Anyone able to tell me when this one was made. Considering the poor condition what would you value it at.
thanks

Hey guys,

I'm not very knowledgable with vintage pennants, and I'd love some help with this one. The letters are stitched, and the condition, aside from 2 pinholes, is great with great color.

Any help I could get with not only value, but ballpark year(s) it was made would be greatly appreciated!

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Late 1950s on the Dodgers. A great Dodgers Variation, but in that condition, it's worth very little. I would say $10 - $15 at best... it's just too faded and rough to be worth much more :(

In NRMT Condition, that one would be $125 - $150. I have also seen that same pennant with a "1959 NL Champs" overlay.

On Notre Dame, it's a tougher call. That embroidered, generic style spanned a few decades. Based on style and that type of thin cloth tassels, I would estimate 1940s, but there's a big potential variance on this one.

It could actually range from the 1920s - 50s. Sorry I cannot be of more help on that one. Neat pennant!

Thank you for your help; my best guess was the 40's, as well.

I see you have it in a top loader which tells me it's in the range of about 30 inches. I agree that it could be anywhere from the 1910's to the 50's, but based on the size it is most likely 1930-40's and if I had to be exact I would say 40's. Earlier versions would more likely be made longer and by the 40's most schools had gone to screened graphics. Nice pennant in great shape. As for price, I would say $75-100 would be fair given it is Notre Dame. Jason

Absolutely great information! Thank you, Jason!

NY Giants used the same "star" motif in 1954.

Pelicans Pennant
 

I'm not sure if this is a New Orleans pennant or not. If it is it could be from the 1950s, but most likely from 1977 when the team was resurrected for one season. Any ideas? Skip

1977 is much more likely on the Pelicans Pennant, given the graphics and design.

For sure....plus, it looks like that modern "felt."

Yes, the pennant I have is not the same type felt as for vintage ones. I'm agreeing that it's from the 70s. Thanks guys! Skip

WOW!!! Glad I didn't have my heart set on this. :p

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-NY-SF-G...vip=true&rt=nc

Rob, I have always been fascinated by these 3-D pennants. I thought it was strange how, a couple months ago, after not seeing any for years there were two NYY 3-Ds up at the same time on eBay, then one got pulled.

The coolest thing about them IMO is that the printing on these pennants have a felt surface, but it cracks like the screenprint.

Has anyone ever seen a 3-D pennant outside of the NY teams???

Yeah Rob, I bowed out at around $1500, but thought it was cool nonetheless.

I have seen Stanford and Illinois 3-D pennants but that is it. Not sure if Ames made them or not.

Same here... and perhaps a few more colleges, but as for the major leagues, it's only the 3 NY teams.

Would love to know where these were sold originally. Something has to explain the combination of high quality and scarcity. Maybe Macy's or FAO Schwarz (higher-end NYC Dept/Toy Stores?)

There were made by collegiate of ames. They made several 3D pennants for universities. In fact these are the only professional sports pennant I have ever seen made by collegiate of ames.
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Here is a tougher pennant.
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Here is one more that is not real common.
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Nice pennants Dan

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Mrmantle - I live in NJ now, but growing up in Columbus I became a big Bucks fan. Love the pennants. If you wish to part with any, PM me. I recall standing with Art Schlichter at the betting windows at Scioto Downs - when he was still QB :rolleyes:

Huggins and Scott has a previously unseen 3D pennant to go with the NY teams....

mr. mantle

Do you have any OSU pennants with a mascot that look like these? I been looking for a one for years. The one I have now is a little newer than the others..

Please delete that boston pennant! I was hoping nobody would see that :)

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They also have a nice 3D Yankees one up for auction :D

You know that never happens! Even on ebay, something good with terrible pictures and description still attracts attention.

You have a great group of pennants there!

No all mine are bowl game pennants.

I had to post this pennant that arrived today. This has to be the worst packing job I have ever seen. I knew the pennant was in rough condition and I wanted it as a filler so I am more amused than dismayed. However, since the seller mangled it further by packing it this way I am tempted to clean it and try to remove the ink notation and multiple stains. Has anyone ever had any success pressing, soaking or cleaning a 1970’s era pennant like this one? If so what worked and didn't work? Thanks!

