Yes when I told him it was bad I think he was a bit fustrated where he bought it from. Like I told him they even had age spots on the front put in , and that was a hard thing to do. That was one reason I wanted to look at it just to see... Sad but on to the next one!

Darn repros. Glad you're able to return it without hassle.

Just got these in and I'm really liking them. Would like to pick up the Robinson boys and Powell someday too if anyone has any they'd be willing to sell.

Very nice!

As much as I have warned collectors about reproductions, I have paradoxically come to learn that my two pinback books, one on baseball and one on boxing, are contributing to their occurrence. Most recently I am seeing it in boxing pins. They lift the image of a pin straight from my book, and then fashion a reproduction out of it. Through photo-editing techniques they remove surface blemishes and even correct for an original pin being somewhat off-center.

If I had to do it all over again, I would somehow try to present images of the pins in a way that decreased the likelihood that a reproduction could be created from it. When I told this to a professional photographer, I was told there are now more effective methods to overcome deterrents to altering photographic images than there are ways to impose them. The reverse of a pin is more diagnostic of its authenticity than the front. There is also no substitute for knowledge born of experience.

As a little of a follow up on the Willie Mays Pin it did take ebay to get involved in the refund as the seller after a number of emails just never replied to the refund payment. When ebay contacted me about the pin I did have to state that it was a (Fake) or reproduction made from the original. These pins are being reproduced by a person on ebay going by PINZPLUS. To his credit he does sell them as stated reproductions but it people who are now taking them and trying to pawn them off as originals. Now the original is a 2 1/4 inch in size and the one that was bought was 1 3/4 inch in size. Now that would throw up a red flag to most pin collectors but in the world of pin collecting there are different versions coming up once in awhile that do turn out to be the real thing! A case in point Thanks to a board member is this Don Mueller pin. It is 1 3/4 inch in size and with this style pin one would assume that it would be 2 1/4 inch in size. (For the record the Mueller is the real deal) But the Mays 1 3/4 pin was a reproduction. I took a chance just because on the outside chance that it was 1 3/4 inch in size. I can tell you that that mays pin was cheaply made , very thin, had a very small collet edge and really didnt look like it was vintage. Funny thing the age spots seemed to be put on before the pin was covered.. Here is a scan of the real 2 1/4 mays along side of the 1 3/4 mueller..

I'm looking for a Milw. Braves Pin that's not especially rare.... it just continually eludes me. Whenever I take a break from ebay, it's available, and whenever I'm tuned in, it's not. Anyway, it is pictured below...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1940-039-s-5...p2047675.l2557


This one sold for $14, which was pretty cheap. There is another one currently in Mears, which is priced at $100. The next bid (with the BP) would take the price over $130 (which is utterly ridiculous).

Bottom line.... I'll pay up to $70 if someone here wants to sell theirs. No ribbons/charms needed. It's typically a $25 - $40 Pin.

Thanks for indulging me :o

Picked this up last month

Hey Greg, gorgeous PM1! Where did you find that Mathewson, if you don't mind me asking?

Regards,
Brent

Real or Repo?
 

Don't think the easel back was on the original. Can anyone confirm?

here's the listing, to see the back.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-brookl...p2047675.l2557

I don't know the answer, but I see he also has three other, newer 6" Dodgers pins. The guy has some nice stuff....

in case you missed it. :(

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=211347

RIP, Paul.

I picked this one up for a whopping $3.00. Judging by the construction I feel its safe to attribute it to the 1971 team. I had not seen on of these before. When I received it today I was surprised to see the made in Canada marking on the back. Now I am curious what other Canadian versions of 1970's pins may exist. Does anyone have any information on such Canadian manufactured pins?

I'd say 1971 is a pretty safe bet. I will check my pins of a similar era and/or construction.

I checked all my likely suspects. Not a one stamped Made in Canada.

Is your pin 3.5 inches? I did notice that only the big ones seem to have that "single wall" construction.

Yes it is 3.5 inches. I have 30 pins from that era and none have the Canadian manufacturing markings.

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/y...psnay528jq.jpg

Just got these in today.

Tom C

Tom --

Those look great grouped together like that!


Greg

^^^^ those are super clean for tin lithos. Any idea why Goose has no insignia on his hat?

Who's getting hit with the ball?
 

It's been a while since I seen him:confused:
Just remembered it's Mutt from the Mutt & Jeff cartoon.
Dam i'm old!

