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We also know that 576 (Nicholson) is above either a manager card or a RC and that 532/552 are next to each other based on miscuts.

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Great find on the 586. I recently won on ebay some miscuts that involve 590,566 and snyder other. They look like the seller had these from the beginning or acquired them together. They are slightly diamond cuts and the border look like they fit together. more to come

My feeling on this latest purchase is that skowron 590 is to the right of cuellar 566. The right border of the skowron card is very slightly on the left border of the cuellar card.
I reference ebay auctions that ended 9/5 at around 1020pm est. Seller Greg Morris. check out these completed listings and see what you think.

billp

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I would love to see the scans of the cards.

I'm going with 538 to the left of the checklist based on the color and the top right corner boarder.

542 smith with 595 to the right on ebay now in a group lot. For a while this was up in the air but verified now. Still looking for more clues on the remaining unknowns.

What specifically is going on? LMK and I'll add them to the overall graphic.

I believe BillP is putting 595 Larry Jackson next to 542 George Smith card in the Tony Taylor row.So Smith is in the 5th column and Jackson the 6th .Great job BillP confirming that. I saw Kevvyg1026 had suspected that in #263 and maybe others thought so,too.

It must be this card, #595 Larry Jackson to the right.

I took this from my post #287, where it had the Jackson card placed already, but it was 'only' theoretical...

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Is the rest of it correct, or does it contain cards that haven't been confirmed yet?

I really believe Skowron, Cuellar and Snyder in that order are together. They came up for auction about 2 months ago. All showing borders of one side. I won the skowron and the snyder, but the cuellar was the key to fit them altogther. could believe somebody outbid me.
Still think those 3 are in order somewhere here. There all reasonably tough.

Those three cards may very well had been cut from the same exact sheet and a kid pulled all three from the same pack back in 1966, but the Snyder is confirmed to be the second card on the Perranoski row between Perranoski and R. Pena.

Ah, right. I try to look at some of these lots as from the original buyer from packs bought at the same time. Makes sense that the sheet itself would produce similar cuts but not necessarily indicate position on the sheet.
Trying to solve card 517 as well. Most agree that it's on the right side and we know it's an SP. Best I can get right now is the colored line on the right. Nothing on the left to indicate next card over.

I thought work had been done earlier to show that Tigers team was below one of the cards that hadn't been placed? By looking at the back of the card for clues.

Post #313 and #318 seem to validate that 586 raymond is above Tigers team. Guys, please weigh in.

billp

1966 topps high sheets
 

This is what I believe the two half-slits looked like for the 1966 Topps series 7 print run. I have placed the Raymond card above the Tigers team but don't have enough info for the Skowron, Cueller, checklist, as well as a few others (e.g., Queen). We know that 532 and 552 are next to each other, and that 517 (W. Sox variation) is at the end of a row. We also know that 576 is above a Mgr or Rookie card.

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I wonder if every card on the right side vertical row other than the checklist turns out to be a two player rookies card, every one of them is so far and there are three not known yet and one of them is the checklist.

1966 topps high series
 

The missing cards from my speculative layout are: 517, 528, 532, 538, 541, 552, 556, 566, 570, 576, & 590. None of the missing cards appear to be Rookie cards.

Of the seven unique rows, all 11 cards are known in four of them (headed by Northrup, Taylor, Salmon, and Mantilla). There are three unknown cards in the Jackson row, five cards in the Perranowski row, and 3 cards in the Hoerner row.

I tend to believe, without supporting evidence though, that 532/552 combo and 517 are in the row headed by Perranowski and that 576 is the last card in the Hoerner row.

I also suspect that 541 (Oliver) is not in column 11, based on a tiny sliver of a miscut I've seen and the same goes for for 590 (Skowron).

I've seen 570 with a faded black line near the top of the card, but I don't know if that is a recurring defect or simply a scan artifact.

I've seen Cuellar (566) with a shift (yellow was evident), which is comparable to the same type of shift I've seen on 598 (Perry), so perhaps 566 is in the Hoerner row, along with Perry.

