Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2492535)

And you clearly do not understand the legal system.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2492535)

Again, if you DEFINE innocent as not found guilty, then sure you're right, but that is completely circular.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2492535)

That the state may not be able to persuade a jury, beyond a reasonable doubt, with admissible evidence, that a defendant is guilty does not mean they did not commit the crime.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2492535)

Indeed, it is not unusual for a defendant to be found not guilty by a criminal jury but then to be found liable for the same act by a civil jury.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2492535)

I haven't set foot in Ohio in decades LOL.

Originally Posted by jingram058 (Post 2495112)

Well, I hereby eat my words. Perhaps the NFL isn't rigged after all.

Originally Posted by Balticfox (Post 2495110)

Excuse me but I understand it very well. The State bloody well better be able to PROVE its case against me or I walk. And that's the way it absolutely, positively should be. No ifs, ands or buts. But for whatever reason you don't seem to wholly embrace the principal.



What the hell? That's also the way it's defined under the law. Why are you ignoring this key detail? To me that's an all-important detail since it's there for my protection.



So bloody what? Unbelievable how you still insist on missing the point. I don't CARE if whoever/whatever did something and is not convicted. That's the price I'm willing to pay to continue living in a free society where we can't be cavalierly prosecuted and jailed by the State.

You say that you're a lawyer yet you've not heard of Blackstone's Formulation? I don't agree with Blackstone's ratio though. Rather than 10:1 it should be 100,000:1.



Yeah, well I have real problems with those civil juries. Is that how you earn your living or something? Is that why you're so intent on eroding the protections we all enjoy under our system of jurisprudence? Are you simply a Deep State fascist?

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Just an accident of geography then. If you don't unequivocally embrace the principle that a man IS innocent until and unless proven guilty in an objective court of law, you should be disbarred (if you're indeed a lawyer) wherever you practice.

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2495115)

Why are you responding now to comments from a week ago.

Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2495115)

No one else cares.

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 2491785)

She is just an example of what happened and Goodell, hell call him smart, but I prefer power hungry and money hungry saw his meal ticket = the Chiefs to make the SB, the game itself as was last years will be clean, this was all about helping the Chiefs get there by the NFL once they're there, they've done their part. SB is clean.

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 2495145)

I love it when I'm right....which is not always the case, but it was here.

So to wrap up Chiefs got help from the Refs/Goodell to get to the Super Bowl, and the game itself was clean.

Any geniuses saying this had to do with gambling or the NFL wanting the Chiefs to win another SB were just missing it.