Thanks Jeff. Means a lot coming from you.

Picked up this killer RPPC of Jim Thorpe kicking in a game circa 1912. So hard to track down Thorpe game action images!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OE...=w1359-h887-no

jeff

Jeff,

I'm not seeing your pic. Sounds awesome!

Mark

Hmmmm. How about now?

jeff

Oh yea. Awesome piece!! Congrats Jeff.

Thanks Mark! I appreciate it.

jeff

Oldest card of George Halas I've ever seen! This 1915 RPPC shows Potsy Clark and George Halas while at Illinois.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/eu...=w1458-h949-no

They both broke their jaws that season and the press called them the "Order of the Broken Jaw". Note the head harnesses they are wearing. How would you like to play football with that on?

Numerous articles were written about it and some showed a cropped version of this image.

jeff

That is an awesome photo, Jeff!

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Jeff, very nice! I can imagine if there was TV coverage of the '32 championship, they'd definitely play up a photo of the two coaches shaking hands back in college.

I thought you might come up with that angle being a Spartans fan and all.

The person who listed this item didn't mention Clark in the description. I get he's not George Halas but was pleasantly surprised when I dug into this to find out it was Potsy that Halas was shaking hands with. I had heard Halas broke his jaw (and I think later his leg) while playing at Illinois but didn't know the backstory between these two that season.

jeff

That's a nice bonus when the "other guy" turns out to have coached a team to an NFL title. :)

Even though I have a copy of a book, really a pamphlet about football, by Potsy from the 30s, I never specifically researched him. The only reason I wasn't surprised to see him at Illinois was because in Red Grange's bio, he actually says "On the football field I tried my darnedest to be like my two special heroes, All Americans Bart Macomber and Potsy Clark of Illinois."

Here's a great photo of Grange with one of his idols before an exhibition game in early 1926.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vi...=w1509-h925-no

From the left: George "Wildcat" Wilson, Pop Warner, Red Grange
The gentleman on the far right wearing a sweater is Bart Macomber

jeff

That inked in arrow is something my grandmother liked to do in photos of my father -

Drives me nuts what people do that!

jeff

Haven't posted anything in this thread for a while so thought I'd update it with a few new additions. Went to the Chantilly CSA show last weekend and picked up some nice Diamond Matchbook covers. IMHO pre-war matchbooks are underrated as there are many HOFers / Stars that have matchbooks but no other cardboard image. It's a great way to fill in the holes in collection if you are trying to get images of pre-war players.

Ox Emerson should be in the HOF
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Mc...8=w325-h895-no

A few stars that are also in the Chicle set!
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/WE...o=w330-h895-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/X1...t=w332-h895-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Dp...O=w328-h895-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hA...1=w334-h895-no

jeff

These PC's don't show Thorpe in his football uniform but in his NY Giants uniform in 1913 instead.

Thorpe marching with team before 10/24/1913 game in Blue Rapids, KS
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/b-...=w1263-h820-no

Thorpe batting later in the day. He went 2-5 with a run scored.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cW...=w1234-h821-no

jeff

Lots of amazing items in this thread, especially this one!

Thanks Anish! I gotta dig through my recent pickups and update this thread as there's lots of stuff still to post.

jeff

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I see another one of these is coming up in Heritage - I don't remember what I paid for this one, but I think it was less than the opening bid for Heritage - for the very first (or the second depending how you consider the 1932 Spartans Bears game) NFL Championship game.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4199/...fe6625e4_c.jpg

Great pickups, Carl and Mike! Love those items.

I was able to snag these 19th century Yale photos recently.

1880 National Champs - Yale University (with Walter Camp)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zb...b=w824-h651-no

1881 Yale Baseball (with Walter Camp)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0P..._=w826-h649-no

jeff

I saw those. They are fantastic pieces. Congrats !