And Queen (556) is sometimes found with an unusually wide right border, suggesting that it might be at the right edge, perhaps in the Jackson row.

However, I caution that the above card placements are speculations only, as I have not located definitive miscuts.

Card 586 is above Tigers team, 583. The speculation appears to be confirmed with that miscut of 542 now available.

Snyder is in column 2 so it must be a different card you are thinking about.

Seems like the only 2 cards in play below Nicholson 576 can either be 549 or 552. Does that back black bar on either of those cards highlight anything that could place 576?

I agree with that 576 should be above 552 or 549. If 576 is above 549, then 576 is at the end of the Hoerner row. If 576 is above 552, then it could be in several places, including possibilities in each of the three rows.

And the card to the left of the checklist appears to exhibit some blue sky (see post # 314), so that could be 528, 538, 541, 552, 556, 566, 570, 576, or 590 as possibly in column 10 rows B (Perranowski), C (Hoerner) or G (Jackson).

Can you post the miscuts where you think Skowron, Cueller, and another card are in a strip of 3?

Still looking for that thread on ebay, however I thought I would bring up another tidbit. Card 559 Pena appears with and without a blue dot in the bottom right corner. Probably a difference in the 2 sheets.

Bill good point about the 559 Pena blue dot. I have one with and two without it. I will look for that in the future. Thanks

1966 highs
 

There are currently 11 cards (517, 528, 532, 538, 541, 552, 556, 566, 570, 576, and 590) whose placements in the 1966 high series sheet are unknown. What is known is that 517 is in C11, that 532 is adjacent to 552, and that 576 (Nicholson) is above either a mgr or RC.

This miscut of card #556 shows that it is above a regular card, not a RC or Mgr. Sorry about poor quality, but it was the only one I found on Worthpoint. Since, Column 11 has 574, 549, 553, 539, (all RCs) and 517 (checklist) in it, it is unlikely, but not impossible for Queen (556) to be in C11.

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1. I haven't seen other 1966 highs with the blue dot. Are there any?

2. I have seen severe diamond cuts on 590, 566, 556, & 586 but not the Snyder.

3. I have seen multiple copies of #598 (perry) with varying degrees of white clouds on it, but haven't seen other cards with those artifacts.

4. The checklist (517) has a card on its left that has a large amount of blue sky.

Could queen be above a non RC on slit B? Depending on the row arrangement on that sheet? I'm going with an assumption that Queen is in the 591 row.

Here's the latest layout...

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Thank you for updating. This layout is the first 8 rows of one half-slit. Here is a summary of things for this series.

As can be seen, the pattern observed is A, B, C, D, E, A, F, G where A is the row headed by Northrup, B is headed by Perranowski, C is headed by Cards Rookies, D by Taylor, E by Salmon, F by Mantilla, & G by the Jackson/Shirley.

The complete pattern is A, B, C, D, E, A, F, G, B, C, D, E for this half-slit. The other half-slit looks like: D, E, A, F, G, B, C, D, E, A, F, G.

So the SP rows are B, C, F, G. Counts of eBay sales over a lengthy period for cards from this series support this conclusion.

There are still 11 cards to be placed in this array, but we know that they are all from SP rows. These cards are 517, 528, 532, 538, 541, 552, 556, 566, 570, 576, & 590.

We know that 517 (Checklist) is in C11 and that it is adjacent to a card with lots of blue sky. However, we don't know whether it is in row B, C, or G.

I have seen a MC of 541 (Oliver) that indicates it is not in column 11 but there wasn't enough info to tell what the adjacent card was. Same goes for Skowron (590).

There is a MC of 556 (Queen) that shows it is above a regular player card, which means that it is unlikely to be in C11, but that can't be completely ruled out.

Nicholson (576) is above either a RC or a Mgr card. This means that 576 is above 552 or 549. If 576 is above 549, then 576 is at the end of the Hoerner row. If 576 is above 552, then it could be in several places, including possibilities in each of the three rows.

