Okay, I change my statement to “biggest kooks currently inhabiting N54.”

I honestly wish they would chime in because this is becoming exhausting. I’d still love to know what Al had to gain by keeping a lot of common T206 cards. I honestly believe that David thinks that card graded a PSA 1 was an actual brown OM. Lol.

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Hi Peter, you are correct. I'm sure that things are much different in NJ than they are out here in the boonies. :) Dealing with several larger cities that are located in a small geographical area is much different than dealing with the small towns that are dozens of miles from a large sortation center. I also agree with you about the date on the check.

Rick

Well, after having read a little more I think we can cross off greed as one of Al's deadly sins but it looks like he's dead to rights on sloth. Gluttony too -- I thought I saw him eating a pizza today at the White Plains show.

So even by Al's own admission, he:
1. posted the same card in two separate lots
2. he has allegedly mailed 10 cards to the wrong address
3. he has failed to show scans of the back of the alleged BOM in one of the lots.
4. he has failed to mention in the description the fact that it is mislabeled BOM, potentially causing guys to bid in hopes of treasure
5. He failed to mention to the board that the Old Mill was not being returned to the buyer, and let everyone think he was getting a full refund PLUS ALL the cards.
6. He said he sent an important check via STANDARD MAIL on Dec 29th which was postmarked 10 days later.
7. Had the OM reholdered, but used two different scans in different holders in the two seperate lots.

So forgive me if I mistook gross incompetence for shady behavior. It's just so hard to believe that someone can be THAT incompetent and make THAT MANY mistakes, that one can easily confuse it with malice. I'm still not sure that a few white lies weren't told in order to hide said incompetence, but I don't necessarily believe it was for some evil motive or fraud. Is that better?

Careful, or you'll be liable for libel.

LMFAO!

Thank you Jeff. Thank you.

I just hate loose ends and these two collectors remaining silent only adds to the intrigue and speculation. On a side note I am pretty sure that no other lot auctioned has had this many mishaps associated with it. It is quite staggering.

Adrian wants to say hi, but he is over his quota.

Interesting points but as to point 3) lot #234 does show the Paige back and it is clearly not brown. http://loveofthegameauctions.com/190...-LOT14343.aspx

No problems with Al at all....It's amazing to me, we barbeque PWCC's and Probstein's ass for years with constant threads and posts with absolutely no resolve, and then we blister a guy with none of that garbage, a guy that many people praised about on numerous threads, and then just this one thing happens....I don't get it...

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Exactly. Some of the nonsense in this thread was just unbelievable.

Not “ remaining silent “
 

I know the collector who won the two old mills and put the hole in Paige when he was trying to unslab it. He isn’t remaining silent, he just has other things to do and hasn’t been following the thread closely. Plus, there’s really nothing more to say about it. His hand slipped, Paige got mangled, and now it sits in his beater T206 set. It’s very obviously not a brown old mill. End of the story.

Al is a great guy. I recently won a few lots at his last auction. I paid him and received my cards. No problems.

Today I received a check from him because I overpaid. I had no idea and would have gone on with my life never knowing that I did.

Not too many people would do what he did.

He doesn't deserve any of the negative remarks.

No conspiracy here. Time to move on. If Al says he sent the check on 12/29, that’s when he sent it.

Has anyone figured out who B is? I'm dying to know!!!

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue

this thread is awesome. lol.

Jeff - lets have lunch sometime soon. or dinner.

It's always the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm, or if you haven't seen the updated post with the postmark.

Hi Joe- NYC Dinner Thread?

I like applesauce

Al's sentence has been served. Let's release him, and the rest of us of that are tired of seeing this thread at the top of the board each morning, from the pillory.

I have been away on vacation for a bit, and am delving into this thread as I am having to work on a Saturday morning, and all I can say is

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have one major problem. If a bidder accidentally received some cards that he KNEW he did not bid on nor pay for, why in the f**k is he cracking them open!?!?!??!?!???!?!?!??!? They do no belong to him!!!!!!!! Granted, I haven't taken the time to peruse every single page of this thread, but I think I got the general gist of what transpired. Can someone explained to me why someone is cracking out cards that he knows does not belong to him??

I'm as guilty of this as anybody. I have packages that I just let sit unopened. Hell, I got a package from Heritage with a complete Topps Wings set that I STILL haven't opened. From 2014. Hope they are in there.

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You just can’t go on vacation and expect to understand this thread, Bobby.

The Paige card was sold in two different lots. Both parties paid for the card. One of them mutilated the card during the cracking process and the other didn’t receive the card.

An explanation with surgical precision.

I agree. For the record, I have never met Al, have never dealt with Al (as far as I can remember) and have no axe to grind with him. Let me be crystal clear. I don't think Al is a bad guy - maybe a little shady, but I don't think he's a crook. It was never personal. It wasn't a smear campaign against Al.