Just picked up #4 of the 5 Giants HOF pins...Mize HF38. MK (Mike) has told me there are 40 pins total. He has 37 of the 40 and, like me, is still looking for HF39 Hoyt Wilhelm. Mike has identified 39 of the 40. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO HF36 MIGHT BE?

Even if Paul Muchinsky's values were high by a factor of two (as they often are), someone got a good deal here. I think the seller could have done better with a better description.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-LOT-...vip=true&rt=nc

Holy cow pie Batman!!!! I would have paid that for the Jackson pin alone:eek::eek:

What info I can add to your Cubs pins collection photo, a Billy Williams pin and a Fergie Jenkins pin (misspelled name), and two different pins each of Jose Cardenal and Rick Monday, same photos but each blown up on one of the pins.

This is much newer than most of the pins shown, but has anyone seen something like this one?

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81...pskwcpnm6r.jpg

I figured Steve Garvey would want to hire a "date."

;) :D

Early Packer pin
 

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=19841

From the 10/14/38 Milwaukee Journal mentioning the sale of the buttons

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=19842

From the 10/17/38 Milwaukee Journal

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=19840

^^^^ I love how you were able to find the "whole story" behind the pin!

I'm posting this primarily for Mike, the 71buc....I know Mike has ribboned examples of pins from the Pirates' 1971 playoff run...here's a very faded Giants variety a buddy brought by today. It's 2.125" diameter and the one and only I've ever seen.

Rob, that's the first time I have seen one of those as well. It is certainly similar to the Pirate version. Giants items from that playoff series certainly are hard to come by. Thanks for sharing it. Are you going to attempt to add it to your collection?

I would like to add it but my buddy is also a Giants only collector and I don't think he wants to sell. I'll never say never, though, as we do make the very occasional trade. He remembers paying 12 bucks for it. :p

Quick question guys... How off are the prices in baseball pinbacks and buttons book? These seem to be very high imo. Any insight would be great!

The cheaper ones are not far off. I believe Paul grossly exaggerated the prices of some of his rarer pins in order to make himself feel better about what he paid. I liked Paul a lot but some prices were way too high. Also, once the one crazy bidder gets what they're after, the price often drops next time around (at least with pins). I am usually the buyer in the first scenario and seller in the second. :rolleyes:

Would you consider pins in the 100-750 range accurate? When you say higher are you referring to the ones in the thousands?

The pinback book is a great resource for letting you know what's out there and the photos are nice. I don't consider it an accurate price guide at all, but I suppose the prices listed may be somewhat helpful as indicators of relative availability and scarcity.

Without really analyzing every pin and every price, I think Paul's prices got a little whacky on usually anything over about $50.... and it seemed the "multiplier" got bigger as the prices went up. e.g. he might say a $50 pin was worth $100 and a $200 pin was worth $800. Bottom line remains any pin is "worth" whatever someone is willing to pay.

That said, Paul's pinback book is a beautiful, must have book for pin collectors. In the oddball world in which I collect, no other reference book comes close. Also, please keep in my that my collecting focus makes me only an "expert" on Giants pins....and many would dispute even that!

Thanks so much Rob. I saw your Giant collection of Giant pins on this thread and its AMAZING! Very Impressive

I thought I had all versions of this pin until I picked this one up on eBay earlier today. This is the first time if have come across this version. It is 3.5" in size. Normally the Pittsburgh text and Pirates text are the same sized font and the Buc image is located in the center of the pin. On the other versions there are charms and a larger space between the 1971 and the text. As can be seen this is not the case with this pin. I have also never encountered one of these pins with the congratulations text on the banner. If anyone has an idea of what in the hell a Zum Zum is I would love to hear about it.:confused:

SWEET!!!! If you don't know what a 1971 ZUM ZUM is, who would?

Is that flattery or confirmation of my obvious lunacy? I set my snipe for this pin at $200 and won it for a whopping $20.50. If that isn't an indictment of my lack of common sense and addiction I don't know what is.;)

Ha, been there. I've set many nuclear snipes praying that I was the only idiot out there. Thankfully it hasn't bitten me in the ass too often.

I ran across this:

"What was the name of the original food vendor company at Three Rivers Stadium when it opened in 1970 - it was a strange name and they had green uniforms? Answer: Zum Zum"

Thanks that's awsome. I wonder if this was worn by vendors?

Pin
 

I had posted this in the March pickup thread as well. It is a 1904 World Champions Boston Americans Cigar Makers Blue Label Pin, the Player is Lou Creiger

Wow! This thread really needed a bump.

A few new ones...