Cards 532 & 552 are adjacent to each other but this isn't enough to determine their placement.

Finally, severe diamond-shaped MCs have been observed for 556, 566, 586, & 590 but I do not know if that means they were all in the same row. Another post suggested that 566/590 were adjacent to each other but I have not seen MCs to support that yet.

I think the 566/590 miscuts were in the same wax pack or box from a miscut sheet. Don't have enough to go on to move opinion to where they might be together.
I'm still looking around. Mainly at the checklist,

A 576 nicholson that has a partial left border on ebay now. Diamond cut. The bottom has a border of a regular card and the bottom looks like the bar of a dark colored team banner. The team banner is smaller than the regular border so I'm going to look at that prospect for placement clues.

It looks to me like the pea green that the Orioles and Astros have. Someone here needs to win it to show a higher quality scan.

I'm looking to bid. Thx for the detail scan. Astros or Orioles. Of the unknowns, what is left? Also, stated earlier, 576 is above a mgr or rookie card I believe.

1966 #576 Nicholson
 

Spots available are to the right of 561, 586, 569, 543 plus the cards whose positions we don't know are 517, 541, 590, 566, 532, 552, 570, 528, 556, and 538.

If that color is Orioles green, then Nicholson would be next to 566 (Cuellar). I don't believe there are any other possibilities. So, if that color is Orioles green, that would force 576 to be in the row headed by Perranowski and then the 532/552 combo in the row headed by Cardinals RC.

It could not be 586 Raymond, because the card under 576 has to be either a manager or rookie card based on another miscut of 576, and if 576 was next to 586, the card under 576 would be 569.

1966 topps highs
 

It might also be possible for Nicholson to be next to 566 (Cuellar) and both cards could be in the Shirley/Jackson row (Columns 10/11). Then the 532/552 combo would be in the Perranowski row.

Can someone explain the cutting process used by Topps for 1966? Were the sheets cut into horizontal or vertical strips first or were both cuts done simultaneously?

Trying to determine if it's possible to piece together cards that are severely diamond cut.

1966 topps highs
 

Here's the miscut of 576 which suggests that a manager or RC is below it.
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1966 topps highs
 

and a miscut of 556 which suggests it might be above a regular card

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Could the Queen have a card below in on one slit but not the other?

Yes. If the Queen card is in row headed by the Shirley/Jackson card, then it would have the same card below it twice and be at the bottom of the sheet, once.

I thought so, could apply to Nicholson too. To find the 3 missing cards in the Jackson row will really slim things down.

Did you win the nicholson bid?

yes. will have it in about a week or so.

Can't wait to find out what you see. My guess is that it will be cuellar next to him

I'm guessing yes. Also, since we have some black border info on some miscut cards, is their any black border pattern that we can use to either eliminate or identify the next door cards? the checklist is one that
we have the left border and maybe based on the black line pattern determine the neighbor?

I won this card, just received it. The card to the left of Nicholson #576 has a YELLOW bar. no question about it.

and now looking at post #356, which shows a MC back of #576, my belief is that #576 is above #549 and #570 is above Rodgers. I compared the black shape outline of the MC back to #552 and #549 and my thought is that is similar to #549's outline. Opinions welcome on that one. Comparing the back of #549 to post #356.

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The only 7th series cards that I do not know their positions are: 517, 528, 532, 538, 541, 552, 556, 566, 570, 576, and 590. So, that would suggest that 570 (or 590) is left of 576. This may mean that 570 is in Column 9 and 576 in Column 10

It's clearly yellow as opposed to white sox tan on the left border. So I think 570 is a strong candidate.

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So the combo 570/576 is probably above 532/552. Unfortunately, there are still a couple possibilities for their location. 570/576 could be in perranowski row with 532/552 in hoerner row. Or 570/576 could be in jackson row with 532/552 in perranowski row.

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Thank you. Dick Egan is above Chi Chi Olivio at one spot on Slit A and two spots on Slit B. Pretty certain that is what we see on this miscut.