On the other hand, this thread quickly turned to a smear campaign against the OP and I just wasn't going to let that happen. He did nothing wrong. I've never met the OP either. I think I may have dealt with him in the past (his name sounds familar), but I really don't remember. Either way, I would have done the same thing for anybody who was wrongfully attacked.

As far as I'm concerned, this thread can be over with and done. But if those that keep running their mouths want to continue to do so, we can keep it going. Let me be crystal clear about something else. I still have 2 more bombs to drop. I'm willing to keep those to myself and keep my mouth shut and nothing more will ever be said. But if some want to continue this we can. It doesn't matter to me.

Over or done? It's y'alls choice.

Wow. That’s what we call a teaser in the film industry. Not that I am in the film industry. No way this baby is ending anytime soon.

Not a teaser. I said last night that I have a lot more to say. Whether or not it ends anytime soon is up to others.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but David's post sounds like, stop defending Al or I'll make you wish you hadn't. That seems inappropriate. On the other hand, the how dare you question Al posts are also inappropriate. David, if you have relevant information, I think you should put it out there and we can evaluate it.

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Are they bombs, grenades, or firecrackers?
If they really are bombs, let’s have it..

I'm not going to keep this thread going for entertainment purposes. Whether is stays going is up to others.

Who said anything about entertainment? If you have information relevant to the community's assessment of the issues you should put it out there, rather than just calling attention to yourself ("I have two bombs to drop") and putting the onus on others.

Agreed, the sanctimonious post about how you had explosive information to share but were too righteous to do so.... yet then repeatedly letting us know you have such information is a real eye roller.

Dulcolax may help.

It sounds to me that David may be referring to a certain person or persons to simply shut up or he will drop the bombs...is this blackmail? Ie, I have this information and you will do this or I will ruin someone?

You guys are reading way too much into this. I mentioned last night that I had more information to share. Re-read post #310. All I'm saying is that I'm going to shut up about the matter. If Al's defenders want to do the same, we can let this thread die. If not, well that's up to them.

+1 - I had to stop and clear coffee off my screen ... classic!

So who has the pic?

I became hooked on this thread two days ago. Thanks to all involved. It's been like binge watching Breaking Bad. If you could guarantee me this thread (or one just as interesting) would run non-stop, I could cancel my Direct TV subscription and save a lot of money.

Cant some personal info just be covered and the pic exposed? I mean, this what David is hinging everything on, why not just end all of this so Al can go on being the honest AH owner we know he is? Like many others, I feel like I am really really missing something here..

There was no OM brown...
Cards were accidentally shipped to the wrong person...
LOTG got the cards regarded which seems like the right thing...
What possibly could be in this pic?

Miss Scarlet in the dining room with the revolver of course!

It’s hard to follow what you’re saying, David, because you’re jumping around a lot. Maybe you should check yo self. Are you saying word to your moms, you came to drop bombs, you got more rhymes than the Bible’s got psalms? Or that you’re droppin bombs on ya moms, f**k car alarms?

But seriously, I admire you’re dedication to campaigning, but I promise you, even though we’re only two weeks into the new year, you’ve already locked up the Net54 “Biggest Douche of 2018” award. There’s not going to be any legitimate competetition. You can stop posting any time. You’ve already won.

-Ryan

...unless it's just another bombtrack.

I been off for a day or so. Guess i was wrong to think that there may of been more than just providing ALL the cards to the OP plus offering more given what I read. I had thought it may of at least appeared more complicated than that. Sorry to question that. Guess i was wrong.

If you stamp your own mail at home or office you can manipulate the time pretty easily for backdating etc. Not saying that happened but just general knowledge in those situations when not done at the post office.

Thanks for not including me. Like i stated earlier, sorry for questioning the process early on.

Michael - I haven't been here in a while.... but if I remember correctly, just about any thread is vulnerable to turning into a NYC Dinner Thread.

I have the pic of the box the cards were returned in that includes a tracking number. Al sent it to me so I could provide it to David so he could get over this conspiracy theory. I will not post it here because the tracking number would likely give away the person who received the cards and he does not want to be involved and there is no need for him to be involved. The tracking number and dates corroborate Al's story, I guess it's up to you guys if you want to believe the "Bomb dropper" or Al.

David, really???

I know who A, B and M are but who is this Al guy?

Not to be read as any sort of judgement, just a look at the envelope from a stamp collector.

That cancel is mostly illegible. But like anything post office around the holidays stuff can and does get messed up.
here's what it should look like.
https://jochim.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/sam_0790.jpg

Depending on when it went in the box, and the pickup schedule of the box, it could have been cancelled later than mailed.