Pennant
 

I have had more than 1 pennant arrive that way too. Very frustrating. I can't believe how some ebay shippers put zero effort into their packaging. The other thing that sellers notoriously pack very poorly are early cabinet photos. Despite my message to the sellers about packing them with rigid support, I have received a handful just thrown into a bubble envelope or priority mail envelope, only to have them arrive in pieces.

Mike, what a cool pennant! I absolutely love the cloth pennants from the late 60s-early 70s era, they have such a nice texture and feel to them. I've never seen that Pirates pennant before. Unfortunately, on the cloth I can't imagine that the writing can come off without serious damage.

Thanks it is one that doesn't show up on eBay terribly often. This one is the fourth bearing the 1971 Champions text that I have added to my collection. The others are more common. They are the black and white scroll versions and the Three Rivers yellow one. The black scroll version is the most attractive. Other than upgrading this one I have been looking for Steve Blass pennant. I am on the west coast so I'm limited to eBay searches.

Most of the writing did come off. The mustard yellow color is much brighter. However, a majority of the stains remain and are now more visible than ever because of that.

I have to laugh....sorry :D. I always ask sellers to ship pennants either flat or VERY loosely rolled. I hope your guy at least gave you a $2.32 First a Class rate. I have had fantastic luck with bleach :eek: on white pennants. What did you use on yours?

I am also not above ironing pennants. The old (quality wool) ones can take a hot iron. The newer crappy polyesters, I iron under a towel...otherwise, they melt!

I considered bleach but feared that it would cause the yellow to fade. I used a copious amount of spray and wash and a small amount of detergent. I washed it alone using a gentle spin cycle with cold water. I then placed it between linen and used a marble roller to remove the excess water. I used an iron to press and dry it so that it would not lose size when it dried. It was a lot of work for such an inexpensive item.:p

I'd love to see the "after." :cool:

Damn, Mike. Hopefully that will iron out - I am kind of a master of steam if you want me to give it a shot.

Often when I sell a pennant, the buyer will be anal about specifying how I pack. Now I understand why.

Rob, for what its worth here is a before and after

Scott, thanks for the offer but this one was already on life support when it arrived:p

Nice work! ;)

Wow! I'm surprised it's even brighter! Do you think it was owned by a smoker?

I'm sure you saw the Red Sox one in the current Huggins & Scott auction....

Yes Rob... first one to surface (that I'm aware of...) So much for the FAO Schwartz/NYC theory :o

Probably best to discuss in further detail- after the auction! :rolleyes:

Let see some minor league pennants! Ill get it started

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Which Tri-Cities are those?

Here's a pretty non-thrilling one:

Just picked this up the other day off Ebay. Love the vintage minor league pennants.

They're pretty hard to come by....I've been looking for a Tacoma Giants for quite some time.

Tacoma Tigers, probably from the teens. Nothing specifically marks it as a baseball pennant but I remember reading somewhere a very convincing argument why this must be a baseball pennant and not for some zoo or tourist attraction.

Tri-City=Kennewick, Pasco, and Richland

Greg , I love that Newark pennant.

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Nice pennants, Fballguy. I grew up in Ohio (1955-1977) and I have never been aware of the Cleveland Rams!

approximately 23" x 9"

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Fantastic piece Leon and the frame job is terrific:D

They started in Cleveland and spent their first 10 years there before becoming the first major professional sports team to move west.

Rob

Nashville Vols
 

Nashville Vols Large Pennant :

That's a beauty! 30" x 12"ish? I love their abbreviation for Southern. :p

Agree.... Wonderful Vols Pennant... An absolute beauty!

Vols
 

Thnx! Yes 30x12ish. The scan is not the best as the color is deep hunter green felt. I think this is late 30s era...

Unfortunately, I am almost 100% certain that pennant is a 1980s Ebbets Field Flannel repro. It isn't actually a repro since there never were originals of these. EFF made large pennants based on the BF3 mini pennant set. I have the St. Paul Saints pennant, but have seen pennants for several of the teams from the American and Southern Assoc and Intl League.

Here are three others I found on eBay. I know I have also seen a Columbus Red Birds.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Orleans-...item35e7a09218

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Birmingham-B...item35e7a09249

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Montreal-Roy...item35e7a09239

Not a good scan, but here is the BF3 mini pennant of this one.

