going. We as collectors are the ones that make these scumbags what they are.....

i’m going to be busy looking for T206 brown lenoxes or else I’d do it.

Maybe we should talk more about the freaking disgrace of EBAY with these crooks!

I could almost believe this, except for Moser:p:rolleyes:;)

What about a rep from Ebay?

Unsuspecting people need to be warned about turning over their collection to the vault!

That would be Betsy. no?:D

Is this vault a high end certified one or a premium quality one?

You can put lipstick on a pig all day long and it’s still a pig....