Images of Fritz Pollard are hard to find. He was the first African-American to be named an All-American Halfback by Walter Camp. One of two AA players who played during the first season of the NFL. First AA coach in NFL history. HOFer.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/YP...=w1443-h928-no

This is a team photo of the 1915 Brown University team he was on.

jeff

Carlisle Indians Postcards
 

1906 Canton team postcard
 

Those are amazing

Hey Guys,

Great photos Jeff. That is a fantastic yearbook. Along those lines I recently picked up this pretty cool album. This is a Pach Bros photo album of a Yale student, who went to school there from 1882-86. The first photo in the album was of his dorm room (see below). I’ve also included a zoomed in portion of the picture to show some of his sports photos on display back in 1886.

What followed next nearly blew my mind. This student trimmed (and thinned) the cardboard on all his sports photos in this picture (along with a dozen others) and slid them into his album. All four years of Yale athletic photos are included, along with the freshman teams for each sport. The slight indentation from the hanging clips are still visible on the photos today. The album contained 60+ 7x9 cabinet photos. Unfortunately the album itself was in awful shape, so I had to remove the photos. For those unfamiliar with these older Pach Bros albums, the cabinet photos slide in/out through slots on the bottom of each page.

For the sake of space and time, I’ve posted just the football photos. The 1882 Yale Championship team is the highlight, featuring Walter Camp. Yale also won the football championship in 1883 and 1884.

Thought some of you may enjoy the pics and the documented provenance of these early football photos.

Cheers

Mark
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...62F1DBC1A.jpeg

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...759EACD52.jpeg

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...AE684A2AB.jpeg

1882 Yale Championship Football Team.
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...0FBE9D9F4.jpeg

1883 Yale Championship Football Team
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...8F3398484.jpeg

1884 Yale Championship Football Team
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...8A423BC46.jpeg

1885 Yale Football Team
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...B893668FC.jpeg

Class of 1886 Freshman Yale Football Team.
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...E272D5907.jpeg

Beautiful pickups, Mark! Congrats on the find. Those are really spectacular photos.

jeff

Picked up this small pin recently of Hinkey Haines. Wikipedia says he is the only person to win both a World Series and NFL Championship. He played for the Yankees in 1923 when the won and the NY Football Giants in 1927.

I don't believe Mr. Haines has a football card of any kind from his playing days.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/rx...x=w477-h500-no

jeff

Picked up this large image of HOFer Fats Henry recently.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/7L...X=w468-h905-no

jeff

Jeff,

That is a great photo of Fats Henry! Congrats.

Mark

Here’s an uncommon photo of the 1893 Princeton Championship Football Team. This photo contains all but one (Morse) of the Princeton players featured on the 1894 Mayo Cut Plug card set.

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...0057DDC94.jpeg

Nice snag, Mark! Between this photo and the Yale album you posted a bit ago, you are on a major roll.

Congrats on picking up some fantastic items.

jeff

Jeff,

Thanks, but I’m done collecting. Or at least that is what I’ve been telling myself (and my wife) for the last five years.

Congrats again on the Henry. It looks kinda familiar :-)

Cheers.

Mark

Anytime you wanna truly stop collecting and start selling, you just let me know, Mark! Fantastic stuff.

And yes, recognized the Fats Henry from our previous conversations. Happy to have him now and hope you got something awesome for him.

jeff

Haven't posted anything here for a bit but have four things to share.

1890 Harvard National Champs. Photo includes Marshall Newell, 4x All-American.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/sp...=w1146-h841-no

1898 Harvard National Champs.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/EO...=w1167-h838-no

1930s Old Gold Cigarettes Ad Display piece featuring Red Grange.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/I4...G=w677-h895-no

Not technically PRE-war but close. 1943 Ohio State ink blotter showing Coach Paul Brown and a very early image of Pro Football HOFer and early African-American Pro Bill Willis.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Xb...6=w924-h334-no

jeff

Peggy Parratt question - 1905 postcard
 

Nice to be able to bring this thread back. Ive recently picked up this Case - Western Reserve postcard from thier Thanksgiving Day game in 1905. Ive read a few different accounts from researchers as to whether Parratt played in the game (last game of both teams seasons that year) or whether he was suspended earlier in the season by Case after it was learned he was playing for Shelby as a pro by an assumed name. Anyone here have any additional info on Parratt? Is he the QB for Case on the postcard? I can provide better scans via email. Thanks in advanced.