While Red Ball did issue large pennants are premiums for Major League teams, they did not for any Minor League ones.

Thank you!
 

Thanks so much to the few folks who emailed me. I had a tiny hunch, but wasn't sure as I own a mini BF Red ball with same logo on pennant. I had a ceiling of $69 and interestingly enough the bid went about to my ceiling. Makes me even wonder if the other bidders were schilling me as well. Pennants are not in my wheelhouse of collecting, but I do own a few and I will say the vintage ones I own are not near this nice! The pin hole was a nice touch to throw the scent off. One thing that did it for me was the smell when I got the pennant. It had no smell. All my vintage stuff has "that smell!" Thanks again - I will be returning this to shipper or full refund. :)

1980's EBB Reproductions
 

I guess Ebbetts reproduced all the Southern Association from 1936-39 Red Ball : I have now seen Pelicans, Barons, and Vols with spot on same image on Large pennant. (Thnx again for sharing your knowledge!) Here are my "original" Vols pennants + Southern Association sets of Mini's (They are same image as Large reproductions):

$69 seems to be around the going rate for those....if it had been a true 1930's pennant, I think you'd have paid in the hundreds of dollars, depending on how much competition you generally have for Nashville stuff.

Kudos to Jeremy for not getting defensive and looking at it constructively. I had not had a chance to email you back when you answered me, but ironically the "smell test" is one of the things I do when evaluating a pennant like this. All of these newer reproduction pennants will have a synthetic smell instead of a natural fiber (IE: cotton) smell to them. Also, when you manipulate the fabric it responds like a synthetic instead of a pressed natural fabric like most of these were made of. If you still cannot tell, you can attempt to pull the fabric apart. The original fabric will pull apart as it is pressed material where synthetic will stretch, but not pull apart. One last thing you can check is the graphics. When you attempt to crease the graphics the vintage graphics will generally crack, whereas most reproductions will bend and not crack. These "tests" can be manipulated by a forger, but it would take significant effort. If you choose to keep the pennant it will still look nice in your collection. If you choose to get a refund, let me know if you need any help with explaining details to the seller. I think they probably knew what they had though. BTW, those other full size pennants you showed are very difficult to find. Good luck with your collection. Jason

1940's Bills Pennant
 

Recently picked up this 1940's Bills pennant from Keith at AntiqueSportsShop.com. Love the old AAFC pennants.

outstanding pennant!

Couple of Phillies minis
 

I'd like to get some info on these two minis, the approximate date and maybe who issued them.

The green pennant without the ties is 14.5 inches long with the clipped tip. The Egner guide lists it as 1950's but I suspect it's earlier than that and I recall seeing similar pennants for other teams.

The black mini is 4 inches long x 1.5 inches high probably a gum or candy premium but I haven't seen this particular design before.

Thanks!

I was going through ebay and what in the world is this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Rare-Da...p2047675.l2557

seems like a strange and unique item (collegiate of ames?)

Never seen anything like it......but it sure seems like Collegiate of Ames.

Hi, I'm new to the board. Longtime Giants fan and collector. On eBay, I go by unclebaseballmike, and have probably bought and sold from some of you guys over the years.

Long ago I wanted to create a piece that captured Bobby Thomson's moment from 1951. I found one of the "Cinderella Boys" pennants in an auction and added it to a few other elements. I hadn't seen one of these pennants before, but I didn't know it was so rare. I got lucky, it's in really nice shape. If I can figure out how to upload an image here, you'll be able to see the final result. (Because somebody will probably ask, I seem to remember the shop tucking the ties behind the pennant for framing purposes.) It's been one of my favorite Giants displays.

Mike

Awesome pennant and display Mike. Welcome to the group!

Great display and welcome to Net54!

Banner?
 

Can a woman's silk headscarf also be a banner? Is this a hobby subset? They have some great graphics... Mike

I'm fairly sure "Collegiate of Ames" was a store in Ames, Iowa that made and sold collegiate items as pennants, tee-shirts, etc.

Love the pennant and framing job! ;)
Welcome to net54!

I think its some type of book cover or something among those lines.

Mike has some great Giants stuff, based on the small sample I've seen. i have the same pennant in about 1/10th the condition. Please keep sharing, Mike! Do you still have those "things" (no spoiler alert) that are taller than you?