I want to buy any of these pins!
 

Please let me know if you have any that you would sell. Thanks!

I just found my holy grail. :D

I don't have it in hand but it appears the paper and/or celluoid are a bit "wrinkled.' Has anyone ever heared a pin with a hairdryer to "relax" it?

You were very lucky that I decided to leave that one alone... And dont use the hair dryer on it it will ruin it. That coating on those is very thin!;)

Very glad to know BOTH those things! :p

Rob,

Show the Pin already! :confused:

Just kidding..... but eager to see the big score. Congrats in advance!

You won't be that thrilled. It has a condition issue....but it completes (I hope!) a set and I've been looking for it for 20+ years!

The wrinkles are not as bad as they looked in the ebay listing. :D

Congrats Rob, pin looks great! What year are those? Looks like 69-71 time frame.

Congrats Rob!

Rob -- Glad you were able to find it an add it to your collection. It's always fun looking at the photos you post of your pinbacks.

Thanks, Clint. These pins are possibly as early as 1967 and probably were made as late as 1972. I'm not sure anyone knows the exact dates of production. Paul Muchinsky and I kicked around some theories but never came up with anything definite. They are marked as made in Winona, MN (Wincraft) but are not dated.

Thought they might have a specific year. That MLB logo wasn't designed until 1968. I know they used it on uniforms in 1969. Were there other teams in this series? The Players association logo was designed in 1968 as well.

Not all have the MLB and MLBPA logos. Besides the ones pictured here and the Henderson, I also have a McCovey w/o logos. To the best of my knowledge, I now have ALL the Giants pins in this series (I hope!). I don't know of other teams with pins of this same design. Other teams (Twins and d**gers come to mind) had large team buttons like the Killebrews shown.

Ahh, got you Rob. That does make a difference.

Pin
 

Rob,

Congrats on the pin! I know it's nice picking up something that's been on the want list for years.

I know this is our baseball forum but have asked the question on the football forum with no response. Does anyone know is there is a similar PM10 football list? I have an older Tennessee pin with ribbon with a ribbon and football attached and wonder if this was just something someone put out or if there is a listing for it? Thanks and, again, pardon the intrusion.

I run across a Mel Hein NY Giants FOOTBALL PM -10 all the time when I am doing my Giants baseball searches. I'm pretty sure there must be others.

Also, Jim, I suggest you contact board member "weedene." At most times, he has a couple thousand pins on ebay, under his seller name of "seaweed."

Rob,

Thanks. Over the years I have bought a lot from him so will do that. I hadn't thought of that.

Jim

Out of curiousity, I searched eBay for "football PM-10." Results included a couple Buddy Youngs, a few Mel Heins and one YA Tittle. A similar search of baseball would bring up 100's, if not 1000's, of b&w player oins.

I had done the same thing before I posted the question but I could not find a listing for football. I have asked seeweed, thanks.

There were three NYG pins done like the Mays on the left. According to Paul Muchinsky's research , these are from 1951 (Giants win the pennant! Giants win the pennant!). What I find interesting is my Hank Thompson has three individual ribbons (of indeterminate color), my Monte Irvin has the standard red, white and blue ribbon with a bat and ball dangle and now this Mays with orange ribbon and bat.

Nice!!!

I know Scott Garner is trying to assemble a pinback collection featuring all the guys to ever throw a no-hitter. Scott, there has never been, nor do I think there will ever be, an "official" pin of Matt Cain. You may have to settle for this gem on ebay. The seller seems to move the price up and down, weekly.

Nice! I'll pass on this version. :D

Rob,
I've always loved the Mays pinback on the right since I first saw it.
A great one of the Say Hey Kid...

The SF version is even sweeter....even though it was "photoshopped" in.

Yep the SF one is much harder to get....

Damn you, Al! :D

+1:D

Brooks Robinson
 

Can anyone tell me WHY the two Brooks Robinson 50's pinbacks are so rare/scarce? Also, if there's more than two please let me know :D As a player collect I'd like to pick up one of the two one day!

I just "upgraded" a Mays PM-10 (on left). As you can see, the upgrade is far from great. In Paul Muchinsky's book, his own example is in poor condition (probably poorer than either of mine). This is odd, because most of Paul's pins are in great shape. Does anyone (maybe Al) know if this particular pin seems to be ALWAYS found with these foxing issues?

I would love to start collecting Yankees pins from the 70's and 80's. Is there anything I need to know before starting? Is there anyway to be able to tell the fakes from real pins?

Thanks!

Mike