Angyale

PM me your email address and I will send you something that may clarify this, Angyale.

jeff

Thanks
 

Wow thanks for all the great posts on this thread! Just discovered and read it this morning. Congrats on all the great finds.

National
 

How was the National this year for vintage football?

As always, lots of mainstream vintage football sets / items. I found this year to be lacking in terms of pre-war items of any significance. I picked up some stuff but most of the pre-war items came from other collectors who brought things with them ... not the dealers set up on the floor.

For me this made the show a success but can't say the items brought in by dealers were that impressive from a football perspective.

jeff

That's great Jeff. I don't go to shows anymore but what you describe was the most enjoyable part for me. There is an art to nonchalantly eyeing collectors stuff as they present material to a dealer, hoping they refuse so you can respectfully request to review further. Can't be too aggressive or you are poaching from the dealer (I've seen guys get booted from shows for this). Can't be too passive or you may miss out on a great piece.

Glad the National was a success!

Vintage Univ of Penn Football
 

Hello,

I recently created an online virtual museum dedicated to the University of Pennsylvania Football teams from 1894-98. I'll continue to add to the site over the next year but it has a bunch of vintage memorabilia, photos and articles. It is very similar to my other site dedicated to Frank Hinkey and the 1890s Yale football teams. Take a look when time permits.

www.vintagepenna.com

Cheers!

Mark

Fantastic site, Mark! Thank you for putting this together. I really enjoyed looking through it at all the photos and artifacts you've collected.

jeff

Hey everyone, going to revive this thread. Would love to see if anyone has picked anything cool up in these past 4 years. Especially you, Jeff. If this gets rolling again, I’ll have a couple of things to share.

As for me, I will post a couple of my pre-war collectibles. I also have the Red Grange Yeast foam ad. One of the coolest advertisement pieces of Grange in my opinion.
https://i.imgur.com/Rd6UbHn.jpg


Also pictured is someone I’m sure most of you football historians would recognize as the person we can thank for the game of football today. 1901 Sweet Caporal Heroes of the Spanish War Teddy Roosevelt.
https://i.imgur.com/MN8lZ7G.jpg


Lastly, this is a card I’m still trying to do research on. The 1932 Bulgari Sport football card. This card has to be of someone famous. The majority of the other athletes in this set are named, so I don’t think they took a picture of some random guy kicking a ball. I’ve tried image searches to hunt down who this is but it’s been all dead ends. Does anyone know of a 1920s-1930s team that wore pinstripe jerseys? If I can figure that out I think it would be possible to narrow down who this is.
https://i.imgur.com/10xKEx4.jpg

Great items!!! I really like that Roosevelt, nice football touch.

I've never been able to determine who the football player in the 1932 Bulgarian set is. Half of me thinks this photo isn't of an American football player at all. I've never seen an American football jersey striped like that for either a college or pro team. Anybody else ever able to photo match this player?

jeff

I have thought before that maybe it wasn’t a football image too. But after comparing it to rugby images, it seems pretty likely that it’s football. Maybe it’s Canadian football though? I messaged Tim Brown over at Football Archeology and this is what he had to say about the picture.

“The stripes on the chest and sleeves on jerseys were known as stickum cloth, stickem cloth and various brand names. The cloth had stickiness and was meant to reduce fumbling, but it soon became a style statement as much as a functional issue. Although the stripes in the picture are narrower than the norm, most teams at all levels wore them, so there is little to go on to identify this team or player.”