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.804 .625 .691 .597 .648 .692 .881 (Carew) .545 .699 .703 That's the OPS of the other 2B in the AL in 1973. The average OPS was .710. 9 out of 11 were below that, with one guy 165 below that. His contemporaries sucked. |
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Maz probably shouldn't be in -- he's at the lower end of HOFers for me. But he does have 10 All-Star games and 8 Gold Gloves and he's considered among the very best fielding 2nd Basemen.
Maz was also a one-team guy and that probably inured to his benefit. The one shinning moment (his HR in the World Series) surely helped. It may have put him over the top but big moments aren't sufficient to guarantee HOF selection -Joe Carter isn't in the HOF and he hit a pretty big World Series homer too.... Maybe Carter should be in the HOF. - I recall that Joe Morgan was very unhappy when the Vet's Committee selected Maz and did something about it (Morgan was a powerful guy in Baseball and a Second Basemen) His selection led to the reconstitution of the Vets Committee. Here is an interested article about his selection and its aftermath......if someone else mentioned this already I apologize for missing it and duplicating the post....==> https://bestworst.substack.com/p/hof...az-controversy |
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The element in which WAR adjusts for a player's peers is Rpos. By that statistic, WAR gives Grich five runs in 1973. As I showed in post 161, that is perfectly normal for a second baseman. Exactly five of Grich's 78 runs above replacement in 1973 were due to his contemporaries' ability or lack thereof. Your claim that Grich has a high WAR in 1973 because his contemporaries were trash is totally false. WAR gives Grich a 8.3 WAR in 1973 because he hit very well (1973 was a pitcher's year) and because he's given a lot of credit for his fielding - which is not unreasonable, given that in 1973 he made 5 errors and led the league in assists, putouts, and double plays. By the way, if you want to see the year-by-year positional adjustments that WAR makes, this page lists the adjustments through 2017: https://www.baseball-reference.com/a...position.shtml |
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It makes no sense to compare a player to those of a different era. All we can do is compare them to those who were playing at the same time. It's not like the population all of a sudden became worse at 2nd base. There is an ebb and flow to the game, where some eras hitters reign, and some eras pitchers reign. It's still the best in the world playing, just the stats may not translate across eras. Play mental games all you want to justify why he was better than his contemporaries, but the fact will always remain, he was one of the top at his position when he played. That can't be disputed. And that's what matters. |
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I don’t think the HOF necessarily cares if you were one of the top players at your position while you played. Larry Doyle was easily the best second baseman the NL had seen up until the day he retired. He also won an MVP. He’s not in the HOF. His numbers didn’t get him there. Maybe that was the old view though. Either you were the top of the top of all players or not. I do think that has changed a bit with recent elections.
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