The DV Daniels is a distribution center, located in Kearney.
Most mailboxes have the last pickup at 4:30 or so, a lot in that part of NJ are 4:30 so a letter dropped after that on the 29th wouldn't be picked up until Saturday the 30th.
Sunday, Monday is the 31st, Tuesday the 1st, so the first likely day it got dealt with at the processing center would be the 2nd. If the box wasn't collected - shouldn't happen, but shorthanded on a holiday? Maybe. It would be the same.

Oddly, I can't read that cancel as 02 Jan.

But the 8th or 9th shouldn't be correct either, as the last day for the happy holidays cancel was supposed to be the 5th
https://about.usps.com/holidaynews/postmarks.htm

A bit of a puzzle, If I was looking at the envelope for my collection, I might set it aside as a possible late use of the computer generated cancel.

Sorry for the giant pic, I guess the bit of the website it's on that makes it a reasonable size but enlargeable didn't translate.

I gave you a chance to drop this, but obviously you're just not that smart. I don't need the tracking number to make my point. If that's you're excuse, edit out the tracking number and post the pic. You'd been better off keeping your stupid mouth shut.

Please let this thread die like it already should have. There is no further point to me made and everyone who has felt the need to voice their opinion has had their chance. Now it has just devolved into a collection of silly comments and guys who feel the need to engage in dick measuring. Please let it go.

Welp...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...fc599ff358.gif

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How about deleting it then?

Maybe tomorrow when I have some time to download/resize/upload etc.

Or if it bugs you that much you could repost it smaller and I'll delete the big one:)

Leon...
Why?

Here you go, Steve. I resized it, and played with the levels in Photoshop so it was easier to read.

https://i.imgur.com/dC8tZZn.png

As for this discussion, I've actually spent the last hour reading each post. Mistakes happen, guys. We live in an imperfect world. I've not yet done business with Al, but would not hesitate to do so. In a hobby where there are so many unscrupulous people, Al is one of the truly good guys. He's earned the benefit of the doubt with his professionalism, and the transparency he's exhibited here is refreshing.

I understand the OP's frustration, and perhaps posting this did expedite the resolution of the issue at hand. But we have to always remember that, when an issue like this arises, it is not just one person who is affected. And, when we go public, we run the risk of damaging the reputation of the principles involved. And then things can quickly spiral out of control; piling on happens, and bickering and infighting that should be beneath all of us ensues.

right that's why if I was an AH and made a mistake I would communicate fast with the concerned buyer and be transparent to avoid them posting on a forum. If the concerned buyer posted after just a few days or was threatening to post after a day or so etc, I do think the plight of the auction house and their post mistake actions would have been universally defended. Guess lesson learned for all

"perhaps"? cards that went missing for a month suddenly were found. a refund check that hadn't arrived in nearly two weeks was received. both after this thread was started.

Look, this thread has jumped the shark big time.

Last year I gave Al a $30,000 card that I thought was undergraded. He agreed to submit it and paid out of his pocket to have it looked at. They came back and said they wouldn't change the grade. Card was listed. Al literally had the nicest card in my collection for 3 months. Never for one second did I have a modicum of concern about where the card was. Because Al's integrity is beyond question.

And if I'm not mistaken this thread is about a missing $25 card. What utter bullsh*T. Let me see if I understand this:

Al sells a few million dollars of cards a year. He has a tremendous amount of respect in the industry. But is going to risk all of that over a $25 card?

Ask your self if that makes any sense. It doesn't.

Move on. Mistakes happen. This has just gotten stupid on top of stupid. And I have no issue with the OP. When things go wrong we get frustrated. I get it. But enough with the silly conspiracy theories.

This. Al has done more for the hobby than the Axle of Asshattery and all the other ankle-biters combined. You guys are just making yourselves look neurotic. LOTG is an honest AH. That is an article of faith with me. More than you can say for a lot of the competition. There was a perfect storm of little screw-ups; it does not make Al "shady". Give the man a break. Would love to see this thread locked.

It doesn't appear after all the explanations that anything was 'shady' but it does appear some explanations were needed. Cant fault people for questioning some things. The listing description in the auction listing may of also been not quite accurate as well which was yet another issue.

Everyone is not black or white. Great people or companies make mistakes which doesn't define them. However, when mistakes happen transparency and explanations may be necessary according to at least some people

I agree. Good people make mistakes. An explanations were given. But for one or two people they were never enough. Started to feel like Kennedy and the grassy knoll here, 9/11 truthers, or the "faked" moon landing. Every time an explanation was given some one countered with a what if. Really enough.

+1 David, great post...

As far as I can tell everything has been worked out by the most vested parties. I am going to take my good friend Kawika's advice and let this thread die a dignified death. If anyone can't live with this decision please pm me and we can chat about it. Thanks all.