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Cliff determined there is a small recurring flaw on the Cox (549) rookie card and that the Nicholson card (576) is the card above it. So 576 is at end of the Hoerner row (in C11). We can also place Mahaffey (570) next to Nicholson and above Rodgers (592) based on a miscut found by Bill P.

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Cliff pointed out that there is a recurring print mark on the back of Allen (538) that appears on the miscut checklist (517) . So, it definitely appears as if 538 is to the left of 517 (W Sox). Because we have now identified that 570 is in C10 and 576 is in C11 of the Hoerner row, the combo 538/517 must either be at the end of the Perranowski row or at the end of the Jackson/Shirley row.

Only a few cards left to identify. These include 528, 541, 556, 566, & 590. We also still have the sequence 532/552 to place as well.

If anyone wants to point out specifically what 'new' cards need to appear (and where) in my layout, I will happily get a new version uploaded.

You guys are getting close!!!

,570 is in c10 of the hoerner row and 576 nicholson is in c11 of that same row

#570 Art Mahaffey is above Andre Rodgers and #576 Dave Nicholson is above the #549 Washington Senators Casey Cox Rookie card. Bob Allen is to the left of #517 Checklist and Aurelio Monteagudo is to the left of Birdie Tebbetts but it’s not known yet where they are on the sheet.

Ha! One minute late as usual :D.

Great work guys. Very close.

We know that 538/517 is at the end of one row and that the combo 532/552 is also present. Haven't found a good miscut yet for 590, 528, 551, 556, or 566 to identify where those are.

ok, back on this..... Bidding on a very o/c top to bottom 548 Kroll on ebay. You can see a partial white of the card underneath and a good portion of the back. check it out..... ends 6 days 19 hrs from now. Might be skowron.

ok, back on this..... Bidding on a very o/c top to bottom 548 Kroll on ebay. You can see a partial white of the card underneath and a good portion of the back. check it out..... ends 6 days 19 hrs from now. I'm going with 541 pliver. From the boarder in the top right corner to the uneven black border of the info box on the back. Can't be 556 or 567.

I also think that Allen is above Mahaffey and the checklist is above Nicholson.

I believe the cards that still placement are (besides 538/517 combo) are 541, 532/552 combo, 566, 528, 556, 590.

517 is definitely at edge so it is either at end of Perranowski row or Jackson row.

The card below Kroll does not appear to be 566, 528, 532, or 556, or 538 based on the position of the stats lines. But the Skowron card, 590, may also be a fit, because of the two stat lines. So I believe it is either 541 or 590.

541 Gene Oliver has some very distinctive print flaw anomalies on the back, unfortunately the seller took photos rather than high quality scans and it's difficult to see in detail.

I'll try to win it to figure it out.

the seller is on vacation so i cant get a better scan

I asked him for pics, too, and got the same answer.

There is something else at play here that could/should lead to a definitive answer. If you check the pink/orange (whatever color that is) sliver on the card in question, it clearly stops 'much' higher than the same area on the Kroll card. The two cards do not have the same sized pink/orange area. The card in question has more white on the bottom than the Kroll. If anyone has their set (and a ruler) on hand, see if you can find that 'short stranger.'

Oh well, that turned out to be a false lead. Both Oliver and Skowron have seemingly identical pink/orange sizes, both a tad bit shorter than Kroll...

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Saw this recently on ebay. The Lindblad RC is above Snyder and the Griffith RC is above the Tovar RC.

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I think the unevenness of the black border is the key.

Agreed. I was trying to find a new way in with the absence of clearer pics.

did you win the kroll card auction?

yes, should have it this week, will advise when I compare the back to my other cards.

Received the Kroll card and it's definitely 541 oliver that is below this card. The 2 lines of the stats on the back and the lack of the vertical single line on the skowron card (the other unknown major possible) eliminate 590. it's oliver below Kroll.

Great thx, have to feel that the checklist is in the bottom right corner and then allen to the left. Still to be proved out though.

Bill--Great Find!